Australasian Asian Elephant Population 2024

If he refuses to enter the crate there really isn't much staff can do which is a shame.

All we can really do is hope for the best and pray the extra time he is being given will eventually result in a change in his attitude towards crate training, but at the end of the day it comes down to Putra Mas.

Sending Permai earlier following these delays is the best decision. Even if it will make things more tricky overall, it goes to show how much consideration they're putting into this whole thing and each individuals welfare.

Certainly credit to Perth's keepers who are doing the best they can around the parameters they have and issues they're experiencing.

I know it sounds harsh, but there are methods that could be used to help him enter the crate, all for his own good. I really hope the training works, but if necessary, a little bit of force or trickery might be the only way to get him in. The training might get him about 75% of the way there, and the final 25% could involve a bit of forceful persuasion. Once he’s at Monarto, his quality of life will improve dramatically—he’ll have more space, large pools, and interactions with cows, calves, and younger bulls. This will be his last crate journey, so if it causes him some stress, it’s a small price to pay for the better future ahead.

His reluctance to enter the crate might be linked to past trauma from being moved forcefully when he was younger. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but bull elephants are still semi-forcefully transported in many parts of the world, so this isn’t an impossible task
 
I am not an elephant expert, however why is nobody talking about the fact that Asian Elephants in the wild live in forest / rainforest yet headed for a big open range plains style exhibit - as modern zoos we should be trying to replicate naturalistic habitats as much as possible… I have concerns that the elephants destined for Monarto have come from temperate climate zoos with large pools, lush vegetation to a dry semi-arid exhibit in South Australia. I also have concerns the UV could cause eye problems like blindness, like history has shown us in other rainforest species like Malayan tapir? Just food for thought…
 
I am not an elephant expert, however why is nobody talking about the fact that Asian Elephants in the wild live in forest / rainforest yet headed for a big open range plains style exhibit - as modern zoos we should be trying to replicate naturalistic habitats as much as possible… I have concerns that the elephants destined for Monarto have come from temperate climate zoos with large pools, lush vegetation to a dry semi-arid exhibit in South Australia. I also have concerns the UV could cause eye problems like blindness, like history has shown us in other rainforest species like Malayan tapir? Just food for thought…

Good point! While we often think of Asian elephants as rainforest animals, they’ve historically lived in a wide range of habitats, including dry savannas and arid regions. Human activity has pushed them into the most remote forests and mountains, but their original range included much drier areas. For example, larger Asian elephants used to roam places like Syria and Iraq—far hotter and drier than Monarto—and recently were also common on the dry savannas of central India.

Monarto Safari Park has designed their elephant habitat with this in mind. There will be multiple pools for bathing and plenty of shade structures to keep them cool. These elephants are naturally built for hot, sunny environments, so heat and UV exposure shouldn’t be an issue.
 
I am not an elephant expert, however why is nobody talking about the fact that Asian Elephants in the wild live in forest / rainforest yet headed for a big open range plains style exhibit - as modern zoos we should be trying to replicate naturalistic habitats as much as possible… I have concerns that the elephants destined for Monarto have come from temperate climate zoos with large pools, lush vegetation to a dry semi-arid exhibit in South Australia. I also have concerns the UV could cause eye problems like blindness, like history has shown us in other rainforest species like Malayan tapir? Just food for thought…

I wouldn't worry bro

Regarding UV, burma has been given (literally) tonnes of sand to play with and use for sunscreen and throw on herself, and obviously the elephants won't be looking into the sun to damage their eyes. The facility also has several water holes (4-5), with one being concrete lined, allowing for full submersion of multiple elephants to stay cool.

Monarto doesn't have the funds like Adelaide Zoo has, for example, to produce something for elephants on a procured level like the Bamboo Forest for the Giant Pandas which is very climate controlled, cooled, and misted. However the barn is now misted

Elephants are very resilient animals and should have a great time at Monarto. Heck they might even get some snow every 10 years or so (we have gusts from antarctica which bring small dustings)
 
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Intriguing article on Melbourne's elephants, the upcoming move to Werribee and some history too;

Three baby elephants are soon to be born at Melbourne Zoo. And a move to a new open-plains life at Werribee may be next.

