Considering Moore’s thinly-veiled contempt of the Sampson family and the then PWP when I met him, I doubt it (and would be disappointed if it were the case)
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Considering Moore’s thinly-veiled contempt of the Sampson family and the then PWP when I met him, I doubt it (and would be disappointed if it were the case)
I will be very interested, I thought he had been sentenced.
We did, 20 years ago, we were told by various agencies that there was nothing they could do.
Didn't it say somewhere that there were twenty deceased cats found in freezers on site? I don't think all of them could have been awaiting proper disposal - unless the mortality rate at this place was absurdly high! My first hunch was maybe stored for possible taxidermy, maybe as a source of income? We'll probably never know for sure though, and to be honest I'm far more bothered about what happens to the remaining living animals than finding out why this crackpot wanted to freeze his dead cats.
I can't say I agree with your last paragraph in the slightest bit, but up to that point you were talking a lot of sense. It does strike me that some zoos are more interested in rescuing animals from other countries, particularly those that are receiving large-scale media attention, than those that are on our doorstep which I find quite sad.
I definitely think there is a place for rescued animals in zoos - they can be educational for sure, which is supposed to be a big justification for why zoos exist. I wish we could get away from the thinking that these creatures are like disposable objects!
Lafone
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I won't reply to your former colleague, but you are a zoo chat member who has been around a while and, I assume, had some notion that zoos and collections should be good places.
I don't think it is a good idea to blame Hertfordshire Zoo for this problem nor try and discredit their efforts here. It actually beggars belief you'd try to do that. They didn't shrink the enclosures, nor create the conditions for disease and illness and then not treat it. They also, and rather importantly, were not convicted in a court on multiple counts of causing unnecessary suffering to animals in 2024.
Watch the video documenting the wildside exotic collection of the mountain lions, highlighting the two Eurasian Lynx calling and vocalising in the background who are going to be destroyed as they cannot be rehomed for health reasons. The same Lynx feature on an earlier video, clearly highly habituated to contact. I really do wonder that you keep trying to justify what has happened here. Cat Survival Trust seems, on the back of that clip alone, a rather ironic name.
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ZooNews2024
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Rescued animals are of no more educational value than those obtained as part of collection plans and kept for the benefit of the species, and potentially much less. This justification for 'rescue' is ridiculous.
All licenced zoos have to have collection plans, and these have to fit with their conservation requirements. Some (most) source their animals deliberately and for these reasons, but some as TLD elaborated, do not. Animals 'rescued' by zoos, always have some kind of publicity involved; often considerable and with public donations solicited. Almost never will the public donate for an enclosure to house a species for conservation breeding. Large and well publicised (and very popular) zoos have established themselves by this means, sometimes even bringing in animals which cannot adjust to the changes and should have been left where they were used to or euthanased if that was considered appropriate.
The phrase 'disposable objects' is yours and appears to be an attempt to put words into my mouth. The fact remains that most animals kept under human control end their lives with human assistance, be that from a Vet or at a slaughter-house. This is a fact, and I repeat my opinion that it is the manner in which euthanasia is done which is more important to the animal and its welfare, than when it is done.
because Its shocking to see the state of the place now, it never looked like that in all my time there, what has happened since is horrific. my 2 images just of kitkat from 2023 vs now show this
i don't understand where people are getting this idea that there was lots of illnesses and deaths, there was not, there was lots of old animals but apart from that it was the odd issue here and there, when one does die it cant just be buried, they have to be frozen until correctly disposed or donated, they had always been donated.
i don't understand where people are getting this idea that there was lots of illnesses and deaths, there was not, there was lots of old animals but apart from that it was the odd issue here and there, when one does die it cant just be buried, they have to be frozen until correctly disposed or donated, they had always been donated.
cornu aspersum
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, it looks like the puma is in the same enclosure in all photos, and it just has more vegetation in 2023.because Its shocking to see the state of the place now, it never looked like that in all my time there, what has happened since is horrific. my 2 images just of kitkat from 2023 vs now show this
i don't understand where people are getting this idea that there was lots of illnesses and deaths, there was not, there was lots of old animals but apart from that it was the odd issue here and there, when one does die it cant just be buried, they have to be frozen until correctly disposed or donated, they had always been donated.
It just looks like a summer vs winter comparison.
Literally. Most zoos look pretty naff in the winter, especially in the UK.
Lafone
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because Its shocking to see the state of the place now, it never looked like that in all my time there, what has happened since is horrific. my 2 images just of kitkat from 2023 vs now show this
i don't understand where people are getting this idea that there was lots of illnesses and deaths, there was not, there was lots of old animals but apart from that it was the odd issue here and there, when one does die it cant just be buried, they have to be frozen until correctly disposed or donated, they had always been donated.
'The odd issue, here and there'.
That sums up the posts made by the apologists for this place pretty well.
Strathmorezoo
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I'm confused what you're saying. When volunteers were there it was summer but now when it's closed it's winter?
Lafone
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There is just a difference in the weather on the day the pictures / video were taken as far as I can see. The closure is really on Terrence Moore for running it as he did and he’s to blame for the issues here.
It’s all sad and a shame but it speaks volumes that when something like the lynx is pointed out to you you say ‘look over here’.
All the deflecting stuff onto other people is just that and given you were there throughout then I guess it’s not surprising you’re doing it.
This has ended horribly for the cats. It’s the grim reality of what actually happens when unsuitable people keep wild animals. It’s not even intentional (the court said so) it’s just incompetence.
Anyway this is just arguing the toss on the internet while these poor cats get euthanised. At least some of them have gone to other places. And there won’t be any more at this one.
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obviously i am very upset about the lynx and all the other animals being killed, i have no idea what possible heath reason they both have that would warrant them being destroyed, they are young and i never saw anything wrong with them in my time there, so i don't know.
And arrogance. Don’t forget arrogance!