British Isles Cup Redux - League B - Bristol/Wildplace vs Colchester

Bristol et al vs Colchester - PRIMATES

  • Bristol 3/0 Colchester

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  • Colchester 3/0 Bristol

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I have a feeling this might be quite an interesting one......

The category is PRIMATES, plain and simple - let's see how the votes fall, and the arguments people make in regards to the direction of their votes!
 
This is an interesting one, primates is a strength for both zoos, it will be 2-1 either way for most I think
 
I went for Bristol zoo in this poll. Admittedly I may be biased because I have visited there and have not visited Colchester.

In terms of prosimian primates Bristol has a greater range of species : Slow loris, crowned lemur, aye-aye, ring tailed lemur. Colchester does have the ruffed and red bellied lemur but Bristol also historically held the red ruffed and black and white ruffed lemur so things even out in that regard. Also worth mentioning that tarsier, potto and galagos were also historically kept by Bristol so that is another card in their favour.

In terms of New world primates Bristol currently has five species comprising different families and three of these are endangered and of conservation concern. If we consider previous species held like the black lion tamarin, night monkey and Goeldi's monkey then this only boosts them up in my opinion. Three species held by Colchester all of which are of conservation concern give them a decent hand but point down on Colchester's website from me because they listed on their animal filter the golden headed lion tamarin as being "Asiatic" which is a bit silly.

In terms of Old world primates / monkeys there is admittedly only currently the lion tailed macaque at Bristol which when compared to the L'hoest's monkey, gelada baboon, barbary macaque, patas monkey and mandrill at Colchester (all of which but one is of conservation concern) gives the latter zoo a stronger hand than the former. However, if we consider former holdings of old world species kept at Bristol zoo though the list includes Javan langur, colobus monkey, silvery langur, De Brazza's monkey,

In terms of lesser apes both collections have a single gibbon species, Agile at Bristol and Pileated at Colchester, both of which are endangered so they are pretty even in this regard.

When it comes to great apes Colchester currently keeps more with their orangutang and chimpanzees than Bristol's singles species, the Western lowland gorilla. However, consider for a moment that Bristol in its long history has also historically kept chimpanzees and orangutangs in addition to gorillas and things become more evenly matched.

In terms of conservation output with primates things seem quite even too. Bristol's current campaigns include the Ankarafa field station (which is an important conservation research centre for studying lemurs) and projects in Northern Madagascar involving lemurs (blue eyed black lemur, Sambirano mouse lemur and sportive lemurs), a project with the Sanja mangabey in Tanzania and contributions to the effort to conserve the Western lowland gorilla in Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

Colchester by comparison also is involved in in-situ projects in Madagascar with lemurs, with chimpanzee conservation in the Congo, the Gelada baboon project in Ethiopia, Orangutang conservation in Borneo and brown spider monkey in-situ conservation in Ecuador. However, Colchester's support seems mainly along financial lines whereas Bristol's is not only financial but also logistical and in terms of backing long-term studies and assessments which puts them above Colchester IMO.
 
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I went for Bristol zoo in this poll. Admittedly I may be biased because I have visited there and have not visited Colchester.

In terms of prosimian primates Bristol has a greater range of species : Slow loris, crowned lemur, aye-aye, ring tailed lemur. Colchester does have the ruffed and red bellied lemur but Bristol also historically held the red ruffed and black and white ruffed lemur so things even out in that regard. Also worth mentioning that tarsier, potto and galagos were also historically kept by Bristol so that is another card in their favour.

In terms of New world primates Bristol currently has five species comprising different families and three of these are endangered and of conservation concern. If we consider previous species held like the black lion tamarin, night monkey and Goeldi's monkey then this only boosts them up in my opinion. Three species held by Colchester all of which are of conservation concern give them a decent hand but point down on Colchester's website from me because they listed on their animal filter the golden headed lion tamarin as being "Asiatic" which is a bit silly.

