It is easier too than in gorillas. Male Elephants of different ages associating in male groups is natural, with gorillas it isn't.
Asian Elephants in Europe 2020
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It is easier too than in gorillas. Male Elephants of different ages associating in male groups is natural, with gorillas it isn't.
The reason they are at Noah's is because they aren't needed elsewhere.
That hints at a potential other thread and perhaps slightly off-topic here.
I have long held the conviction that at a time when and where we reach the point that we need to suppress growth by culling / preventing breeding / rife contraceptive agents usage, we have reached a dead end in twentieth century animal management and husbandry. At a point, where we have exactly mastered full success in growing a population of species under considerable IUCN threat listings in the wilds. Was this not what we are striving for ..., saving species by good management in situ and ex situ.
Is it not the opportunity to go on an entirely different journey? Yes, it is not easy, has many challenges and it will require both determination on in situ and ex situ management to cooperate and drive reciprocal governments to take their responsibility for long term commitments to recovery of threatened wild species by both in situ wild to wild management, but also by transferring captive-bred stock to wild soft release schemes to augment wild populations and vice versa enabling agent for bringing in some new founders in captive stocks.
For example: The way we are going with giraffes and in particular the Nubian-Rothschildt's, reticulated and Kordofan species is not a happy one. We risk losing the ability to regrow the population in 5-10 years as the sex / age structure has become so imbalanced and with large numbers of contracepted and or neutered animals are unable to restart breeding in future. This is not an unrealistic scenario as it is happening now before our very own eyes. The entire giraffe EEP/EAZA is now in full stagnation mode with few facilities even allowed to breed (and I do fear will be unable to recover in future from the 3+ years of inaction on the breeding front and the inability to consider / unwillingness to confront to a cull of a good portion of all hybrid giraffe (as yet a considerable number and taking up valuable space that cannot be used for any of the above mentioned species).
In the days of the good old - yes, he was a Dutchman, but that is beside the point - there was an entirely different atmosphere around giraffe management and conservation breeding in Europe. Yes, one could even argue that nowadays it almost seems like the giraffe is the stripped antagonist here.
No. Her only other offspring, Tunga (2004) died in 2017 without having any offspring.
The Hedgehog
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Jangoli is still alive and well. She is one of two females at the Estepona Selwo Safari Park.
Sorry, misinformation/ a mistake over that.
Glad to hear she is still alive. Why did she leave Chester though?
The Hedgehog
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Thanks for confirming this @Jambo! I was sure all along that Jangoli is very much alive and residing in Spain. I remember Jangoli leaving Chester for Madrid and then Madrid for Estepona. I believe that Jangoli moved to Estepona with a male calf named Bubba who later contracted EEHV and tragically passed away.
Elephantelephant
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Yes, she was an adoptive mother for Buba after his mum died.
The Hedgehog
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It’s really tragic that Buba’s Mum Sammi passed away,then when his stepmother Jangoli stepped up to the role he sadly lost his one life to the tragic EEHV virus. Since Buba’s passing multiple Asian Elephant calves have survived the Virus so hopefully there is finally a cure or at least a treatment option to stop this horrific virus from taking the lives of further Elephant calves.
Sorry, misinformation/ a mistake over that.
She left in 2014. She was having issues with the recently arrived bull at the time, Aung Bo.
Actually the most recent guidelines call for zoos to house both a breeding group and a male group. There are two mayor reasons for this. First is the very obvious excess of males that is becoming more and more dire. Second however is about behavior. In the wild findings are that there is not a direct point of breaking between males and their natal herd, but rather a transitional time in which young males will spend gradually less time with the herd. At the same time, they often group up with adult males. In those years they are thus they have both contact with other bulls and their natal herd, probably learning from both. Myself I am a great fan of this system for both reasons.
Implementing this system is gonna be one of the most difficult challenges that the EEP has faced yet, as this means that any zoo with limited space or resources will need to be excluded from breeding elephants. So far we have Cologne and Emmen allready implementing this system, and Blijdorp/Rotterdam and Planckendael/Mechelen have plans to implement it. Smaller facilities could then go into housing male groups of multiple adults, and the smallest would in that case be excluded from having elephants at all as separation enclosures are needed to house multiple adult males together.
I have my doubts however that both the African and Asian will both be sustainable in this form of management, leading to a possible dropout of the African program (in which case the USA African program would become all the more important, a program that they seem to be ****ing up quite badly at the moment).
Current list of pregnant females: (as of 8/12/2020)
There are currently 8 pregnant females that we know of; three of which, are due this month. Keep in mind, these are only those that have been announced and there is a great possibility that there are many more we do not know of (thinking of Pairi Daiza here).
