Burgers' Zoo Burgers Zoo 2018

[korhoen]

I dont think people really mind to see plants from a different continent around. The bush is very lush, and I never said that the plants should be chopped down.

The whole park has one country/area in the world, assigned per themed area. The bush is just a mess/combination of multiple. Ruining the whole idea of the park in my opinion. The aardvarks do not belong in the bush at all.

No, the park has an ecosystem assigned per themed area, not a country. That's kind of the whole idea behind the ecodisplay set-up. As the Bush is as good a representation of the tropical rainforest ecosystem as you're gonna get in a zoo, so changing it to make it fit to one particular country would be quite stupid in my opinion.

Anyways, I visited today and I noticed some things:
- Most of the birds that were previously behind the scenes due to bird flu restrictions are now on show again. These birds include the quails in the Desert and the teals, chachalacas and wood partridges in the Bush. The whistling ducks and scarlet ibisses from the Bush seem to be still behind the scenes.
- A litter of 5 capybaras was born last week.
- The last bongo has left the collection. A sign at the enclosure said they're now changing the enclosure for bantengs.

 

[lintworm]

No, the park has an ecosystem assigned per themed area, not a country. That's kind of the whole idea behind the ecodisplay set-up. As the Bush is as good a representation of the tropical rainforest ecosystem as you're gonna get in a zoo, so changing it to make it fit to one particular country would be quite stupid in my opinion.

Anyways, I visited today and I noticed some things:
- Most of the birds that were previously behind the scenes due to bird flu restrictions are now on show again. These birds include the quails in the Desert and the teals, chachalacas and wood partridges in the Bush. The whistling ducks and scarlet ibisses from the Bush seem to be still behind the scenes.
- A litter of 5 capybaras was born last week.
- The last bongo has left the collection. A sign at the enclosure said they're now changing the enclosure for bantengs.

Sounds like they need some temporary room for the older Banteng offspring and also like we can expect some news on their next project within a few months...

 

[ralph]

Tapirs, pygmy hippos, red duikers, now the bongos... I hope the blue duikers won't follow.

 

[Mr. Zootycoon]

I'm curious to what will happen to the coatis. They are not allowed to move them to another collection and I don't expect Burgers' to cull them all. The elephants are in more or less the same situation (though for different reasons).

Moving out most species in the Hagenbeck part will leave a gap in the collection, even if a few will be moved to the Safari.

 

[Haasje]

I'm curious about what will happen to the coatis.

Good question, maybe move them in the direction of the Mangrove? There is some space next to the restrooms. If it would be part of any (renovation) works.

Moving out most species in the Hagenbeck part will leave a gap in the collection, even if a few will be moved to the Safari..

My personal hope is that it will bring some new species to the zoo, which we haven't seen before.

 

[lintworm]

I'm curious to what will happen to the coatis. They are not allowed to move them to another collection and I don't expect Burgers' to cull them all. The elephants are in more or less the same situation (though for different reasons).

Moving out most species in the Hagenbeck part will leave a gap in the collection, even if a few will be moved to the Safari.

I don't think the masterplan says "remove all species and let it be empty", we will learn soon enough what will be the replacement. Given the relatively small size of the area ( excluding penguins and elephants 1.1 hectare ) there are not too many options... Australia or a huge Arctic aviary would be feasible options though as would a native theme be.

 

[Kifaru Bwana]

The penguins is the welcome / reception area of the zoo and that part was renovated / rebuilt some years ago. The elephants will not be changed significantly as long as the 2/3 elderly elephants remain at Burgers' Zoo.

Let us be pleasantly surprised over the next few months as I assume it will not be too long now before they will officially announce the plans for the "freed up" classical Hagenbeck style central part.

 

[PicanBird]

No, the park has an ecosystem assigned per themed area, not a country. That's kind of the whole idea behind the ecodisplay set-up. As the Bush is as good a representation of the tropical rainforest ecosystem as you're gonna get in a zoo, so changing it to make it fit to one particular country would be quite stupid in my opinion.

Anyways, I visited today and I noticed some things:
- Most of the birds that were previously behind the scenes due to bird flu restrictions are now on show again. These birds include the quails in the Desert and the teals, chachalacas and wood partridges in the Bush. The whistling ducks and scarlet ibisses from the Bush seem to be still behind the scenes.
- A litter of 5 capybaras was born last week.
- The last bongo has left the collection. A sign at the enclosure said they're now changing the enclosure for bantengs.

Why would they move the Rimba Banteng to the entrance area?
The bangteng are doing fine (From what I've seen) over there.


Yet I really am hoping to get the Hagebeck area into an mountain area maybe. Snowy Owls, Red Panda. It would be an easy way to fix as the animals would already have the rocky area!

 

[lintworm]

Why would they move the Rimba Banteng to the entrance area?
The bangteng are doing fine (From what I've seen) over there.


Yet I really am hoping to get the Hagebeck area into an mountain area maybe. Snowy Owls, Red Panda. It would be an easy way to fix as the animals would already have the rocky area!

They will just move 2 younger male Banteng there which have to leave group anyway.

