British Isles Cup Group B: Jersey vs Paignton et al
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Paignton/Newquay/Living coasts primates:
Bearded emperor tamarin
Black and gold howler monkey
Black and white ruffed lemur
Bornean orangutan
Callimico
Collared mangabey
Colombian brown spider monkey
Common squirrel monkey
Cottontop tamarin
Crested black macaque
Crowned lemur
Diana monkey
Geoffroy's marmoset
Hamadryas baboon
King colobus
Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur
Malayan white-handed gibbon
Mandrill
Northern dry zone slender loris
Pied tamarin
Pileated gibbon
Pygmy marmoset
Pygmy slow loris
Red ruffed lemur
Red-fronted lemur
Ring-tailed lemur
Red titi
Western lowland gorilla
White-faced saki
White-faced capuchin
Yellow-breasted capuchin
Jersey primates:
Aye-aye
Bearded emperor tamarin
Black and gold howler monkey
Black and white ruffed lemur
Crested black macaque
Golden lion tamarin
Golden-rumped lion tamarin
Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur
Lar gibbon
Pied tamarin
Red ruffed lemur
Red-fronted lemur
Ring tailed lemur
Silvery marmoset
Sumatran orangutan
Western lowland gorilla
Interestingly, if one were to cancel out all duplicates:
Bearded emperor tamarin
Black and gold howler monkey
Black and white ruffed lemur
Bornean orangutan
Callimico
Collared mangabey
Colombian brown spider monkey
Common squirrel monkey
Cottontop tamarin
Crested black macaque
Crowned lemur
Diana monkey
Geoffroy's marmoset
Hamadryas baboon
King colobus
Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur
Malayan white-handed gibbon
Mandrill
Northern dry zone slender loris
Pied tamarin
Pileated gibbon
Pygmy marmoset
Pygmy slow loris
Red ruffed lemur
Red-fronted lemur
Ring-tailed lemur
Red titi
Western lowland gorilla
White-faced saki
White-faced capuchin
Yellow-breasted capuchin
Jersey primates:
Aye-aye
Bearded emperor tamarin
Black and gold howler monkey
Black and white ruffed lemur
Crested black macaque
Golden lion tamarin
Golden-rumped lion tamarin
Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur
Lar gibbon
Pied tamarin
Red ruffed lemur
Red-fronted lemur
Ring tailed lemur
Silvery marmoset
Sumatran orangutan
Western lowland gorilla
Interestingly, if one were to cancel out all duplicates:
Paignton/Newquay/Living coasts primates:
Callimico
Collared mangabey
Colombian brown spider monkey
Common squirrel monkey
Cottontop tamarin
Crowned lemur
Diana monkey
Geoffroy's marmoset
Hamadryas baboon
King colobus
Mandrill
Northern dry zone slender loris
Pileated gibbon
Pygmy marmoset
Pygmy slow loris
Red titi
White-faced saki
White-faced capuchin
Yellow-breasted capuchin
Jersey primates:
Aye-aye
Golden lion tamarin
Golden-rumped lion tamarin
Silvery marmoset
Anyways, Paignton and co win 33-16 in terms of species, and 21-4 if one cancels out duplicates.
Callimico
Collared mangabey
Colombian brown spider monkey
Common squirrel monkey
Cottontop tamarin
Crowned lemur
Diana monkey
Geoffroy's marmoset
Hamadryas baboon
King colobus
Mandrill
Northern dry zone slender loris
Pileated gibbon
Pygmy marmoset
Pygmy slow loris
Red titi
White-faced saki
White-faced capuchin
Yellow-breasted capuchin
Jersey primates:
Aye-aye
Golden lion tamarin
Golden-rumped lion tamarin
Silvery marmoset
Anyways, Paignton and co win 33-16 in terms of species, and 21-4 if one cancels out duplicates.
