Rotterdam Zoo Blijdorp Zoo News 2025

I do wonder how there is no Annual Report ... safe for the one they previously published in their zoo magazine (but that practice got scrapped also by the Mr. Z reign.

I think the full 2024 jaarverslag should become public any day now. It's common to publish your jaarverslag in Q1 of the following year, but I think there's a leniancy period until july 1st. The article and statements on Looopings seem to be based on the 2024 jaarverslag. Perhaps it will be uploaded for the public somewhere in the next week... If you are really interested, you can perhaps email Looopings if they are willing / able to share the document with you.
 
I do wonder how there is no Annual Report ... safe for the one they previously published in their zoo magazine (but that practice got scrapped also by the Mr. Z reign.

I think the full 2024 jaarverslag should become public any day now. It's common to publish your jaarverslag in Q1 of the following year, but I think there's a leniancy period until july 1st. The article and statements on Looopings seem to be based on the 2024 jaarverslag. Perhaps it will be uploaded for the public somewhere in the next week... If you are really interested, you can perhaps email Looopings if they are willing / able to share the document with you.
If you click on the link for the 2023 annual report, it opens the 2024 annual report. No idea why, it just does. o_O
 
If I remember correctly, Shanghai and Rotterdam are still friendly cities. Although there have been some "special" incidents in the past, there are precedents of successful cooperation between the zoos of the two cities. I think we can try to introduce animals that are relatively rare in Europe, such as the "Golden Snub-nosed monkey", to improve the situation. Star species are still very attractive to ordinary tourists. Of course, if the new management has strong confidence to introduce giant pandas... it will be a feat. But I think the Golden Snub-nosed monkey is more feasible.
 
If I remember correctly, Shanghai and Rotterdam are still friendly cities. Although there have been some "special" incidents in the past, there are precedents of successful cooperation between the zoos of the two cities. I think we can try to introduce animals that are relatively rare in Europe, such as the "Golden Snub-nosed monkey", to improve the situation. Star species are still very attractive to ordinary tourists. Of course, if the new management has strong confidence to introduce giant pandas... it will be a feat. But I think the Golden Snub-nosed monkey is more feasible.

Honestly, I both doubt it and hope not. They've got a lot of work improving the current situation before they should start importing new species. And they're already in enough financial troubles as it is, no need to add a multimillion euro panda debt to that
 
Honestly, I both doubt it and hope not. They've got a lot of work improving the current situation before they should start importing new species. And they're already in enough financial troubles as it is, no need to add a multimillion euro panda debt to that
I agree with your point of view to a certain extent, and I understand your concerns, so I say that Golden Snub-nosed monkeys are more feasible. In my opinion, giant pandas are a very expensive but very rewarding investment. There must be a reason why places like Berlin and Vienna are willing to hold pandas for a long time, so I think it depends on the courage of the new management and whether they can get support from other groups (such as the city government). I think that compared with the funding gap, how to expand cash flow is the key to solving financial problems. The constantly sluggish cash flow will continue to erode the capital reserves, making the gap bigger and bigger until the day of the "freezing point". I always think that giving up star species such as gorillas and great one-horned rhinos is a very short-sighted approach.
 
I say that Golden Snub-nosed monkeys are more feasible
I honestly don’t think China is willing to export any more snub-nosed monkeys at this point. According to Beauval communication, the species is tightly gatekept by Chinese, and any offspring born in Europe must be sent back to China.

While that's a bit beside the point, it got me thinking about other attractive species that are quiet common in Chinese zoos but completely absent in Europe, like hoolock gibbon (Shanghai has Hoolock tianxing, but Hoolock leuconedys seems to be held in more institutions) or Asian crested ibis (Nipponia nippon).
 
In my opinion, giant pandas are a very expensive but very rewarding investment. There must be a reason why places like Berlin and Vienna are willing to hold pandas for a long time

Hard disagree. It's a very expensive species to keep, needs quite a bit of space, isn't conservation-dependant, and is quite boring. The main reason that zoos have it is political, the country saying they're buddy-buddy with China. The only zoo in the Netherlands to have them is the rich-person-owned Ouwehands, the worst of the Dutch big zoos.

Big panda conservation is not needed outside of China, and China only uses the Giant panda's fame to get money from other countries that they claim is for nature conservation, but ended up being used for infrastructure and other... more unethical projects.

If there were to be imported animals, I'd MUCH rather see animals like Pangolins from Taipei or Singapore, Brazilian mergansers from Itaiba, or Crested ibises from Tokyo

I think that compared with the funding gap, how to expand cash flow is the key to solving financial problems. The constantly sluggish cash flow will continue to erode the capital reserves, making the gap bigger and bigger until the day of the "freezing point".