Very bittersweet to know the move to Werribee was planned as far back as 2017, with Bong Su being promised his daughter (Mali) would be moved to Werribee by his keeper.

It's tragic he will never get to experience the Werribee complex, however it was obviously huge for him to experience the Trail of the Elephants complex after his previous living situation which unfortunately contributed to his many issues he faced later in his life.

On the topic of Werribee's complex, it is now edging closer to completion with all the fencing in and shades officially in place. Grass is also beginning to grow around the complex which is a nice sight to see. Barn is also virtually complete and the pool has been filled up. The visitor pathways are still being worked on however, but from what I understand late January/early Feb is now the target timeframe for the move assuming no delays.
 
Intriguing article on Melbourne's elephants, the upcoming move to Werribee and some history too;

Three baby elephants are soon to be born at Melbourne Zoo. And a move to a new open-plains life at Werribee may be next.

Very bittersweet to know the move to Werribee was planned as far back as 2017, with Bong Su being promised his daughter (Mali) would be moved to Werribee by his keeper.

It's tragic he will never get to experience the Werribee complex, however it was obviously huge for him to experience the Trail of the Elephants complex after his previous living situation which unfortunately contributed to his many issues he faced later in his life.

On the topic of Werribee's complex, it is now edging closer to completion with all the fencing in and shades officially in place. Grass is also beginning to grow around the complex which is a nice sight to see. Barn is also virtually complete and the pool has been filled up. The visitor pathways are still being worked on however, but from what I understand late January/early Feb is now the target timeframe for the move assuming no delays.
I would have to agree its a shame that Bong Su never made it to the new Werribee complex, I also believe it was a shame that He Man was only taken out to the western Plains Zoo towards the end of his life and not earlier when he was younger!
 
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I would have to agree its a shame that Bong Su never made it to the new Werribee complex, I also believe it was a shame that He Man was only taken out to the western Plains Zoo towards the end of his life and not earlier when he was younger!

That was purposely done because of the African elephants.
I asked that probably around early to mid 2000's at a keeper talk. Basically they were worried about EEHV. Which is believed to be endemic to African elephants to the point where it doesn't cause any disease of real concern. So they said back then once the africans died out they would eventually move him out there. But not before.
 
That was purposely done because of the African elephants.
I asked that probably around early to mid 2000's at a keeper talk. Basically they were worried about EEHV. Which is believed to be endemic to African elephants to the point where it doesn't cause any disease of real concern. So they said back then once the africans died out they would eventually move him out there. But not before.
Interesting to hear. Was this prior to Heman's arrival? He arrived to Dubbo in 2005.

I do wonder how this would've affected the elephants though as there were no calves at the time and all individuals (including Heman) were theoretically out of the EEHV danger zone. Perhaps back then this wasn't widely known.
 
Interesting to hear. Was this prior to Heman's arrival? He arrived to Dubbo in 2005.

I do wonder how this would've affected the elephants though as there were no calves at the time and all individuals (including Heman) were theoretically out of the EEHV danger zone. Perhaps back then this wasn't widely known.
But can elephants potentitally catch EEHV as an adult, and become a carrier of the virus?
 
But can elephants potentitally catch EEHV as an adult, and become a carrier of the virus?
Yes, an adult elephant can catch and carry EEHV and they also have a small chance of death from it. Back in 2002, the Niabi Zoo in Illinois had a 42-year-old Asian elephant who contracted and actually died from the virus.
Kathy Sh-Boom at Niabi Zoo in United States - Elephant Encyclopedia and Database
All adults are carriers of some strain of the virus, they can also catch it too, however only in very rare circumstances do they end up succumbing to the virus (as they have mostly developed the antibodies).