Jersey
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Orang-utan house interior
Orang-utan and White Handed Gibbon outdoor exhibit
Gorilla outdoor enclosure
Gorilla interior
Black Lion Tamarin aviary
Pied Tamarin aviary
Lemur lake exhibit (unsure which species)
Red Ruffed Lemur enclosure
Ring-Tailed and Red Fronted Brown Lemur enclosure
Black and White Ruffed and Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Aloatran Gentle Lemur exhibit
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Orang-utan house interior
Orang-utan and White Handed Gibbon outdoor exhibit
Gorilla outdoor enclosure
Gorilla interior
Black Lion Tamarin aviary
Pied Tamarin aviary
Lemur lake exhibit (unsure which species)
Red Ruffed Lemur enclosure
Ring-Tailed and Red Fronted Brown Lemur enclosure
Black and White Ruffed and Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Aloatran Gentle Lemur exhibit
Jersey
Aye Aye enclosure
Black and Gold Howler Monkey indoors
Howler Monkey outdoor enclosure (mixed with Andean bears and Coati)
Aye Aye enclosure
Black and Gold Howler Monkey indoors
Howler Monkey outdoor enclosure (mixed with Andean bears and Coati)
Wow Jersey's enclosures look good! I'm tempted to vote 2-2 but I will wait until I see what Paignton's enclosures look like.
Thanks for doing my work
.Edit: please don’t take this as sarcastic or passive aggressive, I realized it could come across that way. I just mean what i say
'Wild Planet Trust', IMHO an insult to the memory of Herbert Whitley. Probably not as daft as 'The King of Zoos', which is how they were trying to style themselves a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love those collections, just don't entirely appreciate some of the mumbo jumbo.
Paignton
Bornean Orangutan enclosure
Spider Monkey indoor enclosure?
Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Gorilla outdoors
Allen's Swamp Monkey enclosure (not sure if still around)
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Sulawesi Crested Macaque indoors
Emperor Tamarin exhibit
Pied Tamarin enclosure
Cherry Crowned Mangabey enclosure
Squirrel Monkey exhibit
Hamadrayas Baboon enclosure
Cotton-Top Tamarin island
Pygmy Marmoset and Goeldi's Monkey enclosure
Bornean Orangutan enclosure
Spider Monkey indoor enclosure?
Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Gorilla outdoors
Allen's Swamp Monkey enclosure (not sure if still around)
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Sulawesi Crested Macaque indoors
Emperor Tamarin exhibit
Pied Tamarin enclosure
Cherry Crowned Mangabey enclosure
Squirrel Monkey exhibit
Hamadrayas Baboon enclosure
Cotton-Top Tamarin island
Pygmy Marmoset and Goeldi's Monkey enclosure
Jungle Man
Well-Known Member
I like more the Jersey Zoo exhibits than the Paignton one but I will wait to vote because Paignton has more species than jersey.
From what I have seen of Paignton and Jersey, I reckon Jersey has better exhibits but an inferior species list. Therefore I am going to vote 2-1 Jersey with a bonus point for Whitley.
This is an especially tricky one for me... I've not been to Jersey, and until recently was an Intern for the Wild Planet Trust (at Paignton). I don't feel as though I can go in depth as I did for the Twycross/Bristol thread, but here are some points:
- Wild Planet Trust have the win in terms of species diversity; with the bonus of some rarer species for UK and European Zoos. This doesn't negate the fantastic species that Jersey have, and their amazing breeding success.
- Jersey seems to be more consistent with their exhibit quality, but WPT by no means have any awful exhibits - some of the highlights include the islands at both Newquay and Paignton.
- Both support great conservation work for primates: WPT's focus on the Macaques as they run the studbook, and Jersey are doing great things for Black Lion Tamarins currently.
