Are These in Captivity? #2

Dassie rat said:
Some captive animals are kept in laboratories etc, rather than zoos. Work has been done on captive marsupial moles. Pink fairy armadillos have been kept in captivity, but often die after a few days.
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This is an excellent point, especially in regards to smaller species that may not have as much appeal from a display standpoint.

True moles and shrews are a great example. To my knowledge, there are no North American shrews of any species displayed in zoos currently and many never have been in the first place. However, every single species has been kept and bred in the lab of Ken Catania at Vanderbilt University.
 
What currently is the status of Echidna in captivity outside AUS cause at one point echidnas were sold as pets mentioned on Some other zoo chat post is that still a thing ?
 
Bluey said:
what about private ownership in this species
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Around year 2011, several batches of farmed New Guinean echidnas were legally imported from Indonesia to Czechia via an animal trader Mr. Hnizdil aka then owner of Terarium Dubeč in Prague (this place doesnt exist anymore). They were offered to anybody with enough money but they were very pricey. Some were snatched by zoos but some went into private hands. I have no idea about total numbers and how many survived till now, but I know one local private keeper had a puggle recently.
 
Jana said:
Around year 2011, several batches of farmed New Guinean echidnas were legally imported from Indonesia to Czechia via an animal trader Mr. Hnizdil aka then owner of Terarium Dubeč in Prague (this place doesnt exist anymore). They were offered to anybody with enough money but they were very pricey. Some were snatched by zoos but some went into private hands. I have no idea about total numbers and how many survived till now, but I know one local private keeper had a puggle recently.
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They probably came from that world famous Papuan echidna farm? :rolleyes:
 
Wasn’t a personal attack :) the post was meant sarcastically at first, but now I’m genuenly starting to wonder where they came from. Apparantly no-one managed to obtain more since…(or perhaps no-one tried?)
 
jwer said:
Wasn’t a personal attack :) the post was meant sarcastically at first, but now I’m genuenly starting to wonder where they came from. Apparantly no-one managed to obtain more since…(or perhaps no-one tried?)
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I´m sorry if my post came over too strongly. It was not my intention. It was actually also meant sort of sarcastic.

I did know the name of the large Jakarta-based animal trader who sold those echidnas to Czechia, but that was years ago and can´t find it anymore.

After those imports came through, CITES central office put their boot down and no more were authorised.
 
Jana said:
After those imports came through, CITES central office put their boot down and no more were authorised.
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That’s odd. I do recall seeing echidnas getting imported to Japan in the last couple of years. Maybe @Toki might know better but at least of of the brokers I saw offering echidnas has a breeding farm in Thailand. I suppose a loophole may have been used.
 
PossumRoach said:
That’s odd. I do recall seeing echidnas getting imported to Japan in the last couple of years. Maybe @Toki might know better but at least of of the brokers I saw offering echidnas has a breeding farm in Thailand. I suppose a loophole may have been used.
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Sorry, I don't know many details regarding Echidnas.
I have heard that they were imported from breeders in Thailand, and were on sale at pet shops around 2012, with prices between USD 10,000-13,000.

Here are some reports from that time:
ありんこ日記　AntRoom:珍獣ハリモグラ！
ごはんに夢中になりすぎて顔がごはんだらけのハリモグラがかわいい : 爬虫類倶楽部大宮店公式ブログ

There are currently three facilities in Japan with echidnas (Ueno, Higashiyama, and Numazu Deepsea Aquarium) but I am not sure about their origins.
 
thats interesting a common Animal in Australia is so coveted worldwide could there be a off the records way of captive breeding echidna for the pet trade? that most just are unaware of
 
Bluey said:
thats interesting a common Animal in Australia is so coveted worldwide could there be a off the records way of captive breeding echidna for the pet trade? that most just are unaware of
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Much more likely is that they are "captive-bred" rather than actually being captive-bred.
 
@Chlidonias
whats the deal with otter shrews for sale it was mentioned on the same post as the echidnas on an older zoo chat Otter shrew Scientific name does not even show up on zootierliste so how could someone have otter shrews and echidnas it makes no sense?
 
Bluey said:
thats interesting a common Animal in Australia is so coveted worldwide could there be a off the records way of captive breeding echidna for the pet trade? that most just are unaware of
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Most common Australian animals are coveted worldwide because the only place they’re common is Australia, meaning they’re rare and exotic anywhere else. However for Australian species found in New Guinea and especially the Indonesian side of New Guinea it’s much easier to get exports from Indonesia than from Australia proper. That’s how so many fly river turtles got into private hands for example.

Breeding echidnas outside their native range is difficult for reputable AZA zoos, Brookfield Zoo for example made the news recently for doing that, so I doubt there’s some wildlife trafficker successfully breeding echidnas for sale. I certainly would hope to be wrong of course but unfortunately it seems unlikely to me.
 
turkeyfox said:
Most common Australian animals are coveted worldwide because the only place they’re common is Australia, meaning they’re rare and exotic anywhere else. However for Australian species found in New Guinea and especially the Indonesian side of New Guinea it’s much easier to get exports from Indonesia than from Australia proper. That’s how so many fly river turtles got into private hands for example.

Breeding echidnas outside their native range is difficult for reputable AZA zoos, Brookfield Zoo for example made the news recently for doing that, so I doubt there’s some wildlife trafficker successfully breeding echidnas for sale. I certainly would hope to be wrong of course but unfortunately it seems unlikely to me.
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Understandable
 
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