That decline is astonishing! losing almost half of ones collection in just 10 years in unheard of, and such a low species count is baffling for a zoo of Toronto's size and importance. Even the Minnesota zoo has more species, as I counted roughly 350 species last time I took a list back in December of 2022 (although ZTL only lists 240 ATM). I wonder what spurred Toronto to so rapidly remove nearly half of their collection?Toronto Zoo, its collections have dramatically dropped from around 500 to just 270s within the last 10 years, and the CEO said they will continue cutting the species to 200. That means the zoo keeps quitting from the SSP of several species (like Matschie's Tree Kangaroo, Clouded Leopard, Indian Rhino etc). At that time the species concentration will be pretty low for a zoo with 287 hectares, I already see the complaints about walking for long distances but just seeing a few animals on social media, since it is not safari that allows you to drive vehicles to visit (although Toronto Zoo has zoomobile, that only allows you to see few animals)
As someone who has been to all three of these zoos within the last few years, to me I feel like while I agree all are in a state of decline, Brookfield has been hit less hard than the other two, since it has the incredible collection of smaller fauna as a backup, which Detroit and Minnesota largely lack. Frankly, I don't understand why Detroit is still popular at all.I think Minnesota, Detroit and Brookfield all follow a major similarity in pattern in that all three zoos are massive campuses that have come out feeling empty as megafauna have been phased out and some exhibits and spaces left empty for long periods, leaving guests walking large distances without seeing animals, and all have suffered major losses in the last decade and a half. The former two zoos remain extremely popular on zoochat because they have some of the most world-class exhibits in the country and I don't want to underrate that, but I think there's a common theme that a feeling of emptiness is something to avoid and having visited Whipsnade and Yorkshire, it's still possible to have massive exhibits and still feel fully stocked.
Frankly, I don't understand why Detroit is still popular at all.
Detroit has some nice stuff, of course. I love ACC and PPCC as much as the next guy. I'll give you the Wolverine exhibit, that's pretty cool. But frankly the exhibits in most of the zoo are just too big. It makes the animals difficult to find - that's not good exhibitry.For starters, both the National Amphibian Conservation Center and Polk Penguin Conservation Center are absolutely incredible exhibit complexes, which can really help to boost Detroit's popularity. Beyond that, they have what is likely the greatest red panda exhibit in the United States, a very respectable reptile house (albeit not the largest), and an excellent wolverine exhibit. If it wasn't for how hard it can be to see the polar bears, Arctic Ring of Life would rank amongst the best too, and was at a minimum a really revolutionary exhibit that changed the way zoos thought about exhibiting polar bears. While yes, there are some layout issues and some wasted space, this is largely made up for by the fact the exhibits they have are by and large amongst the best of their kind- with only the great ape exhibits having serious flaws.
At the end of the day, I suspect the controversy on this site over Detroit Zoo is largely a debate over whether exhibit design or collection is the more important aspect of zoos- in the former category Detroit is amongst the best zoos in the country, in the latter category the zoo falls short (with the notable exception of amphibians).
See, my experience wasn't that the animals were difficult to find. The lions, beavers, polar bears, and a few herps (unfortunately including giant salamanders) were the only no-shows for me. The aardvarks were off-exhibit too. While no-shows can be frustrating, I don't think I've ever been to a zoo without a single no-show, and I found the number of no-show animals to be reasonable compared to the size of the collection. Perhaps I just got lucky though. Plus, it was a real treat to be able to see some of the smaller species at Detroit in really expansive habitats that zoos seldom provide.Detroit has some nice stuff, of course. I love ACC and PPCC as much as the next guy. I'll give you the Wolverine exhibit, that's pretty cool. But frankly the exhibits in most of the zoo are just too big. It makes the animals difficult to find - that's not good exhibitry.
I completely concede you know more than me as my visit to Minnesota was cancelled/delayed and I've not done Detroit yet. Though I've heard many praise Brookfield's collection for smaller species, I feel like I've heard a lot more about Detroit's reptile and amphibian exhibits and collections than Brookfield's answer to either or our birds.As someone who has been to all three of these zoos within the last few years, to me I feel like while I agree all are in a state of decline, Brookfield has been hit less hard than the other two, since it has the incredible collection of smaller fauna as a backup, which Detroit and Minnesota largely lack. Frankly, I don't understand why Detroit is still popular at all.
Honestly Detroit's reptile collection is just okay. The amphibians are where they shine and they have almost no birds.I completely concede you know more than me as my visit to Minnesota was cancelled/delayed and I've not done Detroit yet. Though I've heard many praise Brookfield's collection for smaller species, I feel like I've heard a lot more about Detroit's reptile and amphibian exhibits and collections than Brookfield's answer to either or our birds.