I don't think income is the biggest issue, it's the malmanagement as of late. Projects that broke down far too quickly, constant new promises of designs that never come to fruition, letter older builds stagnate and break down over time, and rarely building anything to last (both physically and conceptually). They also tend to alienate their audience by, for example, only serving vegan food and constantly talking about it like that's an amazing development, rather than greenwashing and making things more difficult for people with allergies.

I always think that giving up star species such as gorillas and great one-horned rhinos is a very short-sighted approach.

On this we do agree, sacrificing great things like the giant Asian aviary, the Indian rhinos and the gorillas for an elephant upgrade that isn't all that needed is an extremely strange choice, especially since there are other animals and exhibits much more in need of an upgrade (Pygmy hippos, black rhinos, Vicunas, the victoria conservatory, etc)
 
I honestly don’t think China is willing to export any more snub-nosed monkeys at this point. According to Beauval communication, the species is tightly gatekept by Chinese, and any offspring born in Europe must be sent back to China.

While that's a bit beside the point, it got me thinking about other attractive species that are quiet common in Chinese zoos but completely absent in Europe, like hoolock gibbon (Shanghai has Hoolock tianxing, but Hoolock leuconedys seems to be held in more institutions) or Asian crested ibis (Nipponia nippon).
To be honest, the situation is much better now than ten years ago, when the Chinese government did not allow snub-nosed monkeys to appear in zoos in other countries. Japan and South Korea were the few successful cases at that time. Eastern hoolock gibbons are kept in large numbers in Chinese zoos. As for Asian crested ibis, they were only kept in very few zoos in the past, but their number in Chinese zoos has continued to increase in recent years, thanks to successful breeding programs.
 
Hard disagree. It's a very expensive species to keep, needs quite a bit of space, isn't conservation-dependant, and is quite boring. The main reason that zoos have it is political, the country saying they're buddy-buddy with China. The only zoo in the Netherlands to have them is the rich-person-owned Ouwehands, the worst of the Dutch big zoos.

Big panda conservation is not needed outside of China, and China only uses the Giant panda's fame to get money from other countries that they claim is for nature conservation, but ended up being used for infrastructure and other... more unethical projects.

If there were to be imported animals, I'd MUCH rather see animals like Pangolins from Taipei or Singapore, Brazilian mergansers from Itaiba, or Crested ibises from Tokyo



I don't think income is the biggest issue, it's the malmanagement as of late. Projects that broke down far too quickly, constant new promises of designs that never come to fruition, letter older builds stagnate and break down over time, and rarely building anything to last (both physically and conceptually). They also tend to alienate their audience by, for example, only serving vegan food and constantly talking about it like that's an amazing development, rather than greenwashing and making things more difficult for people with allergies.



On this we do agree, sacrificing great things like the giant Asian aviary, the Indian rhinos and the gorillas for an elephant upgrade that isn't all that needed is an extremely strange choice, especially since there are other animals and exhibits much more in need of an upgrade (Pygmy hippos, black rhinos, Vicunas, the victoria conservatory, etc)

I originally thought that this was a community of zoo lovers, away from the murky international politics of recent years, but it seems that I am still childish, which is not something that people of my age should be.
Okay, I know where you said that the Chinese government used the money from pandas for infrastructure construction. I originally thought that any mature adult would not take this illogical report seriously, but now it seems that many people believe it.
Let me briefly explain that the annual rent of a panda is about 500,000 to 1 million US dollars. There are currently about 50-60 pandas living in non-Chinese areas. I will take the maximum value, which is that the Chinese government can earn 60 million US dollars from it every year. 60 million US dollars is a lot of money for an individual, but the question is what is this money for China? A country with 9.6 million square kilometers, 1.4 billion people, and the longest flight route takes 6.5 hours. What can 60 million US dollars do? China has the world's longest high-speed railway network, and the cost per kilometer is about 24 million US dollars, which means that all the money combined cannot build 3 kilometers of high-speed railway.
So, can anyone tell me, what is 60 million dollars for China? Does it need this money to build infrastructure?
Whenever I see some media articles without logic, I feel really sad. Some people blatantly deceive ordinary people for some purposes. Sometimes, China is the most evil country in the world, so powerful that it must force the people of some countries to pay more taxes to expand its military. Then sometimes, China is so poor that it needs to rent dozens of pandas to build infrastructure. What I want to know is, how many Chinas are there in the world?
In that report, a zoo director who couldn't afford the rent for pandas was complaining about something, and then the author of the report said "he has reliable information that China uses the rent for pandas for infrastructure." This is really ridiculous. I can also say that I have reliable information that there are many humanoid creatures on Pluto. Anyway, I don't need to prove whether the source of my information is reliable or whether there is circumstantial evidence.
Finally, the two parties who rented pandas were completely voluntary. China did not drive warships to the territorial waters of other countries like some countries in the world, and then bombarded them and forced them to buy their products. And China has not forced ordinary people around the world to like this animal, right?
Another point, all the Crested Ibis in Japan come from China, understand? The Crested Ibis that bred in Japan became extinct in 2003. Currently, all the Crested Ibis in the world are descendants of the 7 Crested Ibis found in Yangxian County, Shaanxi Province, China, all from China, and these are the results of China's rescue work for the animal. The cooperation between China and Japan on the Crested Ibis project also proves how ridiculous those illogical reports are. Obviously, the cooperation between different countries has done a lot of right things, but those media with ulterior motives just turn a blind eye.
I understand the care and love for animals, but I think we can't easily believe what the media says. Over the years, they have deceived ordinary people too many times. China currently has a visa-free policy for many countries. If you still have doubts about whether China needs the funds for a few animals to build infrastructure, I think you can go to China to take a look. The cost is definitely lower than the cost of traveling in most European countries.
 
