I don't believe it has been announced publicly yet. However, last I heard it was not Osnabruck.
Asian Elephants in Europe 2020
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I don't believe it has been announced publicly yet. However, last I heard it was not Osnabruck.
This is what the article says:
Lately, Trong Nhi didn't settle for her submissive status anymore. It led to pushing each other and sleepless nights for Irma, which is simply too dangerous in her old age. Trong Nhi's mother, Douanita, was deported at the time for similar reasons, but Trong Nhi was nearing the end of her pregnancy and was unable to accompany her.
I suggest you replace the word "deported" with "transferred" which is the vocabulary for animal exchanges. BTW: It would have happened in the wilds too as Irma and Trong Nhi is not related to her, which is an issue in elephant family life (you might know given the numerous examples of how knowledge of social structures have developed within the EEP.
POST SCRIPTUM: Not to be politically correct or anything (quite frequently I go against that flow), just deported is suggestive of images of (un- ..., I deem so)lawful removal of immigrants. You only have to look in your backyard and given our current socio-economic and political climate you may find the many bad apple examples how Europe, Australia or the Americas are dealing with these.
It was a quick google translate. Later I saw that it was not quite the right word for it, but then I could no longer edit my post.
OK, thanks for explanation.
BTW: Don't you find autopilot translation also that quite annoying (I frequently get words transcribed back with replacements of what I never wrote ..., I wish they would fire the IT experts that come up with that sort of uncooperative additions to their software. A definite case of total miss versus software improvement).
Totally agree!
Pari Daiza has uploaded a video of the actual birth of Soraya's calf, and I have to say, it is a beautiful thing! It truly shows the benefits of a natural and cohesive herd structure.
Soraya has been present for an absolute bare minimum of five herd births prior to her own (her two younger siblings and 3 of her nieces/nephews), and had full support of her mother, sisters, and nieces. The group is calm (relatively speaking for a birth), acting appropriately, and most of all, what I am most impressed with, Soraya is cool as a cucumber for her birth! She immediately shows strong maternal instincts and starts gently guiding the calf to stand, removes the amniotic sack, and seems to clear the airways on the calf, while also body blocking an overly enthusiastic younger female. One would be hard pressed to ask for a better birth! (only comment, perhaps the handlers could have stepped out of the pen, but still, their interference was minimal).
It warms my heart to see how cohesive and natural births are becoming for many of the elephant herds in Europe, with herd births, allowing the animals to take the lead, and young cows showing excellent maternal skills. It's a stark contrast to the majority of the facilities in North America, where births are infrequent, tightly controlled, and often performed with the mother restrained and the new mother and calf kept separated from the herd afterwards for a variable amount of time. Such a stark, and sad, contrast.
Soraya has been present for an absolute bare minimum of five herd births prior to her own (her two younger siblings and 3 of her nieces/nephews), and had full support of her mother, sisters, and nieces. The group is calm (relatively speaking for a birth), acting appropriately, and most of all, what I am most impressed with, Soraya is cool as a cucumber for her birth! She immediately shows strong maternal instincts and starts gently guiding the calf to stand, removes the amniotic sack, and seems to clear the airways on the calf, while also body blocking an overly enthusiastic younger female. One would be hard pressed to ask for a better birth! (only comment, perhaps the handlers could have stepped out of the pen, but still, their interference was minimal).
It warms my heart to see how cohesive and natural births are becoming for many of the elephant herds in Europe, with herd births, allowing the animals to take the lead, and young cows showing excellent maternal skills. It's a stark contrast to the majority of the facilities in North America, where births are infrequent, tightly controlled, and often performed with the mother restrained and the new mother and calf kept separated from the herd afterwards for a variable amount of time. Such a stark, and sad, contrast.
I watched the birthing video too and found the whole spectacle quite impressive, including the sounds and the general excitement within the matriarchal herd. Gave me quite the goose bumps really!
@Hyak_II, you are so right. I had always believed North American zoos were very much ahead of our European counterparts, but with pachyderms (rhinos) and elephants some of the husbandry, management and research within Europe seems much more forward thinking than across the Atlantic. I cannot explain it.
(Mind you no offence intended, just a clear-headed observation on my part).
@Hyak_II, you are so right. I had always believed North American zoos were very much ahead of our European counterparts, but with pachyderms (rhinos) and elephants some of the husbandry, management and research within Europe seems much more forward thinking than across the Atlantic. I cannot explain it.
(Mind you no offence intended, just a clear-headed observation on my part).
According to the magazine from 'Vrienden van Blijdorp' (Friends of Blijdorp) they are probably moving to an American zoo. They couldn't find a place for them in Europe.
Haven't read it myself but got it from someone on a dutch/belgian zoo forum.
Elephantelephant
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If true, they could go to Washington !!! I've heard some rumors that a cow with a calf could move to Washington and a cow could be pregnant. It fits perfectly on Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh.
Seems like this is a new video from just after the calf had dropped. The first one only showed the calf from when it was beginning to stand. Wonder why they split the videos...
Interesting developments here. It could give Spike a chance to breed with some other females aside from Maharani. I would love to see the move happen but let’s wait and see.
Last night Douanita gave birth to a male calf. His name is Yaro.
Wonderful news! Despite being another bull this year, this is one I am genuinely excited about. Dounita is a wild caught founder who only has four living calves and one grand calf, with a second on the way. Luka is captive bred, but essentially a founder (only living offspring of two wild caught parents). He now has only 3 living calves, and 2 grand calves, and Yaro is his only surviving male calf at the moment.
Fingers crossed all goes will for little Yaro, and that Sita produces a healthy little cow calf in the new year
Also of note, the quick snippet of birth video Osnabruck released was both heart warming and humorous. It was a natural birth without any keepers in the enclosure, which is excellent especially for Sita, but at the same time, young bull Min Tan was present, but slept through the whole ordeal! Talk about a deep sleeper, haha.
Fingers crossed all goes will for little Yaro, and that Sita produces a healthy little cow calf in the new year
Also of note, the quick snippet of birth video Osnabruck released was both heart warming and humorous. It was a natural birth without any keepers in the enclosure, which is excellent especially for Sita, but at the same time, young bull Min Tan was present, but slept through the whole ordeal! Talk about a deep sleeper, haha.