The Hunting Dogs were imported from South Africa... I'd assume one of the many private breeding centres over there
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The Hunting Dogs were imported from South Africa... I'd assume one of the many private breeding centres over there
animalsbeebee
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Yes,they were imported from a breeder in south africa,and they certainly do not seem to be aggressive at all.The male may give a slight growl at first,then he is fine.Like many animals ,food is a great encourager.We would never take for granted that they are ok,we always respect our wild animals,we talk to them and when allowed stroke them,but it is always on their terms.
How can u claim it's on their terms I wonder when u have sub adults away from a pack that u have already said dont have a proper enclosure yet as you have yet to build, they must have either been hand raised or taken away from parents/pack too young. In order to breed and raise there own young its essential to see how pups are raised and as this is a species that is well documented to need to witness this process how do expect anything other than to hand raise any potential offspring which become very aggressive as a whole. They may also be fine now but what about in their first mating season having 1.2 will surely mean lots of aggro between females ?????
animalsbeebee
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Why do people always presume ,when at the end of the day they know nothing.Do you not now they are a pack animal thats why i got 1.2 not a 1.1 and yes normally only one the dominate female would breed .Did you ask the zoo that just got 4 males why was this ,what is the point ,why no females,is it because i am private you think i know **** ,where as we keep animals that you would only dream of owning.When you see them in the wild in a pack of 20 is there only 1 female , and they were pack raised not hand reared ,i would not want these hand reared.I dont start the enclosure building until i have them ,in case i dont receive them ,then i have the period they are in quarantine to build there enclosure.
zooboy28
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Why are you so prickly? Someone asks a question and you get all antsy. People are genuinely interested in knowing about what you are doing, they are not attacking you. You are a private individual, and people are naturally interested in what you are doing (privately keeping exotic endangered species), which is a relatively unusual phenomenon (at least on zoochat). You started a thread (more than one actually) advertising this, and must have expected some interest of the sort you are now getting. If you just wanted people to reply to your photos with "Awwww, how cute, I want to cuddle it.", then you should have posted them on CuteAnimalPicsChat.
Drop the holier-than-thou attitude, just because people know less about your animals and ideas than you do doesn't mean you are entitled to have a s***-fit at them.
Why could u not have had enclosure built already and have the whole facility quarantined and I think u will find that the standard practice is to set up packs from 1.1 or 2.1. Leaving pups with pack until at least a year is also the norm for all European and American and australasian zoos. But as you have said of course u know what u are doing so I appogise, please can u post some of the photos of injuries sustained by either yourselves if continue the close contact or of the injuries the females will undoubtedly do to one another, thanks again
animalsbeebee
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No body else please reply to this thread as i wont be posting any more as some of the comments made are not of genuine interest.
The only reason zoos have whole quarantined areas is to get them on public viewing earlier to get people through the doors ,we dont have to do this as we have our OWN quarantine facility.
The only reason zoos have whole quarantined areas is to get them on public viewing earlier to get people through the doors ,we dont have to do this as we have our OWN quarantine facility.
Of course u are not gonna reply to this as it would seem that u are unable to deal with some simple quizzing, not a surprise really.
Anyway I would say the main reason for zoo actually putting a whole facility on quarantine is that the species can then enjoy there purpose built enclosure straight away and not have to use some shocking and usually very small general quarantine facility and I would say that the latter is more commonly the reason some collections use a separate facility but as stated earlier some people no nothing and presume everything!
Anyway I would say the main reason for zoo actually putting a whole facility on quarantine is that the species can then enjoy there purpose built enclosure straight away and not have to use some shocking and usually very small general quarantine facility and I would say that the latter is more commonly the reason some collections use a separate facility but as stated earlier some people no nothing and presume everything!
The zoo I worked in, and every other zoo I've visited actually does their quarantine "off-show".
I asked a question earlier, but received no response......I wonder if you might kindly do that now please? Do you have any plans to enter these into some kind of conservation breeding programme or studbook, seeing as they are an endangered species?