The EEHV transmission risk between African and Asian elephants was one of the reasons cited by Auckland Zoo in a statement at the time regarding their decision not to take on Mila the African elephant, following the closure of Franklin Zoo. This was despite Burma being a then 30 year old adult female. I will note this was one of many reasons; the biggest being Auckland Zoo prided themselves on their full contact programme, which was hugely successful throughout the decades - and one nobody could guarantee could be facilitated safely with Mila given her background/history.

Regarding Dubbo, African and Asian elephants were initially both held at Taronga; but the open of the Dubbo site represented a chance to establish a breeding herd of African elephants. With a proven bull (Congo) and multiple cows in their reproductive prime, it’s a real shame their herd never took off as some of the North American herds did around that time. A mating (we now know to be unsuccessful did eventuate) and efforts were made to track the cows cycles.

Of course, it’s all swings and roundabouts. It’s not hard to imagine the Thai imports not going ahead had Taronga had a thriving breeding herd of African elephants at Dubbo; with Heman and Burma seeing out their days at Taronga, the death of the latter not far off the decision to phase out holding elephants at Taronga - which will be finally be implemented next year.
 
Intriguing article on Melbourne's elephants, the upcoming move to Werribee and some history too;

Three baby elephants are soon to be born at Melbourne Zoo. And a move to a new open-plains life at Werribee may be next.

Very bittersweet to know the move to Werribee was planned as far back as 2017, with Bong Su being promised his daughter (Mali) would be moved to Werribee by his keeper.

It's tragic he will never get to experience the Werribee complex, however it was obviously huge for him to experience the Trail of the Elephants complex after his previous living situation which unfortunately contributed to his many issues he faced later in his life.

On the topic of Werribee's complex, it is now edging closer to completion with all the fencing in and shades officially in place. Grass is also beginning to grow around the complex which is a nice sight to see. Barn is also virtually complete and the pool has been filled up. The visitor pathways are still being worked on however, but from what I understand late January/early Feb is now the target timeframe for the move assuming no delays.

In the presentation held by Melbourne Zoo I attended earlier this month, it was evident the Thai imports (Dokkoon, Kulab and Num Oi) exhibit a fraction of the abnormal behaviours (swaying etc). that Mek Kepah does - undoubtedly acquired from her previous exhibit, which by 2003, was well and truly considered substandard and outdated.

While Trail of the Elephants will be dwarfed by the Werribee complex, it remains a good quality complex in my opinion and is impressive in that it offers the elephants variety in how they spend their day (in one paddock in the morning; in another by the afternoon). The success of this model has no doubt influenced the design of the Werribee complex which will of course replicate this on a scale only Monarto has come close to.

Bong Su was a relic of the 20th Century elephant husbandry; as were countless others who have since passed - and Mek Kepah, who is now the oldest elephant in Australia. Though it’s a shame Bong Su will never experience the wonder of the Werribee complex, I’m grateful through the combined expertise of the Melbourne staff and the Berlin team, his valuable founder genes were able to be passed on. I often think it’s a great shame the magnificent Herman was never put to use; with his passing close to the arrival of the Thai cows and the fact there was insufficient time to train him for AI, which presumably was a consideration at some point given Taronga never originally planned to import Gung.

Bong Su was trained for AI by at least 2003 and breeding from Porntip was considered a priority by Taronga, so it’s not hard to imagine the following matches had Gung not arrived (with the latter two cows perhaps delayed to accomodate AI training Heman):

Bong Su/Porntip
Heman/Pak Boon
Heman/Thong Dee
 
I often think it’s a great shame the magnificent Herman was never put to use; with his passing close to the arrival of the Thai cows and the fact there was insufficient time to train him for AI, which presumably was a consideration at some point given Taronga never originally planned to import Gung.

