Australia Zoo Australia Zoo in Trouble

Yeah, it's riveting stuff all right.

The liberties he takes with wild, suspicious bears on camera makes your hair stand on end to watch. Particularly as you know right from the start that he didn't get away with it. (You don't want to watch but you can't look away.)

So this documentary is not well known in U.K.?
 
bear groupie. seriously imagine steve irwin being camp. thats timothy treadwell.

LOL, my jaw hurt while watching that movie from all the cringing..! The director/narrator was great with his stereotypical Euro accent (like something out of the Simpsons)... From watching the movie its apparent (pretty early on when they tell his history) that the guy is as mad as a box full of monkeys... And the fact that he was allowed to do what he did, especially for as long as he did is mind boggling, why did anyone stop him..? It makes you say to yourself only in America..!

The bottom line is he was man with some serious problems and what he was doing had nothing to with protection and even less to do with conservation, all and all a pretty wasted life...
 
conservation not exploitation

zoos are now rapidly becomming centers of conservation. Australia Zoo used to be just that, but when commercial success gets in the way of what truly matters, then the message begins to get blurred. Their focus is becomming more and more to entertain guests and become theme park like, that I fear the animals will become an afterthought.
 
What is the problem?

What is the problem here? I think the earliest posts claiming tall poppy syndrome had it right!

In an interview Steve and Terri explained that they made an agreement early to take a salary from the success of the Crocodile Hunter monolith, and pour all profits back into the business - the focus of which, is conservation.

The zoo grew from maybe a hectare to what it is today. Global awareness about conservation grew. Whoever was at the helm (does it really matter?) saw the benefit of commericialising the experience - because "people only want to save the things that they love" (as Steve put it - paraphrased) - and how can they learn to love wildlife unless they experience it? The modern (Western) world is plugged in to digital media and lives in an "I want it now" fast lane. The Irwins delivered to that and have implemented numerous conservation programs, lobbied for protection of habitat, rehabilitated countless thousand native animals, built a state-of-the-art veterinary hospital and run an ambulance service for injured wildlife.

What are you people on about? Australia Zoo made a mistake - they broke the law (are not exempt from the consequences) - the real proof that they are successful in their primary goals however, is that the media pounced on it and flaunted it to the world. Has anyone questioned the media? Why do you think the media will run an article with the terms "koala" and "Australia Zoo broke the law"? Because they're spinning money out of it! But you'll sit here and take an enterprising family that has contributed an enormous effort towards conservation and say "tut tut... those nasty immigrant money-hogs... what a bad example!"

Unbelievable.

Have you ever sat down and thought about how you could finance the sort of projects this zoo/family/staff has acheived? Tall Poppy Syndrome lives on.
 
@youcantry: You make a lot of sense and I tend to agree with you, however there is a difference between tall poppy syndrome and constructive skepticism... Just because their family has achieved a lot doesn't mean we don't have the right to wonder if under the pressure she has (losing her husband and the pressure owning such an expensive assest creates) that she may vulnerable to people who are seeing dollar signs instead of conservation when they look at the zoo...

I personally don't like the idea of Terri Irwin saying the word "disneyland" in a press release about Australia Zoo... It just my opinion...
 
@NZ Jeremy - yours sounds like politely placed concern, but earlier posts in this thread were less complimentary. It seemed to me that there was an emotion of resentment (amongst other posts in this thread) that an organisation that stood for the good of conservation should now be seen as "commercial". I personally don't see how otherwise any conservation organisation is going to be effective, except to be commercial - and it's that "resentment" (of the "success" of others?) that reminds me the poppy axe is about.

Regardless of what any of us thinks - someone should really find out what percentages of profit are channelled back into conservation. Are people re-acting to a genuine decline in conservation support by that organisation? Or something else?
 
I found Steve Irwin's show not to my taste but I admired the heck out of him... Australia Zoo percentage wise had, and has, little to do with his conservation work (I believe his family spent a large amount of the money made from "Hunter" on land for protection, I think its something amazing like 36,000 acres of land worldwide) but the zoo is the focus point...

I've been there twice the first time it was basically a reptile park with a few other species, the second time it was like a mall and stadium surrounded by a zoo, I like you don't see anything wrong with this, as you said they have to pay the bills and construction costs somehow but what I do think would be sad is if it became a mall and a stadium surrounded by a zoo, surrounded by a theme park... I guess it all depends on whether she meant it..? Whether it will happen..? And what Disneyland was she referring to..? Wild animal kingdom which looks like a good zoo that happens to be owned by Disney or Disneyland as in space mountain, pirates of the carribean Disneyland..?

