Blackfish

Bib Fortuna said:
Agree-but there is also no way to of housing adequaltely elephants, apes, bears, big cats,seals and giraffes in captitivity. Zoos are for PEOPLE, not for animals-and don't forgrt the meaning of"Captivity"...-
the state or period of being held, imprisoned, enslaved, or confined. In the case of zoo animals, unfortunately this period is lifelong. So captivity is always negative, not only for orcas-for ALL Animals in Zoos,cirusses, at home....
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You do realise that you are posting on a website called "ZooChat" right? Because it sounds like you are very anti-captivity...
 
ZooBoyNZ said:
You do realise that you are posting on a website called "ZooChat" right? Because it sounds like you are very anti-captivity...
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He is aware.

@Bib Fortuna, while you have no obligation to indulge my curiosity, I am confused by your approach to this site. You often/regularly show genuine interest in zoos and animals in captivity with no display of anger or malice, and yet every so often it gets punctuated by comments like these where you sound like an anti-zoo activist. If you believe so strongly about captivity being necessarily negative and that all captive animals suffer, why do you participate in the culture of it?
 
Bib Fortuna said:
Agree-but there is also no way to of housing adequaltely elephants, apes, bears, big cats,seals and giraffes in captitivity. Zoos are for PEOPLE, not for animals-and don't forgrt the meaning of"Captivity"...-
the state or period of being held, imprisoned, enslaved, or confined. In the case of zoo animals, unfortunately this period is lifelong. So captivity is always negative, not only for orcas-for ALL Animals in Zoos,cirusses, at home....
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Tell that to my smug cats who treat my house as their own home and they give me the pleasure of living there!

They are free to come and go at there will.

Even the Chickens could and do often go for walk abouts (not at the moment as they are in lockdown due to Avian Flu for their own benefit).
 
Coelacanth18 said:
He is aware.

@Bib Fortuna, while you have no obligation to indulge my curiosity, I am confused by your approach to this site. You often/regularly show genuine interest in zoos and animals in captivity with no display of anger or malice, and yet every so often it gets punctuated by comments like these where you sound like an anti-zoo activist. If you believe so strongly about captivity being necessarily negative and that all captive animals suffer, why do you participate in the culture of it?
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I read that and decided not to respond to him because I assumed he was being ironic. You probably know him better than me though, since I'm relatively new here.
 
Moebelle said:
It happened quite some time ago. It was because the CCC wrongfully told the company that they couldn't expand unless they complied on never breeding the orcas again. I say it was wrongfully so because the CCC has no legal obligation regarding animal breeding or animal welfare for that matter. If seaworld expanded and kept breeding, the CCC would've come after them in court. The law is and would've been on SeaWorld's side but I seriously doubt they wanted to take the chance at dealing with another suit.
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"Wrongfully" is a matter of opinion and one reading of the relevant law. The CCC obviously believed it had the ability to regulate orcas in captivity (the question of legal obligation is entirely separate; the issue is not whether they had to regulate captive orcas but whether they could do so) and Sea World disagreed. This was the basis for the now-withdrawn lawsuit. However, until the courts ruled on the issue, any statement that the CCC acted wrongfully is inaccurate - while many may believe the CCC had no jurisdiction over Sea World's whales, in the absence of a legal decision backing that stance, one cannot say incontrovertibly that either the CCC's or Sea World's position was legally correct. Because Sea World dropped its suit, the issue will not be litigated with respect to this controversy (though I could see situations in which it would arise in the future).
 
You can now watch an investigative film about killer whales in captivity. I saw it for the first time and I recommend for those interested in cetacean breeding. It's quite old (2013), but still relevant.
 
TinoPup said:
It's not remotely "investigative". It's complete propaganda. If you feel the need to watch it, do so with this document handy.
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Took the words right out of my mouth, I was close to making nearly the exact same post. It's extremely disappointing to see people are still influenced by a film (not a documentary) that's been discredited for years.
 
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