I honestly don’t think China is willing to export any more snub-nosed monkeys at this point. According to Beauval communication, the species is tightly gatekept by Chinese, and any offspring born in Europe must be sent back to China.

While that's a bit beside the point, it got me thinking about other attractive species that are quiet common in Chinese zoos but completely absent in Europe, like hoolock gibbon (Shanghai has Hoolock tianxing, but Hoolock leuconedys seems to be held in more institutions) or Asian crested ibis (Nipponia nippon).

China strictly controls the export of golden Snub-nosed monkeys, but strict control does not mean that they cannot be obtained, but that they will not export such animals casually. I understand why Beauval Zoo promotes itself in this way. After all, it is a way to show its strong strength. If you want to give an example, it may be like kiwis and Tasmanian devils. Their export is very strict, but not impossible. As far as I know, three European zoos will get the golden Snub-nosed monkey. We already know the first two, and now we have to see who the third one will be. Frankly speaking, dealing with the Chinese government is not that difficult. Unless some people ignore the interests of the zoo itself and insist on expressing their own political demands, linking a simple thing with something else.
 
I hate to be 'that person' but a zoo that is in financial trouble will not acquire a rarity at all. To stay afloat they will have to focus on upgrading current exhibits, maintain the park and cut-out any luxuries that are not needed by guests.

An easy cut they could make is mainstreaming their restaurant foods. Too many variety right now is not bad, but financially it is painful.
 
On this we do agree, sacrificing great things like the giant Asian aviary, the Indian rhinos and the gorillas for an elephant upgrade that isn't all that needed is an extremely strange choice, especially since there are other animals and exhibits much more in need of an upgrade (Pygmy hippos, black rhinos, Vicunas, the victoria conservatory, etc)

I agree with you here. Blijdorp needs to get their basics back in order first. I'd love to see an elephant enclosure like Wildland's one everywhere, but it's mostly a long term plan in any zoo that doesn't start with a blank canvas. Totally removing more than one public favourite species for a plan like this seems like a strategically weird plan, because it will cause regular tourists to skip your zoo.

In addition to that, us zoo fanatics will come in for interesting newities. They don't need to be big or space eating. I was really excited about the gelada monkeys coming to Blijdorp some years ago. A good new mixed bird enclosure would perhaps lure me over... you know, like the asian aviary that was one of my favourites in the Netherlands ;)
 
