Borth Animalarium Animals o be removed from Borth Animalarium!

zoogiraffe said:
Are you forgetting nearly every member of the keeping staff at Belfast as well just to name another,plus a few people that post on here that if there zoo`s found out they did they would lose there job as its agains`t ther contract of employment!!
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I did say 'for example'! Wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list! :rolleyes:
 
Conservoclock said:
1.Never once did i say it was under new managment. 2. Never once did i say i was a volunteer
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I seem to recall that you did indeed say that Borth was under new management, but a lot of your posts have been deleted (by you, one would assume). Why is that?
 
I guess I'm not the only one confused by Conservoclock's contradictory statements. Such as saying they are at the Animalarium "every day", but then saying "This isnt my local zoo either Its one I have been looking into after recent events. Thats about it really."; or saying it has new owners, and then saying it doesn't. Of course they have deleted almost all their own posts so only the mods can now see what was posted.....
 
for christ sakes, i never said the place had new owners, you are getting confused with when i said 'There was a missunderstanding regarding A10s on behalf of the old owners and the new owners' As in, when the current owners bought the zoo 10 years ago, the old owners also did not know about their lemurs and what documents they needed. because legislation has changed. As i have said a million times, never once did i state THE ZOO HAS BEEN SOLD TO NEW PEOPLE WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. you just do not read or you take one little thing and run as fast as you can with it.
As regards to being there everyday. I have been staying at a friends house in Borth for the past 4 weeks. I'm originaly from Ireland, my local zoo is Fota. however I am back home soon. So no its not my local zoo and yes i have been there alot. So dont give me this Contridicting bull because what i say is valid, you just take it the wrong way.

Also I am deleting comments because I am withdrawing from this conversation as its driving me insane plus the constant emails to my email account telling me some one else has stuck their ore in. Its clogging up my email.
 
Having just read through this thread (well the bits thatvare still here and the quoted bits!) it seems that the news from Borth sounds very positive. And it seems that everyone else thinks that too.

Cross wires, through lack of clarity in the original post, seems to have caused the discussion.

Like a lot of people on here I'm a fully fledged adult with an interest in zoos/conservation. I am by no means an expert, but do feel it's ok to have an opinion. Zoochat gives me a way to express that opinion with others without clogging up the valuable time of the zoos. On zoochat, they can choose to read it or not.

On the subject of whether employees should post or not. That is a zoo by zoo policy. My personal opinion is that if no posts are allowed it takes away the grey area for employees over what they can or cannot post.
 
mazfc said:
On the subject of whether employees should post or not. That is a zoo by zoo policy. My personal opinion is that if no posts are allowed it takes away the grey area for employees over what they can or cannot post.
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I see what you mean, but I can't see how there would be a grey area. Zookeepers usually know what is confidential information, and know what is common knowledge.
I mean, it has sort of put me off wanting to be a keeper (not massively, still the number one dream job atm), but I don't want to be forced to stray away from such a wonderful site where I feel that I've made a few friends. My family and friends quickly get bored of me talking about the zoo world every second of the day, and this is a place I can vent my passion for these places with people who are (hopefully) interested in what I have to say :)
 
I think it would be pretty easy to post something that represents a zoo in a 'bad' light. It's so easy to respond to a thread in the heat of the moment and if someone works for the zoo then they opinion becomes the cited opinion of the zoo.

If they cant post at all then this is avoided.

I do appreciate that only a handful people might do this
 
I suppose you have a point there, it is a shame though :).

You are right that people have to be careful what they post, it just seemed a little unfair, but I can see why it has to be :).
 
It should be easy for a keeper to post as a enthusiast, to talk about zoos and there opinions without disclosing their from a particular zoo. I'm lucky my bosses don't mind me posting infact they have encouraged me to post in the past its just a matter of common sense on what to and what not to post
 
While not particularly impressed with the cat enclosures, I do think there is an important point to be addressed here. Like the red river hogs at Edinburgh, there is a creeping control over ownership, care, and authenticity in captive animal management. There should not have to be a need to prove your innocence in demonstrating that an animal is captive-bred at a specific location. We employ customs officials to ensure CITES regulations are not broken. The application of this piece of European law is very worrying to me. Unless this leopard is a pure subspecies, I don't understand why it is even being treated as an endangered species. A DNA sample would demonstrate its mixed origins if a generic zoo leopard, and verify it had been captive-bred.
 
johnstoni said:
While not particularly impressed with the cat enclosures, I do think there is an important point to be addressed here. Like the red river hogs at Edinburgh, there is a creeping control over ownership, care, and authenticity in captive animal management. There should not have to be a need to prove your innocence in demonstrating that an animal is captive-bred at a specific location. We employ customs officials to ensure CITES regulations are not broken. The application of this piece of European law is very worrying to me. Unless this leopard is a pure subspecies, I don't understand why it is even being treated as an endangered species. A DNA sample would demonstrate its mixed origins if a generic zoo leopard, and verify it had been captive-bred.
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This sort of thing is happening all over the world.

In Australia now many laws have been secretly changed from the previous "innocent until proven guilty" form of British justice to "guilty until you prove yourself innocent" - reverse onus of proof. In some cases people have only been given 30 days to prove themselves innocent!
 
I think we need to be clear in opposing this, even when if we dislike the conditions we see animals in.

In a wider context, being presumed guilty of something and having to prove yourself innocent is one of the starting seeds of fascism. Fascism will not come in the form of skinheads and flags, in will come in the form of creeping gradualism, it will not resemble what has come before, and most people will not recognise it has arrived, just as most Germans didn't see what had occurred in their country until it was too late.

The small things are worth protesting with every bit of your energy, and when they effect your interests, such as in the zoo community, even more reason to do so.
 
Conservoclock said:
'even when if we dislike the conditions we see animals in'

This is one of the big cat enclosures for the two very old lynx, as they are so old they sleep 24/7. What is so bad about this natural looking, spacious well planted enclosure? I see no mock rock or metal cages...

http://www.zoochat.com/1065/recent-developments-185071/
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As these cat species are excellent climbers, outdoor enclosures must have a roof. Outdoor enclosures are normally made from wooden or metal posts and wire mesh. Large indoor enclosures may have one glass or Perspex wall, or windows.
All enclosures should have a smaller holding facility for the cats, to allow keepers to safely enter enclosures to clean, and to permit the veterinary treatment of the animals if necessary. This may double as the animals night-time holding quarters. As a general rule, three separate den areas should be allowed for two cats, to allow the confinement of one animal whilst still being able to use the other dens in rotation, to allow cleaning.
Any concrete or artificial flooring used should be non-slip.
For outdoor enclosures, there should be a natural dirt or planted floor covering if possible. Bark is good for the feet and absorbent.
 
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