Sita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (sire is Luka)
Dounita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (Sire is Luka)
Soraya (Pairi Daiza) due dec 2020 (Sire is Po Chin, small possibility Chaimundi)
Angele (Budapest Zoo) due 2021? (Sire is Assam)
Duna (Rhenan Zoo) due autumn 2021 (sire is Tusker)
Nina (Le Pal) due March/April 2021 (sire is Upali)
Mingalar Oo (Emmen) due 2021? (sire is Timber)
Htoo Yin Aye (Eindhoven Zoo) due sometime in 2021 (sire is Sibu)
There are currently 8 pregnant females that we know of; three of which, are due this month. Keep in mind, these are only those that have been announced and there is a great possibility that there are many more we do not know of (thinking of Pairi Daiza here).
Sita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (sire is Luka)
Dounita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (Sire is Luka)
Soraya (Pairi Daiza) due dec 2020 (Sire is Po Chin, small possibility Chaimundi)
Angele (Budapest Zoo) due 2021? (Sire is Assam)
Duna (Rhenan Zoo) due autumn 2021 (sire is Tusker)
Nina (Le Pal) due March/April 2021 (sire is Upali)
Mingalar Oo (Emmen) due 2021? (sire is Timber)
Htoo Yin Aye (Eindhoven Zoo) due sometime in 2021 (sire is Sibu)
Duna is an African elephant.
Sire is Mekong. She is due spring 2021.
Htoo Yin Aye is due in dec 2020/Jan 2021.
A few small corrections, Duna is an African Elephant, and for Mingalar Oo, the sire is Mekong. For Soraya, the sire is confirmed Po Chin as per Pairi Daiza themselves. Angele is due in the spring of 2021. Htoo Yin Aye is also due at literally any time!
Also since I'm here, I'd figure I'll throw in my own predications as well! These are just my personal opinions, and while based on evidence, nothing is confirmed on any of these cows.
Bangka and Throng Nhi at Rotterdam, sire being Timber. I have a strong suspicion both of the girls are pregnant, and due within the next year.
Sandry at Rapperswill. Very likely she is pregnant and due in mid to late 2022, with the sire being Mekong.
Swe Zin at Emmen, due in early 2022. Sire Timber.
Tara and Noor Jahan at Black Pool, due early 2022. Sire Emmett.
Geetha at Whipsnade, due early to mid 2022. Sire Ming Jung. *Maybe* Karishma too, with the sire being Emmett and a calf due sometime in 2021, but for whatever reason I just don't get the impression she is pregnant. Hope I'm wrong on that one though!
Rani at Leipzig with a calf due in mid 2022. Sire Voi Nam.
May Tagu and Kai Mook at Plankendael, due late 2021 to early 2022. Sire Kanvar.
Koln Zoo. I don't know who, I don't know when, but someone is probably pregnant there. Sire is probably Sang Raja, or possibly Bindu.
Edit: Menno beat to me it!
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Sorry about that. I was getting the info off the Elephant Database, so I mustn’t of seen the fact that Duna is a African Elephant.
Thanks for all your corrections as well.
Is it known who has the largest captive group in Europe?
Updated Asian Elephant Pregnant cows list:
Sita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (sire is Luka)
Dounita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (Sire is Luka)
Soraya (Pairi Daiza) due dec 2020 (Sire is Po Chin)
Angele (Budapest Zoo) due march-may 2021 (Sire is Assam)
Nina (Le Pal) due March/April 2021 (sire is Upali)
Mingalar Oo (Emmen) due 2021? sire is Mekong)
Htoo Yin Aye (Eindhoven Zoo) dec 2020/jan 2021 (sire is Sibu)
Sita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (sire is Luka)
Dounita (Osnabruck Zoo) due dec 2020 (Sire is Luka)
Soraya (Pairi Daiza) due dec 2020 (Sire is Po Chin)
Angele (Budapest Zoo) due march-may 2021 (Sire is Assam)
Nina (Le Pal) due March/April 2021 (sire is Upali)
Mingalar Oo (Emmen) due 2021? sire is Mekong)
Htoo Yin Aye (Eindhoven Zoo) dec 2020/jan 2021 (sire is Sibu)
Pairi Daiza have 20 individuals, alongside one, possibly more pregnancies. See post #282 for a list of the current individuals. I believe that’s the most but there might be another i’m not aware of?
Thats a good number I assume they would have a few different breeding bulls there?. I was also wondering who now might have the largest captive group in the USA now that the Ring Ling group is to be moved?