Asian Elephants in Europe 2025

MennoPebesma said:
Pairi Daiza announced in its newsletter that 22-year-old Farina and 6-year-old Luna are pregnant. These pregnancies came as a surprise, as there was no breeding recommendation for either of them. The even bigger surprise is that the father is 7-year-old Ta Wan, who moved to Augsburg last year. He is related to both cows.
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And they already revealed earlier that Soraya was pregnant. Which means 3 cows are now pregnant at the same time in Pairi Daiza!
 
The Horse Boy said:
Are there any Asian zoos in Europe that could use a matriline bachelor group or breeding bulls to import to the US?
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There is a surplus of bachelor males, however many of them are related to the US population already, and therefore of no use to import. Even of the animals that have been imported from Europe over the past 15 odd years, literally the *only* ones that are bringing in unrelated genetics to the population are Yasmin and her son. All of the others are children or grandchildren of Alexander, who is a full sibling to Lily in Canada and Phoebe in the states.

truth be told, the US really does not need any new animals right now. They still have a number of founders that are poorly represented, and while there is more demand than there is animals, with the herpes vaccine and increased breeding frequency, the US will more than likely be able to breed to desired demand over the next decade or so, especially if facilities like white oak, Rockton and Houston end up doing herd splits. Between those three facilities alone, they could successfully yield at least six different splinter groups that could be parted out between facilities, while still retaining matriline‘s of their own.
 
Hyak_II said:
There is a surplus of bachelor males, however many of them are related to the US population already, and therefore of no use to import. Even of the animals that have been imported from Europe over the past 15 odd years, literally the *only* ones that are bringing in unrelated genetics to the population are Yasmin and her son. All of the others are children or grandchildren of Alexander, who is a full sibling to Lily in Canada and Phoebe in the states.

truth be told, the US really does not need any new animals right now. They still have a number of founders that are poorly represented, and while there is more demand than there is animals, with the herpes vaccine and increased breeding frequency, the US will more than likely be able to breed to desired demand over the next decade or so, especially if facilities like white oak, Rockton and Houston end up doing herd splits. Between those three facilities alone, they could successfully yield at least six different splinter groups that could be parted out between facilities, while still retaining matriline‘s of their own.
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I was just asking that in case Los Angeles Miami, San Antonio Dickerson Park, Albuquerque Tulsa or Miami need new animals even with LA having a short hiatus from moving Billy and Tina to Tulsa
 
Well first off, Albuquerque does not need more cows. They already have a successful breeding cow who has 15+ years of reproductive life left, and while they have absolutely had a bad run of luck, there’s no reason why they will not be able to build up their group through breeding naturally going forward.

As for the others… Houston could successfully create two splinter groups while still retaining a third group for themselves if so desired. Theres Shanti and her daughters, Tess and Tilly, and theoretically Tupelo and Winnie could be split into their own group as well.

Rockton has Lily and her five daughters, Emily and her daughter, as well as Natasha and her four daughters, and one of those daughters, opal, has two daughters of her own. They could easily be split into four groups.

White oak summers are a little bit more up in the air, but they could split into at least three different matriline‘s if they wanted.

That is a hypothetical 10 different matrilineal groups, for a total of 6 different facilities.
 
Hyak_II said:
Well first off, Albuquerque does not need more cows. They already have a successful breeding cow who has 15+ years of reproductive life left, and while they have absolutely had a bad run of luck, there’s no reason why they will not be able to build up their group through breeding naturally going forward.

As for the others… Houston could successfully create two splinter groups while still retaining a third group for themselves if so desired. Theres Shanti and her daughters, Tess and Tilly, and theoretically Tupelo and Winnie could be split into their own group as well.

Rockton has Lily and her five daughters, Emily and her daughter, as well as Natasha and her four daughters, and one of those daughters, opal, has two daughters of her own. They could easily be split into four groups.

White oak summers are a little bit more up in the air, but they could split into at least three different matriline‘s if they wanted.

That is a hypothetical 10 different matrilineal groups, for a total of 6 different facilities.
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Before you made that point, I just thought the American Asian population didn't have numerous viable breeding aged herds for matriline splits. Houston isn't really ready to split theirs though it's dire.
 
The Horse Boy said:
I just edited that post to tell y'all the reason why I talked about the American facilities on European forums. Imports are completely ok to dicuss European and NA threads.
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Editing your comments after you've been called out for being off topic is piss poor forum etiquette.
 
MennoPebesma said:
Pairi Daiza announced in its newsletter that 22-year-old Farina and 6-year-old Luna are pregnant. These pregnancies came as a surprise, as there was no breeding recommendation for either of them. The even bigger surprise is that the father is 7-year-old Ta Wan, who moved to Augsburg last year. He is related to both cows.
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Farina gave birth to a male calf on June 14th at 9.28 AM.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=4121720068113550
 
The Horse Boy said:
Whoop whoop! Their breeding legacy will go on!
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No, this one is not a whoop whoop, nor a testament to Pairi Daizas "breeding legacy". The calf is, according to the park (and as mentioned earlier in this thread) supposedly inbred, the result of Farina breeding with her, at the time, 6 year old half brother Ta Wan. There is literally zero use for an inbred bull calf out of what is an increasingly well represented lineage, this poor animal is most likely going to be relegated to spending his entire life in bachelor holding.

Of course, as others have expressed, I am also somewhat skeptical of Ta Wan being the sire. Not only was he extremely young, but Ta Wan is much smaller than Farina overall, and he is specifically very short of leg as well. I honestly don't know how he would have managed to reach her to breed short of Farina squatting down on her knees, which would likely set her too low for successful penetration anyway. But the optics of an accidental half sibling breeding are far worse than that of an accidental breeding between Po Chin (who is unrelated) and Farina, so I see no reason why the park would lie about it.

Also just for the sake of covering it for @The Horse Boy , this calf would NOT be a prospective import for North America. He is both inbred, and related to numerous animals in North America as well.
 
The Horse Boy said:
Hopefully he will get vaccinated
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The vaccine is of no help at this point. The entire point of vaccines is to build an immune response in anticipation of being exposed to the real thing. It's a bit late for that now. One can only hope he manages to pull through, and most of all, that the young cow Savani manages to survive this herpes flare up as well!!!

Truth be told, the fact that Otto and Savani were not vaccinated months ago prior to this transfer, is honestly mind boggling to me, it's really playing with fire otherwise.
 
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