That's interesting to know about the birds, I'd noticed they weren't discussed much so wondered if that was my own ignorance or not. I assume Detroit's reptiles, like the rest of the zoo, are in fantastic exhibits to meet that it's a smaller collection, yeah?Honestly Detroit's reptile collection is just okay. The amphibians are where they shine and they have almost no birds.
Minnesota has a respectable bird collection but it's nearly all tropical Asian species, and very few herps.
They're not bad, but they aren't anything special.I assume Detroit's reptiles, like the rest of the zoo, are in fantastic exhibits to meet that it's a smaller collection, yeah?
Thanks for sharing this, I hadn't realised that the aviary was once two, nor that one of the aquarium tanks once held seals. I personally really liked the aviary, being impressed by its sheer vertical height and the use of the roof of the Hippo House to provide the birds with a place to perch and to save space. In general, the idea of an ungulate house equipped with an aviary to add more species into a relatively small zoo, without taking up all that much space, is one that I am very much fond of.
Thank you, that makes sense. I agree that the Hippo House Aviary is excellent. At the time of my visit, the Friesland pool did indeed hold Harbour Seals, and as fun as it was to see earless seals in an indoor pool (the water clarity was impressive), it did seem far too small for them. Would love to see the sturgeons and diving ducks upon a return visit, as they seem like a much more appropriate inhabitant and a mix of birds and fish (especially those as large as Beluga Sturgeon) could be rather interesting indeed.That's because it never was. Just a small piece that actually served rather as a vestibule to the night quarters behind the Bongo stables and has housed ibis. In fact I think it's one of Antwerp's great aviaries: it's spacious, has a lush vegetation, high-altitude nesting and sun bathing opportunities. Imo the zoo has done a great job here in converting the scarce space into a very attractive and much-needed large aviary for some larger bird species: cranes, marabous, Rüppels vulture, southern ground hornbill, etc.
Architecturally, this stylish aviary with its black steel round arches fits perfectly into this old city zoo.
And the half-empty aquarium mentioned is actually not in the Aquarium building, but in Vriesland (penguins) and was built specifically for sea otters. It temporarily housed seals. Now it houses sturgeons and diving ducks. Not the most interesting infill, agreed, but there is hardly any room for expansion and it can only house cold-weather species.
I agree with the sentiments about the Minnesota Zoo. I will say that while the variety and "excitement" of animals on display feels a bit lacking, I'm routinely very pleased by the level of care and quality of exhibits the animals receive. Compare that to the Como Zoo, which has a more "exciting" animal variety (namely they have great apes; Minnesota Zoo does not) but is in my opinion much more severely outdated facility-wise.
I recall doing a project in the mid-2010's- maybe 2015ish?- where I presented to my class the MN zoo's "ten year plan". Here's an article on the topic (proxied via 12ft to bypass a paywall). It included...
They've added... two of those things. The last two. Perhaps the least exciting of the two. They have since, of course, changed their plans and seem to be focusing a great deal more on the nature side of things, utilizing the whopping 200 acres of woodland they own but aren't using. They've made more progress on this plan already than they have the other- namely in the addition of the Treetop Trail. I unfortunately wasn't able to try it out on my last visit (my fault for breaking in sneakers- my ankles couldn't take it) but I've heard nothing but good things. There's a really big emphasis on on-site camping/cabins which I find... interesting?... and a lot of emphasis on nature-related wellness activities. Kayaking, hiking, outdoor yoga- they use the term "prescription nature" a lot.
- An Africa-themed trail with lions, giraffes, hippos, cheetahs, and rhinos
- A domed orangutan forest (with connected events center)
- Snow monkey exhibit revamp
- Sting rays and other species added to Discovery Bay
- A giraffe feeding platform
- *Tented campgrounds* within the Africa trail
- Scuba diving
- A carousel
- An "adventure play" zone
Notably there are no animals included in their brief pamphlet, at least from what I can find. Which I find very very boring. I don't go to the zoo to enjoy the woods- I go to see animals! I cannot think of any notable exciting exhibits that've been added in the last decade (beyond a llama walk-through exhibit). And not to be grim, but a lot of their flagship animals- classic zoo species, impressive species- are... dying. The last of their red pandas recently passed away. One of the three grizzly bears recently passed; the other two are I believe similar in age, although to be fair the one died of cancer. The farm area to be blunt kinda sucks now- the entry to the dairy barn is roped off so you can just stare at cows in stalls from a distance. You can't go in and pet the goats, nor can you feed them anymore. The food in the farm area is only available on weekends (a very unpleasant fact we learned last week after hiking out there for ice cream).
I love the Minnesota Zoo. Their quality of care is awesome. And they have Malayan Tapirs, which is probably 80% of what I care about. But I find myself routinely... underwhelmed... when it comes to their variety of animals and new additions.
This paragraph is long enough- more than happy to answer any questions folks might have about the Minnesota Zoo as someone who was just there on the 1st of May. I'll be at Como in a few days, so I can provide better comparisons after that.