Thanks
JBZvolunteer
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@Dogman:
Since you have such a major problem with having animals why have you never commented on how the Indianapolis Zoo has been keeping their orangutans behind the scenes for so long? They will have been stuck in their for a couple years in their quarantine facility where as these guys will be in their for most likely only a couple months which is the normally required amount at major zoos. It is not that uncommon for someone to wait to build the enclosure. It is like when your a kid, you keep your pet rabbit in a store bought cage when you first get them and then you build them their nice outdoor hutch because you knew you had them then. Also, there is an amazing thing in packs that are known as omegas and there can be both female and male ones. Without these guys the whole pack dynamic would be very messed up.
Since you have such a major problem with having animals why have you never commented on how the Indianapolis Zoo has been keeping their orangutans behind the scenes for so long? They will have been stuck in their for a couple years in their quarantine facility where as these guys will be in their for most likely only a couple months which is the normally required amount at major zoos. It is not that uncommon for someone to wait to build the enclosure. It is like when your a kid, you keep your pet rabbit in a store bought cage when you first get them and then you build them their nice outdoor hutch because you knew you had them then. Also, there is an amazing thing in packs that are known as omegas and there can be both female and male ones. Without these guys the whole pack dynamic would be very messed up.
Vulpes
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Why do you want to see the quarantine facilities? I think its unfortunate that animalsbeebee has been treated like this! I think private collections are most interesting and it is an awful pity that we wont hear more about this collection on here because of the comments. After all this area of the forum is for private collections and this is by far one of the most interesting Ive ever heard of.
I agree with the above, very few zoos quarantine the whole exhibit, most have off show facilities. As for the pack dynamics I would like to know what qualifies you in African Hunting Dog husbandry? For all you know animalsbeebee may have facilities to house another group should problems occur.
As far as I know feeding from a single carcass is the secret to maintaining good pack dynamics and I agree with the above there does have to be an omega but then I have never worked with this species so this is just hear say!
I agree with the above, very few zoos quarantine the whole exhibit, most have off show facilities. As for the pack dynamics I would like to know what qualifies you in African Hunting Dog husbandry? For all you know animalsbeebee may have facilities to house another group should problems occur.
As far as I know feeding from a single carcass is the secret to maintaining good pack dynamics and I agree with the above there does have to be an omega but then I have never worked with this species so this is just hear say!
I think everyone needs to calm down a bit lol there are good and bad zoos I have seen some horrible quarantine facilities in zoos but I've also seen brilliant ones!
It's the same with private collections some are bad keeping marmosets in parrot cages and some are amazing keepers with enclosures built to or even better than zoo standards.
I have been following animalbeebees posts on various forums for years and I can say they have very good enclosures and manage to breed animals such as cloud rats that many other zoos are unable to. There are many private keepers who work with studbook animals and there are even private studbooks working at keeping genetics pure
It's the same with private collections some are bad keeping marmosets in parrot cages and some are amazing keepers with enclosures built to or even better than zoo standards.
I have been following animalbeebees posts on various forums for years and I can say they have very good enclosures and manage to breed animals such as cloud rats that many other zoos are unable to. There are many private keepers who work with studbook animals and there are even private studbooks working at keeping genetics pure
Meaghan Edwards
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Congrats on the new additions! They are beauties, and on my list of species I'd privately own.
apologies to all who took the posts in the wrong way
and please anyone who can show us some nice photos of some quality quarantine facilities would love to see them.
as for the whole enclosures not being quarantine thats not correct but as most legislation for rabies quarantine for imported carnivores(uk anyway) requires that all standoff barriers are min of 2m from animals enclosure fence to public/visitor space then most zoos would struggle to provide this? as are limited for space i guess.
also there were a few questions asked by others about potential breeding programme entry/contact/involvement-- which i think was done in the best interest of the species as they were probably aware of the dodgy dealings with chinese zoos in the last couple of years from questionable dealers in south africa and seemed like they just wanted to find out if these dogs were going to be registered etc
as for pack dynamics and aggression of the species many zoos do whole carcus feeding and still have major problems does anyone know how difficult they are to breed and how many uk zoos have bred this species and how often fighting occurs with all females that are not the A pair female.
do these places not all try and follow guidelines given out by successful studbook thats been run for the past 20 years by the same expert and setup 1.1 (pairs) for breeding or 2.1 (starting packs)
And as only seasonal breeders is it not considered that they will be fairly non aggressive until about aug-sept then fighting occurs (although these being sub adult they prob wont cycle until second year)??