In terms of Old world primates / monkeys there is admittedly only currently the lion tailed macaque at Bristol which when compared to the L'hoest's monkey, gelada baboon, barbary macaque, patas monkey and mandrill at Colchester (all of which but one is of conservation concern) gives the latter zoo a stronger hand than the former. However, if we consider former holdings of old world species kept at Bristol zoo though the list includes Javan langur, colobus monkey, silvery langur, De Brazza's monkey,

In terms of lesser apes both collections have a single gibbon species, Agile at Bristol and Pileated at Colchester, both of which are endangered so they are pretty even in this regard.

When it comes to great apes Colchester currently keeps more with their orangutang and chimpanzees than Bristol's singles species, the Western lowland gorilla. However, consider for a moment that Bristol in its long history has also historically kept chimpanzees and orangutangs in addition to gorillas and things become more evenly matched.

In terms of conservation output with primates things seem quite even too. Bristol's current campaigns include the Ankarafa field station (which is an important conservation research centre for studying lemurs) and projects in Northern Madagascar involving lemurs (blue eyed black lemur, Sambirano mouse lemur and sportive lemurs), a project with the Sanja mangabey in Tanzania and contributions to the effort to conserve the Western lowland gorilla in Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

Colchester by comparison also is involved in in-situ projects in Madagascar with lemurs, with chimpanzee conservation in the Congo, the Gelada baboon project in Ethiopia, Orangutang conservation in Borneo and brown spider monkey in-situ conservation in Ecuador. However, Colchester's support seems mainly along financial lines whereas Bristol's is not only financial but also logistical and in terms of backing long-term studies and assessments which puts them above Colchester IMO.
Wild Place of course have Geladas
 
Oh right, I haven't heard much about wild place, they are a twin / sister zoo of Bristol right ?

They are still very much in early days, having only existed for about 7 years and with expansion limited by money and resources, but the general intention in the long run is for them to be - more or less - the "Whipsnade" to Bristol's "London" as it were. Although the current collection only covers a similar area to Bristol Zoo itself, the site covers something like 140 acres and the intention is for this to be fully developed over the coming decades.

This site - the Hollywood Towers estate - has been owned by Bristol Zoo for a long time, with plans for a second collection there having been in the works but (until recently) consistently falling at some hurdle or another for almost as long a time!

It's a really good collection, and definitely somewhere to keep an eye on as time goes by.
 
They are still very much in early days, having only existed for about 7 years and with expansion limited by money and resources, but the general intention in the long run is for them to be - more or less - the "Whipsnade" to Bristol's "London" as it were. Although the current collection only covers a similar area to Bristol Zoo itself, the site covers something like 140 acres and the intention is for this to be fully developed over the coming decades.

This site - the Hollywood Towers estate - has been owned by Bristol Zoo for a long time, with plans for a second collection there having been in the works but (until recently) consistently falling at some hurdle or another for almost as long a time!

It's a really good collection, and definitely somewhere to keep an eye on as time goes by.

I'll check it out, it definitely sounds like it is an up and coming zoo and one with some potential (hopefully it will have much more than Whipsnade).

That is a fair bit of land that they have managed to secure ! I suppose the possibilities are endless in terms of the species that they could potentially end up keeping on it.

I do have to say though ( and as unlikely as this may be) that I hope that they continue with Bristol's focus on smaller taxa as I really think that it is a winning concept for zoos to follow.
 
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When it comes to great apes Colchester currently keeps more with their orangutang and chimpanzees than Bristol's singles species, the Western lowland gorilla. However, consider for a moment that Bristol in its long history has also historically kept chimpanzees and orangutangs in addition to gorillas and things become more evenly matched.
I will probably vote for Bristol, but I think you would be better concentrating on what they currently hold. That they held 3 great apes species in enclosures that would be considered awful today is not something in their favour!!
 
I will probably vote for Bristol, but I think you would be better concentrating on what they currently hold. That they held 3 great apes species in enclosures that would be considered awful today is not something in their favour!!

Ermmm ok..fine, that is your vote, I was just giving the rationale behind mine.
 
I will probably vote for Bristol, but I think you would be better concentrating on what they currently hold. That they held 3 great apes species in enclosures that would be considered awful today is not something in their favour!!