If its the latter I think its appropriate to question whether the pressure of her situation has changed her morales to some degree, I don't think thats tall poppy syndrome, do you..?
 
clarity

If its the latter I think its appropriate to question whether the pressure of her situation has changed her morales to some degree, I don't think thats tall poppy syndrome, do you..?

No - now we're having a civil discussion.

TPS was first mentioned with regards to the way the media chose to highlight that particular zoo's lack of compliance for the release of rehabilitated wildlife. I guess - mentioning the zoo is a money spinner for the media, but there is a choice on whether to highlight its good points or bad.

ptig came in with "The law requires permission from state government for release into another area. Simply all Australia Zoo had to do is request with explanation. How hard can that be. Do not defend doing the wrong thing as the "tall poppy syndrome". They are screwing up a lot recently."

I don't think anyone was defending the zoo's breach of law and passing it off as TPS; rather, that the media should capitalise on the breach of law - this was being perceived as TPS.

Following this, I reached "the over the top commercialisation of Australia Zoo by Terri c.s. that has obviously produced a rift with good old Bob. Terri was the financial mastermind, whilst Steve was the conservation buddy (now that he is gone and she is at the helm alone it shows - so no anti-US bias, it has to do with policy and direction). This entire selling the zoo business is exemplary for Terri's attitude/"vision"." ... "Oncemore, this is Terri's attitude/"vision" at play here".

This was followed by Jay quoting "Comments like 'What can you expect of a bloody yank, marry your way in then and then think of only the money." "Shrill harpy voiced yankie woman" "Money grubbing Yank" etc. Maybe it's just the circles I mix in but Terri was always the least popular. He may have been embarressing but 'but at least he was a true Aussie - and he had a heart of gold and really cared about the bush and stuff""

Re-reading the thread I think I misinterpreted these 2 posts. I took it that these were jelle and Jay's stances and read subsequent discussion in that light.

My apologies. It seems the contributors to this thread aren't themselves cutting down poppies - even when they acknowledge they disagree with aspects of the zoo's management.

:o

Returning to your concern: "what I do think would be sad is if it became a mall and a stadium surrounded by a zoo, surrounded by a theme park" - and Liecoboy's shared sentiment: "Their focus is becomming more and more to entertain guests and become theme park like, that I fear the animals will become an afterthought."

Imo I guess it still comes back to whether the zoo's stated goals are being met. If the goals are to promote conservation ("conservation through exciting education" comes to mind) - then we'd need to ask the question: are they capitalising on the accommodation/theme park drawcard and educating visitors about conservation? Is this education - and any other project - leading to real conservation benefits? And is the stadium, surrounded by a zoo, surrounded by a theme park, really also surrounded by solid conservation plans and projects?

We can't know at this point, but on the available evidence that has been the driving force behind the entire effort to date. Noting Terri's business sensibility doesn't negate the conservation work she was doing long before she put foot in Australia, which also stands in favour of suggesting the conservation goals will remain central.

Again, this is all opinion (mine in this case).

Lastly, the breach of laws regarding koala release was, unfortunately, tarnishing. I say "unfortunately" not to excuse the lapse, but because really - every person and organisation makes mistakes from time to time (and may or may not rightfully suffer the consequences). I don't think this mistake is indicative of a total collapse of the conservation vision however.

(Sorry for being long-winded)
 
Re-reading the thread I think I misinterpreted these 2 posts. I took it that these were jelle and Jay's stances and read subsequent discussion in that light.

My apologies. It seems the contributors to this thread aren't themselves cutting down poppies - even when they acknowledge they disagree with aspects of the zoo's management.

Thanks for that. I certainly don't agree with the comments about Terri but was merely quoting what a lot of people I know who live on the coast thought of her.
My stance is - on a personal level I don't really like the Australia Zoo as it is too circusy for my taste. I never really liked the Irwins as I thought they were way over the top. However I had a great deal of admiration for what they did/do. They put there money where their mouth is and do a lot of really great work. I hope that they continue to dos so and understand the commercial imperitives that are needed to do so. I guess as they aquire more and more exotics I will be visiting the place more often.
 
oh get over it!

lets be honest. we all appreciate any contribution to conservation and the irwin's certainly more than did their part, but you either love them or you hate them.

i'm happy to say i hated* them.

always jumping around, shouting, wrestling everything in sight, plastering their heads on billboards. discussing their sex life, crocseums, crike-offs, celebrities, political beliefs that are in start contrast to their environmental preachings, and that frikken by-jingo lingo.

its not a case of me excreting a heavy dose tall poppy syndrome, i just reckon they act like @#$%heads. and that annoyed me. so please, just as any irwin-lover thinks its unfair for us to knock em' - don't tell us we are supposed to admire them either. i find it hard to admire anyone who thinks its fun to kiss a camel.

