The Cat Survival Trust Cat Survival Trust

sidcup said:
is there a snow lep and or an amur lep in the mix to be moved as i loved to know. cheers
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I've just seen on Facebook confirmation that the Leopard and Jaguar were sadly put to sleep due to health issues - this was confirmed by WildSide Exotic Rescue who have taken numerous cats from the CST including all eight Pumas!

Sorry I haven't heard anything about the Snow Leopards.
 
sidcup said:
guess that might happen. how sad and a waste
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Not trying to defend what has happened here, but what I am reading is that no animal should be put down regardless of how much it's suffering and it's health issues should be ignored, because it hasn't got a voice if that is what you are saying you are as bad as Terry, for letting what happened happen.
 
no you are totally misreading what i said. its sad and a waste because those animals should not have been subjected to these apalling coditions in the first place, we have now a situation where animals are having to rehomed and in some cases put down cause of the action of one silly person. these animals were entitled to live a healthy happy life and in somes cases may have been able to breed if in proper conditions to preserve the species
 
sidcup said:
no you are totally misreading what i said. its sad and a waste because those animals should not have been subjected to these apalling coditions in the first place, we have now a situation where animals are having to rehomed and in some cases put down cause of the action of one silly person. these animals were entitled to live a healthy happy life and in somes cases may have been able to breed if in proper conditions to preserve the species
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Sorry still not hearing anything different, you are saying that the animals should not have been put down and should have been rehomed,this despite the fact that the BCS explained both were put down because of ongoing health conditions, so in effect what you are saying is that they don't know what they are on about. Perhaps you should be in charge of the rehoming of all the animals, because you clearly have the answers that even the BCS don't to the problem.
 
never said that at all . you dont get the fact that if these animals had been cared for properly in the first place they would not need putting down. if they are ill now then its preety dam obvious they need to be put down. dont undermind other peoples quotes
 
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sidcup said:
never said that at all . you dont get the fact that if these animals had been cared for properly in the first place they would not need putting down. if they are ill now then its preety dam obvious they need to be put down. dont undermind other peoples quotes
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Oh no I fully understand I've visited I've seen the conditions these cat's were kept in, but they had health conditions because of their age, but that doesn't seem to count for anything with some people.
 
I think from previous comments the Jaguar was about 20 years old, whether that was a 'quality' life of course is highly debateable.

I don't see any wrong in sidcup's posts, they're just sad that the animals suffered and that they were past the point of help, something I'd hope anyone who has compassion for animals would agree with. I'm not a great fan of animals being put down but I do accept that sometimes it is the best option, and suspect it was the case here. Some of the cats who have been rehoused are elderly and/or have health issues, so presumably the ones that were put down must have been in a worse state.
 
I think both sidcup and Laboratory7 seem to be pretty much in agreement on the basic matters at hand, but coming at complete cross purposes; it *is* a waste for the cats in question to end up as they have - of past potential, had they been treated better or kept elsewhere if nothing else - but it's also extremely necessary that they have been PTS humanely and promptly.

Plus, as also pointed out by a few people, some were of an age where - even if kept in the best circumstances possible - they'd have been at the end of the road anyhow.

Cleaning the thread up.
 
So many beautiful animals rehomed, didn't realise that in the last 20 years he had accumulated so many, was there enough room to house this many? Has anyone read a book or an article written by Terry Moore? I can't find anything out there. This whole sad situation could have been stopped a long time ago.
 
I've just seen some really fantastic news from the WildSide Exotic Rescue Sanctuary - today they went to collect the last two Pumas and they have also taken a Bobcat, this is significant as he was the last remaining animal to be re-homed. This means that the only animals to have been put down were those considered too unwell to be re-homed. Presumably the Cat Suvival Trust is now effectively defunct with no cats left on site - woohoo!!!
 
Sand Cat said:
I've just seen some really fantastic news from the WildSide Exotic Rescue Sanctuary - today they went to collect the last two Pumas and they have also taken a Bobcat, this is significant as he was the last remaining animal to be re-homed. This means that the only animals to have been put down were those considered too unwell to be re-homed. Presumably the Cat Suvival Trust is now effectively defunct with no cats left on site - woohoo!!!
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Good news that the suffering has ended for the cats either in their rehoming or indeed being pts in a humane way. Hopefully the ones who’ve moved on will enjoy a safe and well cared for life for the rest of their time.

None of this should have happened in the first place and it calls into question what happens over time when people clearly know there is a problem but it takes years to do something to end it. There’s no ‘safety net’ or structure to look after wild animals when this sort of thing goes wrong as there might be for domestic animals. I hope we don’t see another example of this sort of thing.
 
Glad to hear that all the cats which were eligible have now been rehomed.

If there is one thing I wish people would learn from situations like this, it's that no man (or woman) is an island when it comes to animal husbandry. By all accounts, Moore believed that it was him - and only him - who knew how to best care for these animals, and viewed any attempt to correct his views as "lecturing" or "interference". This is not the first, second, or even the tenth time a zoo or sanctuary owner with this attitude has ended up falling foul of their own ego - often to the tune of criminal charges, life-changing injuries (or deaths), and suffering for the animals involved.

At the risk of reigniting a volatile discussion, this is also why I also feel a great deal of sympathy for the keepers and volunteers in these scenarios. One of the things you learn very quickly working in an animal collection is that your husbandry is only ever as good as the people at the top - you work to their knowledge, not the other way around. As in many cases of this kind, the animal care team functioned to the best of their ability within the restrictions placed by a lackluster management. Moore was determined to be the sole person calling the shots at "his" sanctuary - ergo, its ultimate failure lies squarely at his feet... or foot, as the case may be.
 
He was banned by the Court from looking after(not that he did) the animals, whilst they were removed from the site. So he shouldn't have been in there in the first place, my last words to him 20 years ago was 'Karma' and he laughed in my face. He continues to think he's God and above everyone, perhaps now he will have learnt a lesson. What's happened to all of the domestic animals, surely the ban should cover them too?
 
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