Indeed - although from memory the current exhibits at Colchester for Orangutan and Chimpanzee leave a lot to be desired themselves!

In terms of conservation output with primates things seem quite even too. Bristol's current campaigns include the Ankarafa field station (which is an important conservation research centre for studying lemurs) and projects in Northern Madagascar involving lemurs (blue eyed black lemur, Sambirano mouse lemur and sportive lemurs), a project with the Sanja mangabey in Tanzania and contributions to the effort to conserve the Western lowland gorilla in Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

Colchester by comparison also is involved in in-situ projects in Madagascar with lemurs, with chimpanzee conservation in the Congo, the Gelada baboon project in Ethiopia, Orangutang conservation in Borneo and brown spider monkey in-situ conservation in Ecuador. However, Colchester's support seems mainly along financial lines whereas Bristol's is not only financial but also logistical and in terms of backing long-term studies and assessments which puts them above Colchester IMO.

Yes, the conservation efforts of Bristol (along with their excellent prosimian collection divided across their two collections, which includes the most prolific breeding record with Aye-Aye in Europe) are what swings things for me, along with the higher standard of primate exhibits as a whole at Bristol and Wild Place!
 
Indeed - although from memory the current exhibits at Colchester for Orangutan and Chimpanzee leave a lot to be desired themselves!



Yes, the conservation efforts of Bristol (along with their excellent prosimian collection divided across their two collections, which includes the most prolific breeding record with Aye-Aye in Europe) are what swings things for me, along with the higher standard of primate exhibits as a whole at Bristol and Wild Place!

Never knew they had the most prolific breeding record for aye aye ! I assumed that would be held by perhaps Jersey or one of the German or American zoos.
 
Indeed - although from memory the current exhibits at Colchester for Orangutan and Chimpanzee leave a lot to be desired themselves!

How can you possibly compare the current chimp and orang enclosures with the absolute s**t they lived in at Bristol - ridiculous! Colchester isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as some in the UK, Dudley, Twycross or Blackpool for a start!
 
How can you possibly compare the current chimp and orang enclosures with the absolute s**t they lived in at Bristol - ridiculous! Colchester isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as some in the UK, Dudley, Twycross or Blackpool for a start!

Oh, I'm not saying they are at the same level as the former Bristol exhibits (which I never saw, naturally) - I was merely using your remark as a jumping-off point to note that if we are now talking about welfare standards, the current Colchester exhibits for apes aren't particularly good themselves.

And definitely agreed about those three collections - especially Dudley and Twycross.
 
Oh, I'm not saying they are at the same level as the former Bristol exhibits (which I never saw, naturally) - I was merely using your remark as a jumping-off point to note that if we are now talking about welfare standards, the current Colchester exhibits for apes aren't particularly good themselves.

And definitely agreed about those three collections - especially Dudley and Twycross.
Thanks for the clarification!
 
Well it was raised as part of the criteria which was why I included it as part of my reason for voting for Bristol.
But when the enclosures some of the past held species lived in were terrible, it should not be a reason to vote for that zoo based on the past surely? Best to concentrate on the present if you want to vote for Bristol!
 
Not saying that Bristol doesn't have some nice primate exhibits, but I do really like what Colchester has done with its own, soooo....it gets the points. Bristol does get a bonus point due to having comparable variety.
 
How can you possibly compare the current chimp and orang enclosures with the absolute s**t they lived in at Bristol - ridiculous! Colchester isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as some in the UK, Dudley, Twycross or Blackpool for a start!

You can't and you are the only one who is making that comparison.

I am simply saying that Bristol has held three great ape species historically and this should go in its favour I was not commenting on the husbandry or enclosures that these animals were kept in during those times.
 
You can't and you are the only one who is making that comparison.

I am simply saying that Bristol has held three great ape species historically and this should go in its favour I was not commenting on the husbandry or enclosures that these animals were kept in during those times.
The comment you have replied to was aimed at TLD, not you and he has responded above!
 
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