Anyway as said Who am i to judge and good luck to them
and please anyone who can show us some nice photos of some quality quarantine facilities would love to see them.
as for the whole enclosures not being quarantine thats not correct but as most legislation for rabies quarantine for imported carnivores(uk anyway) requires that all standoff barriers are min of 2m from animals enclosure fence to public/visitor space then most zoos would struggle to provide this? as are limited for space i guess.
also there were a few questions asked by others about potential breeding programme entry/contact/involvement-- which i think was done in the best interest of the species as they were probably aware of the dodgy dealings with chinese zoos in the last couple of years from questionable dealers in south africa and seemed like they just wanted to find out if these dogs were going to be registered etc
as for pack dynamics and aggression of the species many zoos do whole carcus feeding and still have major problems does anyone know how difficult they are to breed and how many uk zoos have bred this species and how often fighting occurs with all females that are not the A pair female.
do these places not all try and follow guidelines given out by successful studbook thats been run for the past 20 years by the same expert and setup 1.1 (pairs) for breeding or 2.1 (starting packs)
And as only seasonal breeders is it not considered that they will be fairly non aggressive until about aug-sept then fighting occurs (although these being sub adult they prob wont cycle until second year)??
Anyway as said Who am i to judge and good luck to them
I do hope animalbeebee comes back to the forum, but in fairness I don't think anybody here was intentionally rude to her (although dogman's comments could have been interpreted as such). As zooboy28 remarked, animalbeebee did respond to quite normal Zoochat questions in a very prickly way and then said she wouldn't be back.
I think the main problem is that, this being a zoo forum, most of the posters are interested to a large extent in the conservation aspect of keeping animals, whereas on (for example) RFUK almost all responses to posts on exotic pets are along the lines of "OMG so cute!", "wow you're so lucky", "I wish I had some of those" and that sort of thing. Very rarely does anyone bring up important questions (and on RFUK it seems those that do get shouted down, and anyone that has a different opinion to the main forumers eventually gets banned). I guess animalbeebee wasn't prepared for that. I can't speak for his reasons and it may not be related to what I just said, but it is interesting that mrcriss came over here to ask about any conservation plans for these dogs rather than ask on the RFUK thread.
I think the main problem is that, this being a zoo forum, most of the posters are interested to a large extent in the conservation aspect of keeping animals, whereas on (for example) RFUK almost all responses to posts on exotic pets are along the lines of "OMG so cute!", "wow you're so lucky", "I wish I had some of those" and that sort of thing. Very rarely does anyone bring up important questions (and on RFUK it seems those that do get shouted down, and anyone that has a different opinion to the main forumers eventually gets banned). I guess animalbeebee wasn't prepared for that. I can't speak for his reasons and it may not be related to what I just said, but it is interesting that mrcriss came over here to ask about any conservation plans for these dogs rather than ask on the RFUK thread.
The really interesting questions I would like to ask would probably seem too personal and might be interpreted as critical when they are not meant to be, eg how did you get into this, what training/experience do you have, how does one go about importing an animal like this, where are you, how much land have you got, how much money have you got, have you got another job etc etc.
Poor old sebbe was scared away by people just asking too many questions
Poor old sebbe was scared away by people just asking too many questions
I don't think there were any questions which were not fair. I was interested to hear what Animalbeebee had to say and what they were doing and was very surprised at her reaction to questions.
Sebbe was what came to mind when she was upset with questions. People have attempted to con us here before and when questions are avoided I get suspicious.
Poor old sebbe was scared away by people just asking too many questions
Sebbe was what came to mind when she was upset with questions. People have attempted to con us here before and when questions are avoided I get suspicious.
Vulpes
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LOL think everyone was thinking this! It obviously isn't cheap to import and keep all these animals, they need fresh meat, heated housing and I would imagine importing these dogs from Africa would cost an absolute bomb!
I agree with the above also It may have been a little bit of an over reaction, but it is our loss I think. Id like to have heard more. This is certainly not an unfriendly forum. I've visited a lot worse and avoid them for that reason!