Now home to 1.1 Gentle Lemur.Allen's Swamp Monkey enclosure (not sure if still around)
Paignton
Bornean Orangutan indoors
Another couple of Orangutan islands
Brown Spider Monkey enclosure
Another of Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Gorilla interior
Another of Gorilla exterior
Lar Gibbon enclosure
Bornean Orangutan indoors
Another couple of Orangutan islands
Brown Spider Monkey enclosure
Another of Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit
Gorilla interior
Another of Gorilla exterior
Lar Gibbon enclosure
Newquay
Black and White and White Belted Ruffed Lemur island
Geoffery's Marmoset enclosure
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Black and White and White Belted Ruffed Lemur island
Geoffery's Marmoset enclosure
Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Much as I love Paignton, I think Jersey's enclosures have the edge.
Having been to both, Jersey’s outdoor exhibits quite frankly decimate Paignton’s. The only outdoor exhibit I can think of that’s better at Paignton is their lemur one, but even then their ring-tailed lemur/red ruffed lemur island is phenomenal.
The gorilla indoors at Paignton is better than Jersey’s for sure, and whilst their orangutan indoors is bigger in terms of floor space I do like the height and overhead tunnels incorporated into Jersey’s. The orangutan islands at Jersey are better than Paignton’s, but the gorilla island at Paignton is roughly equal to Jersey’s I would say. Paignton’s large monkey house is admittedly better than Jersey’s Sulawesi macaque house, but again Jersey come through with a lovely outdoor exhibit with plenty of foliage.
To top it off their callitrichid husbandry is insane - as can be seen by their large numbers of black lion tamarin and pied tamarin. And their Alaotran gentle lemur and aye-aye enclosures are great too.
Paignton put up a good fight, hence me giving them a bonus, but Jersey for sure deserve the 2-1 here.
The gorilla indoors at Paignton is better than Jersey’s for sure, and whilst their orangutan indoors is bigger in terms of floor space I do like the height and overhead tunnels incorporated into Jersey’s. The orangutan islands at Jersey are better than Paignton’s, but the gorilla island at Paignton is roughly equal to Jersey’s I would say. Paignton’s large monkey house is admittedly better than Jersey’s Sulawesi macaque house, but again Jersey come through with a lovely outdoor exhibit with plenty of foliage.
To top it off their callitrichid husbandry is insane - as can be seen by their large numbers of black lion tamarin and pied tamarin. And their Alaotran gentle lemur and aye-aye enclosures are great too.
Paignton put up a good fight, hence me giving them a bonus, but Jersey for sure deserve the 2-1 here.
Jersey continues to do ground breaking work on the husbandry of those two tamarin species. Gentle Lemurs are more or less in a natural setting, and it's wonderful to see Aye-aye outside.
Paignton
Diana Monkey enclosure
From what I can see having never visited either collection, both are very strong in this category. They both have extremely high quality exhibits, with Jersey probably edging it with pretty much every exhibit being top class. However, Paignton etc dominate in terms of species held, with a much larger collection. This superior collection combined with the fact most exhibits are also of a high standard led me to give them a narrow 2-1 victory over Jersey.
For Jersey this is a tie they really need to win as primates is one of their strongest categories by far.
Diana Monkey enclosure
From what I can see having never visited either collection, both are very strong in this category. They both have extremely high quality exhibits, with Jersey probably edging it with pretty much every exhibit being top class. However, Paignton etc dominate in terms of species held, with a much larger collection. This superior collection combined with the fact most exhibits are also of a high standard led me to give them a narrow 2-1 victory over Jersey.
For Jersey this is a tie they really need to win as primates is one of their strongest categories by far.
Paignton wins this comfortably on species for me, though Jersey has one real rarity (black lion tamarin), Paignton has several rarities in the 2-5 holders in the UK category! Enclosure wise nothing at Paignton is so poor that Jersey should win imo. I voted 2-1 Paignton, but I think maybe 3-0 Paignton with a bonus for Jersey would be a fairer reflection!
I forgot that aye-aye and Sumatran orangutan each have more than five holders in the UK...oh wait
Paignton have overall more uncommon primates as far as the UK is concerned, that much is true, but basing a score entirely on species and not at all on husbandry or conservation is a bit much isn’t it?