The Cat Survival Trust Cat Survival Trust
- Thread starter mr.felidae
- Start date
Alwaysevergreen
Well-Known Member
All depends how many stepped forward, gave evidence, and so on.
Judges have to work off guidelines and they can increase, decrease categories based on factors. Now if there was evidence to show of bad practice and staff giving evidence and so on, then obviously this could have been factored into sentencing, but as with a lot of things, people seldom say anything, and often only want to tell their story after everything has unfolded.
ZooNews2024
Well-Known Member
Why is euthanasia the worst outcome? It could be argued that that this was/is far from the worst outcome for unwanted animals not needed by other recognised collections for legitimate reasons, rather than spending the rest of their days in some dreadful 'sanctuary'.
Lafone
Well-Known Member
In my view that should be a last resort not a preference. Animals are not disposable toys. Having said that it’s not really worth debating given you can’t either rehome nor destroy them so all of our views on what ‘should’ happen are effectively meaningless.
I would hope homes can be found for the collection. They deserve better than being where they are or casually destroyed. But the people would could impact it don’t seem to care very much.
I think it also sends awful signals to people who might wantonly collect and neglect animals of all types. Effectively you can get away with neglecting them and keep them afterwards. The more exotic the better as no one else can take them. Which flies in the face of bringing the prosecutions in the first place.
Indeed - as far as I am concerned the "worst outcome" in situations like this is (and will always be) the animals in question remaining in the horrific conditions in which they have found themselves, and nothing being done to rectify the situation. Compared to that, euthanasia is preferable by far.
ZooNews2024
Well-Known Member
Yes, absolutely - though removing them to similarly horrific conditions elsewhere to avoid 'last resort' euthanasia which now appears to be described as 'casual' ( an emotive term which would certainly be contested by the Vets who would have to do it) would be of no improvement to their lives. It should be remembered that very few animals die naturally in their sleep at the end of their lives; the greater majority are 'assisted' by humans. The most important point is 'how' this is carried out not 'if' - and rarely would it be described as 'casual' by those responsible.
I have to say, personally, the lack of media coverage of this story is quite shocking. Other than (very) limited coverage on local webpages, I found/heard nothing on local TV nor radio. Why weren’t Born Free all over this?
He’s effectively got away with it with a slap on the wrist. I fear we’ve not heard the last of Terry Moore
Strathmorezoo
Well-Known Member
I said in a previous post that the local authority was to partly blame. They have not only allowed the situation to worsen but have allowed a man who has been banned from keeping cats to carry on as though nothing has changed. He must be laughing his socks off, madness!! Plus who would want to work in a place that has been so heavily criticised. I hope that this story doesn't rumble on,but I fear that it will.
The cynic in me thinks it is because of the way the place describes itself, which sounds like a "sanctuary" instead of a zoo.
The quality of society is measured by how well it cares for animals.
In this respect, the authorities are guilty too, and where are the RSPCA? Can they not help?
In preparation for situations such as this, there should be a government fund to ensure the safe relocation of vulnerable animals is affordable; not difficult to organise.
I went to this place in 2010, I noticed the cages were small, the shop was grotty and there appeared to be no consideration for the safety of visitors. I heard others being lectured on conspiracy theories and the problems with modern medicine.
I was left with the impression that the way he cared for cats was based on his experience as a doctor which provided an insight into the detrimental side effects of using modern medicine. From a facebook page, It appears veterinary advice was sought, so, what went wrong?
At the time, it was apparent that new enclosures were being built, and from his request for more funding I had hoped new, larger enclosures would have allowed the cats to enjoy new enclosures long ago. Now, 14 years later, those cats occupy those same small enclosures. It is not the way animals should be cared for.
The safe relocation of these animals is now in uncertain hands. If another cat dies, will the local authority be held accountable? If this happens, perhaps a court could impose a fine on the authority and force the relocation to be paid for.
Let's hope these cats will soon be treated with the respect they deserve.
This is, virtually word-for-word, the same experience I had, and the same year!
I couldn’t get away from the place quick enough, and I still deeply regret not reporting it at the time
We sat through the trial, we have a personal interest in this case. We tried to get this situation made public 20 years ago. None of the authorities, all have been mentioned here, would do anything about this situation. We spent days with the charities commission going through everything also. No one would listen. Knowing the history of this so called charity, We are very unhappy with the outcome. However I do hope I get the opportunity to tell all, the truth that is.
This seems to be becoming an all too familiar theme running through this story. Again, as I’ve stated previously, how this story has never made it into the national press is beyond me. The fact that concerns were raised 20 years ago is abhorrent.
Strathmorezoo
Well-Known Member
With respect, can I ask, are you related to the owner ?
Lafone
Well-Known Member
The whole thing seems rather like a farce...nothing has really happened beyond a slap on the wrist and being allowed to keep animals in a place that's clearly unsuitable because no one knows what to do with them. Why did the tax issues go on for so long with absolutely no action being taken is also a question. All very strange.
I feel so sorry for the animals, left in the care of someone who's been banned from keeping them. I also feel sorry for the poor people that have donated money to this farcical place, as Roz said, this is not a charity. People donated money for things like food, decent size enclosures and things like vet bills, but with a despicable person that is unwilling to allow animals basic vet care because he thinks he knows more than every vet in the country, even though he has no qualifications regarding animals whatsoever. And the fact that there are large carnivores with no room is painful to see. As I said before I've known of this place for 10 years or more and it disgusts me that the authorities allow animals on the site. Also, there is probably poor people that have left money in wills to this shambolic junk yard not knowing where their money goes. People need to know he has been found guilty of causing unnecessary suffering to animals so they can leave their money to a worthy establishment
I have the feeling that the national press overlooked this because the announcement of the general election took place at the same time.
Strathmorezoo
Well-Known Member
According to their website, this place is currently open, surely, this cannot be true, can it?