 

[PicanBird]

Ah alright! Curious to see what the big hole in the park will become! I am 100% certain it won't be australian as they would not have the right theming for that!

 

[Haasje]

Ah alright! Curious to see what the big hole in the park will become! I am 100% certain it won't be australian as they would not have the right theming for that!

How do you mean 'would not have the right theming' ? If they would go full pull i would say they should be able to create every ecosystem which is feasible. Be it an Austrialian one or not. Also very curious in what is going to happen and on how big of a scale.

 

[PicanBird]

How do you mean 'would not have the right theming' ? If they would go full pull i would say they should be able to create every ecosystem which is feasible. Be it an Austrialian one or not. Also very curious in what is going to happen and on how big of a scale.

From what I know about Burgers they don't want to take down older areas of the zoo just for new ones. An Australian area would very likely be located in the empty area near Entrance East (Beyond the 'Gigantisch Apenkooien') As they have proper construction space over there.

Also Burgers has their themed area as optional things to visit at this point. Visitors are never 'forced' to enter an themed area. They always leave space to skip them. So creating a themed area in the Hagebeck area would force people to enter the area. However that would not always be a bad thing.

 

[Vision]

From what I know about Burgers they don't want to take down older areas of the zoo just for new ones.

I was going to say that this might be a recent thing since they definitely did this in the past with the Bush and the Desert, but then I remembered the Mangrove for which a lot of aviaries, waterfowl exhibits and an older tropical hall had to be destroyed, and I can confidently say that they definitely do still take down older areas of the zoo just for building new ones; very recently even!

 

[PicanBird]

I was going to say that this might be a recent thing since they definitely did this in the past with the Bush and the Desert, but then I remembered the Mangrove for which a lot of aviaries, waterfowl exhibits and an older tropical hall had to be destroyed, and I can confidently say that they definitely do still take down older areas of the zoo just for building new ones; very recently even!

They actually kept the oldest building in that area intact. Its hidden behind the current mangrove but its the hatchery for birds around the park.
The aviaries were indeed a loss however they only replaced the old mangrove with a bigger, and better?, one. But I have to agree on the fact that some cool species left the park and would love to see them return

 

[PicanBird]

After an interview at the zoo itself I went a short round:
-From the previously mentioned 5 capybara babies I only saw two.
-The banteng are two half-brothers. Not sure how long these will be staying there.
- I could hear frogs whistling near the car-wreck however I have not spotted them.

 

[lintworm]

The Bush celebrates its 30th birthday today and it is completely unrecognizable when compared to when it opened:

 

[PicanBird]

The Bush celebrates its 30th birthday today and it is completely unrecognizable when compared to when it opened:

This shows how much area the visitor cant even come! That's amazing. Like what if there's species that are in there but like never seen?
(Like the Lungfish (according to zootierliste) and the Leafbird)

 

[LARTIS]

I'm curious to what will happen to the coatis. They are not allowed to move them to another collection and I don't expect Burgers' to cull them all. The elephants are in more or less the same situation (though for different reasons).

Moving out most species in the Hagenbeck part will leave a gap in the collection, even if a few will be moved to the Safari.

Why aren't they allowed to move to another collection

Anyway the last time that I heard something about a masterplan was back in 2012 or so right before their anniversary

I can not find anything from then but there was a map that showed the development

The plan stated that the current birdhouse and the nearby aviaries would be turmed into an australian theming (the plan did not included the new magrove complex) and a new rhino stallion next to the giraffes in front of the bush where the old exhibition was

beside that it was told that the bush was originally planned as the center of an oval shaped building complex with different themings around (a bit like blijdorp's oceanarium) I might mix things up and I do not remember the other part but I think the text said that one of the two missing ecodiaplays was a tundra themed diplay and the other was nothing completly new maybe a bigger mangrove house

But as mentioned the new mangrove house was not included so therefor they most likely made a new one

 

[Haasje]

The Bush celebrates its 30th birthday today and it is completely unrecognizable when compared to when it opened:

Unbelieveble that Burgers Bush is still after 30 years one of the best of not the best tropical hall within the zoo community.

 

[PicanBird]

Why aren't they allowed to move to another collection

Anyway the last time that I heard something about a masterplan was back in 2012 or so right before their anniversary

I can not find anything from then but there was a map that showed the development

The plan stated that the current birdhouse and the nearby aviaries would be turmed into an australian theming (the plan did not included the new magrove complex) and a new rhino stallion next to the giraffes in front of the bush where the old exhibition was

beside that it was told that the bush was originally planned as the center of an oval shaped building complex with different themings around (a bit like blijdorp's oceanarium) I might mix things up and I do not remember the other part but I think the text said that one of the two missing ecodiaplays was a tundra themed diplay and the other was nothing completly new maybe a bigger mangrove house

But as mentioned the new mangrove house was not included so therefor they most likely made a new one

Tundra is at this point kind of unlikely, to be attached to the Bush. That would be a whole new thing.

Australia sounds nice. Would be fun?

Something that would be attached to the bush (and next to the safari) would be a madagascar area? Imagine lemurs, fossa, lots of gecko and other ecotherms, Aye-aye?, Tenrec.

But I am sure in 2020 there will be a new thing in the zoo!