* i use this world loosely. of course i don't hate them. i don't hate anyone. (except maybe nicole kidman... and will anderson. and meg lees for giving us the GST. and my old housemate. and that tom piotrowski from commsec...)
 
This place became known about by people in NZ because of the personality of Steve . Unfortunately he came across as being something of a noisy show off and braggart , continually raving on about how he could be killed any minute by a giant croc or venomous snake , and then pouncing on the said animal !

This is obviously how Steve Irwin and Australia Zoo have been presented to most people , and it is a style that can easily cause annoyance by large numbers of people -- especially if they have never had the chance to see Australia Zoo and balance the perception scales a little .

Some more educational input on the TV programmes and animal shows etc wouldnt have gone amiss -- instead we had to put up with the khaki crikeys !
This is not to say that Irwins were not doing a good job -- it was all this other hype that got in the way and turned Steve into a media idol ( whether he liked it or not )
Now there is no more Steve Irwin ( Crocodile Hunter ) and the zoos perception and marketing and direction has lost direction somewhat .
I bet alot of people just went to zoo to meet Steve in person ( and hoped to get his autograph ) I deliberately visited the zoo when Steve was NOT at home , and many Australians thought I was crazy .
It was a darn sight better than Alma Park , and there was a lot of new construction going on . One of the other visitors to the park asked the keeper why the wombats enclosure was so huge . A keeper told them that Steve wanted them to have alot of room . I dont quite follow the logic in this argument , but I wont complain of generous enclosure sizes at a zoo !!

I personally didnt like his style , and found it abrasive , however , I admire any Australian that tries to protect reptiles in your great country . I give Steve full credit for that .

I am not sure if it is Tall Poppies that are hitting the Irwins , or it is a backlash from the style , and a media paparazzi that hounds them because of the khaki crikey style that was/is thrashed for all it has got .....
 
Tall Poppy syndrome

It is interesting when anyone dares to question or "attack" Australia zoo or any if the Irwins they are thought to be mean spirited, jealous, or vindictive. In my opinion for a number of years it was just the opposite. Steve Irwin was forgiven almost without question by the media.

When he took his young son in with one of the crocs he got off far easier than Michael jackson for a similarly moronic act. It still sticks with me the explanation that his kids need to be "croc smart" and that his grandfather fought in WWII for freedom. Don't quite follow the logic.

Now that the media is finally starting to unravel a few things their supporters cry foul. Maybe a little scrutiny is just what the place needs.
 
In my opinion for a number of years it was just the opposite. Steve Irwin was forgiven almost without question by the media.

a good point ptig, i was thinking the same myself. australia zoo has had plenty of very supportive media coverage for decades. worth keeping that in mind...
 
Australian Story :: Father Of The Man

The consequences of the traumatic death of Steve Irwin are still unfolding in unexpected ways. Certainly the world wide fascination with the Irwin legend and with Australia Zoo is undiminished .

Bob Irwin is the father of Steve Irwin. By all accounts he's always been a very private man.

Now, at the age of 68, he's left the Zoo he started 35 years ago.

Bob Irwin's been under intense pressure to respond to recent international and domestic media speculation about a family rift.

Finally, he is telling his story…

Video available from the link above - or read the transcript: Australian Story - Father Of The Man - Transcript
 
Bob Irwin

As anticipated he did not divulge really anything about the current family issues. This was expected that he would not really slam his daughter-in-law.

All I got is that he is building a house and putting up some fencing. Sounds like a good idea at his age.
 
I agree they are show offs.
I was watching a show who said something bad about bindi (who is really annoying) and they said don't be mean to little kids and the person who said it said well if she can take her dads fame and have a show she will have to get used to it.
I always thought that Steve could have let some of those animals alone and actually give us info on them, then he started getting into other animals instead of reptiles and that killed him.
I think that because of his fame they can have any animal they want and when i went there it was more of a theme park than a zoo or wildlife park.
I never minded Steve but the rest of his family and sometimes when he was alive i think they are stupid.
 
Irwins

I will certainly give Terri credit for being a good marketing person. She keeps them in the news (good and bad).

Apparently they bought off Bob's silence for 1 million plus 95K a year. Sounds like he could of held out for more.
 
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