Edinburgh Zoo are pandas popular or not

Interesting footnote to the panda business.

The Guardian reports that Edinburgh didn't know they were getting pandas. Seems very odd...

So is there any chance at all of a fluffy surprise smuggled home in Cameron's hand luggage this time? "It's nothing to do with us," a spokeswoman from ZSL London Zoo said. Edinburgh Zoo too had no information on a panda gift.

David Cameron in China: will there be a panda on his plane home? | Politics | theguardian.com

David Cameron in China: will there be a panda on his plane home?
'Panda diplomacy' was a feature of Chinese foreign relations in the past – but we may have a long wait for the next furry gift


Why can't state visits be about important stuff any more? When David Cameron flies home from China on Wednesday after a three-day tour, he will be hoping to bring with him a thick sheaf of lucrative business deals. Pah. Ted Heath came back from Beijing in 1974 with a pair of giant pandas, Ching Ching and Chia Chia, which were housed to great fanfare at London zoo. That's what I call a souvenir.

Chairman Mao's gift to Heath came two years after he had given Hsing-Hsing and Ling Ling to Richard Nixon, following the American president's own ground-breaking visit in 1972. And as cabinet papers, released in the summer under the 30-year rule, revealed, Margaret Thatcher's closest aide, cabinet secretary Robert Armstrong, urged her in 1983 to repeat the trick (though it was stressed she should ask for a fertile female, since Ching Ching had proved a disappointment in that respect).

"Panda diplomacy" became a key feature of Chinese relations with the west in the 1950s, with 23 of the critically endangered bears given as tokens of Chinese largesse to nine countries before the mid-1980s. The bears, of which as few as 1,500 may now survive in the wild, are notoriously difficult – and expensive – to house, however; London zoo was forced to appeal for public funds to help keep up with Ching Ching and Chia Chia's enormous bamboo appetite.

Britain has done rather well for pandas in the past, having been home to 14 in total since five were smuggled out of China by a Japanese-American adventurer in 1938, three of which were sold to London zoo. The cub, Ming, caused a sensation in her six years at the zoo, before dying after a fit on Boxing day 1944, an act that earned her an obituary in the Times.

There are currently thought to be 46 giant pandas living in zoos outside China, from Mexico City to Adelaide. But, since 1984, the bears are no longer given by China to grateful nations, instead being rented on 10-year leases and at highly lucrative rates of around $1m (£600,000) a year.

It was on these terms that Edinburgh zoo secured Tian Tian and Yang Guang in 2011, after a delicate five-year lobbying campaign requiring the combined star power of Alex Salmond, David Miliband and Prince Andrew.

Their arrival was announced during a state visit by then vice premier Li Keqiang in January that year. David Cameron, it should be noted by contrast, has brought as gifts for his Chinese hosts this week a copy of Charles Moore's biography of Margaret Thatcher, Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel and a framed photograph of himself and his wife Samantha. That's not even trying.

So is there any chance at all of a fluffy surprise smuggled home in Cameron's hand luggage this time? "It's nothing to do with us," a spokeswoman from ZSL London Zoo said. Edinburgh Zoo too had no information on a panda gift.

The only hope, in that case, will lie with a home-grown panda. Unhappily, however, an eagerly awaited pregnancy for Tian Tian earlier this year, achieved through artificial insemination, ended in miscarriage in October. The zoo will try again in the spring.
 
Interesting footnote to the panda business.

The Guardian reports that Edinburgh didn't know they were getting pandas. Seems very odd...



David Cameron in China: will there be a panda on his plane home? | Politics | theguardian.com

David Cameron in China: will there be a panda on his plane home?
'Panda diplomacy' was a feature of Chinese foreign relations in the past – but we may have a long wait for the next furry gift
erm, literally nowhere in that article does it say that Edinburgh didn't know they were getting pandas......
 
Would I go out of my way to see another? No, I would not, although if I'm back at Edinburgh Zoo next month I will probably have a quick look at them.

Well I was back at Edinburgh Zoo last month and was given a time to visit the pandas, however as the time approached I found myself at the top east side of the zoo and frankly couldn't be bothered to make my way down to see them.

Would much rather see Red Pandas.
 
Calm down everyone, I miss read it.

"Edinburgh Zoo too had no information on a panda gift"

Regarding now, not as I read it, prior to finding out about their current pandas.
 
Edinburgh Zoo....

Be nice if Cameron came back with a few pheasants, never mind those bear things.
 
And then London Zoo, to its huge credit, announced that they were sending him to Cincinnati and thence to Mexico City so he could be paired up with a female. At that moment he became the animal that I most wanted to see. He still didn't move much, but my appreciation of his rarity had been completely transformed.

I know that feeling exactly! If you know an animal is leaving your local Zoo, particularly if there's publicity involved, it can then become far more interesting than it ever seemed before.
 
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