All rhinos in Limpopo National Park have been poached

Like JBN said in so many words, its weirdly like dealing with Insurgents (our lessons from Iraq) and an economic lesson at the same time. First you identify the poachers. Now just as an example, half of the guys that poach do it because it is the best option to support their families, a quarter do it because they are in it for the evils, and a quarter for the boredom.

So you target the ones in it to support their families by encouraging economic growth either involving the animals or at least away from the animals. Economic growth that depends on the animals will turn poachers into rangers if their families benefit. This leaves to simply deal with the threat of those who are in it for far more sinister reasons that putting money in the family till.
 
So you target the ones in it to support their families by encouraging economic growth either involving the animals or at least away from the animals. Economic growth that depends on the animals will turn poachers into rangers if their families benefit.

But exactly this has already been tried on many wildlife sites, and it is obviously not enough.
It needs a concerted international action with technical equipment that is up to the technical standard the criminals are using now.
 
Now just as an example, half of the guys that poach do it because it is the best option to support their families, a quarter do it because they are in it for the evils, and a quarter for the boredom.

I don't know where you got this idea, but it's wrong: poachers are in it for the money. Period. 100% of them.

So you target the ones in it to support their families by encouraging economic growth either involving the animals or at least away from the animals. Economic growth that depends on the animals will turn poachers into rangers if their families benefit.

While this is the thinking behind many of the programs, it works for locals who hunt game for bushmeat. It doesn't work for poachers because they aren't from that area. They either come from the cities, or from areas where the wildlife has all gone. Many poachers these days are from other countries, slipping across the border at night. At best, by encouraging economic growth in the areas where the poaching is occurring, you will stimulate the locals to be vigilant for poachers, but they won't do anything to stop them because the poachers have guns and usually shoot on sight.

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Hix
 
I was just throwing examples out based on the recommendations of the Army Field Manual dealing with insurgents. Basically I am applying what was shown to work with counter insurgency to counter poaching. Well those who come for the money from other areas then you need to encourage economic growth in the areas they come from to the point staying home is worth more than the already apparent risks of poaching. We all weigh the risk/reward of a situation in our heads before we do just about anything, the key is to make those who poach see poaching as more risk than reward whatever that is.
 
That won't make any difference whatsoever - the poachers aren't the end users and will still hunt every rhino they see because they get paid by the horn. The middle men won't care if the horns are toxic, because they get paid by the horn. And so on, down the line to the merchant selling the powdered horn to the consumer. And the merchant doesn't care if it might be poisoned - they are selling it as a medicine so their ethics are questionable to start with. If the consumer dies they would attribute that to the disease.

The other point is that the end product is powdered - coating the outside of the horn with a toxin will make little difference overall.



Tusks are teeth, so get the elephants hooked on coffee - that will stain the tusks. But make sure the coffee is decaffeinated; a herd of wide-eyed, overstimulated pachyderms is not good for tourism!

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Hix

Yes good points. I am thinking 'first world' instead of 'third world'.

With regards to other posts, I don't agree with transplanting all rhinos to Queensland (or anywhere else for that matter) since there is a viable population in zoos already. I feel that rhinos belong in Africa, and conservation of those rhinos must be in situ.

Thylo, as with shark fins, I read somewhere that a fair bit of rhino horn being sold isn't actually rhino horn! It doesn't take away from the fact that hundreds of rhinos are dying every year.

Cutting off their horns doesn't work, as David pointed out, because even a few grammes of horn is worth some money, and dehorned rhinos are killed any way.

I like the idea of a farm in Queensland though. It would be a great revenue earner for us, but probably will not stop poaching in Africa, the same way that captive-bred macaws being readily available in the pet trade have not stopped wild birds from being taken in the wild.

In a region that has very little value for human life (humans are still enslaved, limbs are hacked off depending on religion/tribe/political party etc), I think it would be difficult to change attitudes towards wildlife (rhinos, elephants etc) quickly enough.

China is a lost cause for changing attitudes quickly enough, given the burgeoning (and increasingly affluent) middle class. They will change (e.g. the changing attitude of keeping dogs as pets versus eating them), but probably not quick enough.

I have not offered anything new: I have merely summarised your posts as I was off the forum for a few days. I don't think anyone has a solution, and I don't think that any one solution could work. But, we have to keep trying. :)
 
G'day Bob.

The then ARAZPA Rhino expert howled the idea down.

Any thoughts?

G'day Steve.

I guess my thoughts on the Zoo Klux Klan & similar cartels trying to control the supply of animals & opportunity is well known. As is what I believe will be the eventual result of their current actions.

My thought here is to once again define conservation. "Conservation is the things we do to preserve the things we see as valuable."

"The things we do". Conservation is a verb! It's a doing word. If we wish to be conservationists we need to do things .We can't expect everything to work but if you try lots of different options, my bet is there are some diehards who'll make some of them work, given the opportunity.

"Valuable". This may be a dirty idea to some but you can't define "conservation" without it. Value does not have to be monetary but it sure helps in the real world.

These localised extinctions may be caused by greater forces than the conservation movement can deal with, however if we get complete extinction of these species ,the cartels have a lot to answer for by keeping their monopoly.

Let the agricultural industry share the work, the risk, the costs & the profits. Why not start farming rhino's (& other species as it may be too late for the poor rhino) & return some of the profits back into measurable conservation outcomes?

Cheers Khakibob
 
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