I originally thought that this was a community of zoo lovers, away from the murky international politics of recent years, but it seems that I am still childish, which is not something that people of my age should be.
Okay, I know where you said that the Chinese government used the money from pandas for infrastructure construction. I originally thought that any mature adult would not take this illogical report seriously, but now it seems that many people believe it.
Let me briefly explain that the annual rent of a panda is about 500,000 to 1 million US dollars. There are currently about 50-60 pandas living in non-Chinese areas. I will take the maximum value, which is that the Chinese government can earn 60 million US dollars from it every year. 60 million US dollars is a lot of money for an individual, but the question is what is this money for China? A country with 9.6 million square kilometers, 1.4 billion people, and the longest flight route takes 6.5 hours. What can 60 million US dollars do? China has the world's longest high-speed railway network, and the cost per kilometer is about 24 million US dollars, which means that all the money combined cannot build 3 kilometers of high-speed railway.
So, can anyone tell me, what is 60 million dollars for China? Does it need this money to build infrastructure?
Whenever I see some media articles without logic, I feel really sad. Some people blatantly deceive ordinary people for some purposes. Sometimes, China is the most evil country in the world, so powerful that it must force the people of some countries to pay more taxes to expand its military. Then sometimes, China is so poor that it needs to rent dozens of pandas to build infrastructure. What I want to know is, how many Chinas are there in the world?
In that report, a zoo director who couldn't afford the rent for pandas was complaining about something, and then the author of the report said "he has reliable information that China uses the rent for pandas for infrastructure." This is really ridiculous. I can also say that I have reliable information that there are many humanoid creatures on Pluto. Anyway, I don't need to prove whether the source of my information is reliable or whether there is circumstantial evidence.
Finally, the two parties who rented pandas were completely voluntary. China did not drive warships to the territorial waters of other countries like some countries in the world, and then bombarded them and forced them to buy their products. And China has not forced ordinary people around the world to like this animal, right?
Another point, all the Crested Ibis in Japan come from China, understand? The Crested Ibis that bred in Japan became extinct in 2003. Currently, all the Crested Ibis in the world are descendants of the 7 Crested Ibis found in Yangxian County, Shaanxi Province, China, all from China, and these are the results of China's rescue work for the animal. The cooperation between China and Japan on the Crested Ibis project also proves how ridiculous those illogical reports are. Obviously, the cooperation between different countries has done a lot of right things, but those media with ulterior motives just turn a blind eye.
I understand the care and love for animals, but I think we can't easily believe what the media says. Over the years, they have deceived ordinary people too many times. China currently has a visa-free policy for many countries. If you still have doubts about whether China needs the funds for a few animals to build infrastructure, I think you can go to China to take a look. The cost is definitely lower than the cost of traveling in most European countries.
@cooper_yang@7, Thank You for putting this discourse so succinctly and eloquently. I fully agree how and why all the giant panda loan talk is just a passe arguement and one that holds little if any water and even less substance. I have at times been flabbergasted, dismayed and deeply frustrated at the people that subscribe to the no panda loans ... rationale. I do believe courtesy and respect can only be mutual if people left this talk at the door and not let it in on Zoochat. Once again ... thank you very much!


China strictly controls the export of golden Snub-nosed monkeys, but strict control does not mean that they cannot be obtained, but that they will not export such animals casually. I understand why Beauval Zoo promotes itself in this way. After all, it is a way to show its strong strength. If you want to give an example, it may be like kiwis and Tasmanian devils. Their export is very strict, but not impossible. As far as I know, three European zoos will get the golden Snub-nosed monkey. We already know the first two, and now we have to see who the third one will be. Frankly speaking, dealing with the Chinese government is not that difficult. Unless some people ignore the interests of the zoo itself and insist on expressing their own political demands, linking a simple thing with something else.
I agree that the China Zoo and Wildlife Association only enters into breeding loans with overseas zoos for snub-nosed monkeys if they can guarantee good care, animal welfare and husbandry of these fascinating, beautiful iconic primates of PR of China. Plus there is a lot more about zoos and inter zoo cooperation between zoos globally and zoos in PR of China that meet Joe Average eyes'.

What is true of the snub-nosed monkeys is how PR of China does administer its ex situ conservation breeding programs very carefully and given the highly specialised husbandry required for snub-nosed monkeys ... the species managers and coördinators are very careful which overseas zoos are allowed to participate in their ex situ breeding programs. Which is in my humble opinion ... absolutely a good thing.

I think ... I already do know which is the 3rd zoo that will be allowed to exhibit the species overseas....!
 
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@cooper_yang@7 @Kifaru Bwana While I do agree to some extent with both of you that:
  • cooperation should be the heart of nature conservation;
  • 60m US$ does not sound that much when compared to other financial operations of mainland China;
  • Chinese zoos do seem to have very good breeding programs for certain species and an association with increasing standards.
However while it is the unfortunate reality that politics get in the way of discussions it is because some of them are at the very base of nature preservation and management and thus influence one's opinion on who is in power.

It also seems that mainland China is not that quick to forget and bury the War Axe when met with disagreement, I'd like to bring an example by Jana posted on another thread, coincidentally about panda diplomacy:
Prague zoo is 100% owned by City Prague. And while the zoo director Bobek was wery interested in pandas and wanted to get them at any cost, but the then mayor of the City, when asked by Chinese ambassador to sign the "One China policy", refused to do so. The mayor was a young man whose original profession was a doctor. And during his studies of medicine he did uni exchange and spent some time in Taiwan. He thus had some understanding of modern China history and relationship between mainland government and Taiwan. And he just couldnt sign a document to de facto condoning possible future military invasion of Taiwan. China has retaliated immediatelly - visa of Czech people who wanted to do cultural events in China got cancelled (musicians etc.), also bussiness deals of firms Prague-seated got cancelled, Chinese customs started to boycott and refuse to let through Czech goods on border and many more. Possible panda deal was one of the casualties.
I'll give you both the benefit of the doubt because I can not be bothered to find what is 100% unfiltered truth and what propaganda-fueled reports on both sides, but it's not the first time I've heard of retaliation and unwillingness to transparency.

P.S. sorry for the somewhat off-topic reply.
 
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