Bong Su was trained for AI by at least 2003 and breeding from Porntip was considered a priority by Taronga, so it’s not hard to imagine the following matches had Gung not arrived (with the latter two cows perhaps delayed to accomodate AI training Heman):

Bong Su/Porntip
Heman/Pak Boon
Heman/Thong Dee
It's interesting you've too brought this up as it's also something I considered recently.

At the time, prior to the Thai imports in 2006, the Australasian region only had eight Asian elephants (disclosing the post reproductive circus cows).

Out of those eight, three were bulls; one at Perth (Putra Mas, a then teenage bull), one at Melbourne (Bong Su, an unproven middle aged bull) and one at Taronga (Heman, an older bull also unproven).

There were also four facilities, the three aforementioned plus Auckland of whom had two cows; Kashin who was post reproductive and Burma who was in her early 20's. Auckland obviously needed a bull for their breeding program, plus a cow considering it was believed Burma was non reproductive. So the plan was to import a younger trio; Gung, Tukta and one other female who later went to Taronga (perhaps Tang Mo*), all of whom were only around six ish years of age. At the time, Auckland could've afforded to import a younger bull as they would've only had the two younger cows for breeding and they would mature around the same time as Gung.

Perth already had its four elephants; Tricia was post reproductive, however they had potentially the most likely breeding bull at the time (Putra Mas) and two young cows he was imported with just over a decade earlier (Permai and Teduh). So Perth was effectively operating beside this whole Thai import, they didn't need additional elephants for their breeding program the hope was Putra Mas would get the job done with the two cows who had just hit maturity at the time.

Taronga and Melbourne conversely were both in the same boat. Their two cows were both post reproductive, and neither bull was proven. It was believed Bong Su was infertile, and I seem to recall reading the same about Heman. Despite this, fertility tests were undertaken for both bulls and it seemed like results were positive. So consequently, with two potential bulls, they only needed cows. Three breeding cows for each facility to join the already existing pairs. Out of the six cows, three were reaching maturity (in their early teens), and the remaining three were all younger adolescents.

However, there was also the need to acknowledge that Burma may not be able to integrate with the younger cows due to her past. So Taronga had more reason to acquire two of the older cows (Porntip and Pak Boon, both closely bonded), with Melbourne receiving the other (Dokkoon) as they already had Mek Kapah. Vice versa, Melbourne would've then made the decision to select the other, younger closely bonded pair, Kulab and Num Oi with the other remaining cow (Thong Dee or Tang Mo*) left for Taronga.

This would've allowed Heman and Bong Su to have the opportunity to breed following the cows arrival; Heman with two of the cows, and Bong Su with one. Considering Heman's advanced age at the time, Taronga would've had even more reason to have priority of two of the older cows compared to Melbourne. Breeding from Heman would've needed to have been completed asap!

Of course, as we know, plans change swiftly. Tukta had aggressive tendencies and so was unfavorable for Auckland who wanted to operate under protected contact. She was offered to Taronga, of whom declined as they also would've had too many elephants to accommodate. Around the same time, Taronga made the decision to transfer Burma across to Dubbo, as it was highly unrealistic to believe she'd integrate with the younger cows. Therefore they had the space for a fourth cow, and ultimately it was one of Auckland's other cows. So without their two cows, Auckland had no reason to import Gung, and he was offered back to Taronga who decided to accept him. He was a valuable asset to the region that couldn't be lost; the two bulls at Melbourne and Taronga were both much older and unproven so Gung was always viewed as contingency for the long term. In saying that, there was no space for two bulls, so Heman had to be sent over to Dubbo too.

In my opinion, Taronga would've almost certainly used the same approach as Melbourne did with Bong Su; utilising him for AI, potentially with Taronga's older pair of cows, Porntip and Pak Boon whilst Gung matured. Tragically, he died just a month after the Thai cows arrived and he never ended up having offspring. It's wishful thinking to imagine what would've occurred if Tukta was never an aggressive cow, or at the very least if Heman passed later than he did.
 
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