CGSwans flies north for the winter

Zoo #44: Zoo Leipzig, 11/08/2017

So I had half-planned to do this as a double post with the Tierpark, but changed my mind. Rather carelessly, alas, as @TeaLovingDave points out. 

Unlike the Tierpark, Leipzig was one of those dozen that I thought would be battling it out for top ten spots: indeed, it was one of perhaps five I thought might top the list. But whereas the Tierpark *is* going to be in the frame for a top ten spot, I’m not quite sure that Leipzig will make it, and top five is out of the question.

I mentioned that I would seem capricious, because Leipzig has much in common with Hanover, which I enjoyed, and yet Leipzig ranks as a disappointment despite being an objectively better zoo. The independent variable, as ever, is the expectations: Hanover nearly got cut, but Leipzig was never at risk of that because it was too eagerly anticipated.

Another reason it wasn’t at risk of being dropped from the list was that I booked my train here as a stopover from Berlin to my next destination. I made the booking before leaving home, when I was still entertaining the notion that I would have quite a few zoos that took all day. Accordingly, I’d allowed over eight hours in Leipzig, by the time I got to and from the Hauptbahnhof, but I needed barely half the time. This is a glorified ABC place, and I’m at the point in this trip where I’ve seen some of the ABCs more than 30 times. If they aren’t in cutting edge exhibits, or doing something interesting, I’m only waving as I walk past. And because I’d been unlucky with the weather, with steady rain and a cool 16 degrees, most of the animals were disinterested in being interesting.

Leipzig is most of the way through a master plan, and it’s quite easy to tell what is and isn’t new. The bulk of the non-mammal collection, at least those that are not in Gondwanaland, remain in pre-gold rush days. The aquarium is pleasant, but suffers from having come so soon after Copenhagen, Hamburg and Berlin: it’s more at the Antwerp level. The reptile house is similarly fine, but that’s all. I was surprised to find a relatively muted bird collection, and it’s lucky I found the small bird house just before leaving (I had missed it), or I would have been well and truly whelmed.

Now. The big dollar stuff. Like Hanover, it’s en route to becoming an American cuckoo in the European zoo nest, with hyper-expensive looking exhibits for primarily big mammals, and significant thematic elements, though the latter is much less all-enveloping. But all that money is paying mixed dividends.

The ‘Asia’ section – still not fully developed, I don’t think(?) is all decent, with the snow leopards being especially good (but not Zurich or Helsinki good). Like Hanover, Asia is where theming crosses a line into fetishising foreign culture, with the Buddhist prayer flags and the temple, but Leipzig’s not exactly on its own there, alas.

The African Savannah works well mostly because it takes full advantage of the wide open fields across the river, which I assume aren’t actually part of the zoo, but the illusion created is great. I sorta/kinda trust that the zoo knows what it’s doing, but the mix of rhinos, cheetahs and patas monkeys seems like a great new version of paper rock scissors, except that whoever plays the patas monkey automatically loses. One day a cheetah will get hold of one of the monkeys. What then? Incidentally, Leipzig seems rather fond of mixing monkeys: the sakis and silvery marmosets with the giant otters (more on them shortly), and the squirrel monkeys (I think? I’ve forgotten) with the bears too.

Now, the really, really big dollar stuff: Gondwanaland and Pongoland. I visited Gondwanaland first, and it was quite a homecoming after five whole months in Laurasia. This thing is an engineering marvel: not quite a football field, I don’t think, but perhaps a soccer field size (that one was for you, Sooty). But is it a zoo exhibit marvel? I’m afraid not. The enormous size means that many exhibits are bigger (which isn’t the same as ‘better’, but the two are positively correlated) than comparable ones in other rainforest houses. I’d sooner be a tapir in Leipzig than the Bronx, for example. But the exhibits here are still standard rainforest house exhibits. It doesn’t exactly reinvent the wheel, it just makes it bigger.

The exception I mentioned was the giant otter pool (although it’s a mix with the two monkey species, I’m willing to bet they hardly notice each other’s presence). I got lucky with this one. I arrived on the bridge overlooking the pool just a split second before an otter dived into the pool from an outcrop a good metre or so above the water. Such a simple thing – a dive, a splash, a ripple – but it was a moment of vibrancy that simply *made* the exhibit for me. And even sans splash, it’s a gorgeous exhibit, and I didn’t even find the underwater viewing until a quick second run-through before leaving.

Finally, Pongoland. I had mentioned how much I enjoyed the Tierpark to FunkyGibbon, including that I thought it was better than the Zoo (a snap early judgment that I’ve since hedged, on reflection, in the post above), and he suggested that I was ‘not an ape man’. No, I said. I like apes just fine, just not how they’re so often displayed in Europe. But Leipzig is a glorious exception to the rule. Because of the afore-mentioned crappy weather all five groups (chimps x2, bonobos, gorillas and orangs) were all inside, so I had to make do with imagining what those spacious, leapt outdoor exhibits would be like filled up with apes (in my imagination it looks pretty great). And unlike so many places, whilst the indoor exhibits are by necessity smaller and more functional than the outside ones, they’re still a reasonable size, and they still look more like zoo exhibits than car garages. And the best bit? Being in there for a scatter feed for the chimps. Two troops of chimps screaming in excitement? I might not need those $80 earplugs anymore. It was deafening. Exhilaratingly so.

I suspect that Leipzig will look better to me in hindsight than it did on the day, and chances are I will return next time I’m in Germany. Top ten it may be. Top five it ain’t.
 
The African Savannah works well mostly because it takes full advantage of the wide open fields across the river, which I assume aren’t actually part of the zoo, but the illusion created is great. I

The open field on the other side is indeed a public park. This area have always been hoofstock enclosures, but up to 10 years ago it was filled with South-American species, camels and buffaloes.

I sorta/kinda trust that the zoo knows what it’s doing, but the mix of rhinos, cheetahs and patas monkeys seems like a great new version of paper rock scissors, except that whoever plays the patas monkey automatically loses

I thought they abandoned this idea and that they only combine rhino with patas and rhino with cheetah..

squirrel monkeys

Rhesus monkey ;)

This thing is an engineering marvel: not quite a football field, I don’t think, but perhaps a soccer field size (that one was for you, Sooty).

Actually more like 3 soccer fields, as the dome is about 1.6 hectares big


Personally I prefer Leipzig way over Hannover and though I understand the comparison, Leipzig actually does not forget the small and strange animals, which Hannover is completely lacking. As I have family living close to Leipzig I have seen this zoo change from 1998 onwards (the Pongoland opened in 2001 as one of the first new developments), so I have a bit of a soft spot for it and the metamorphosis is wonderful. Though I still miss the Dama gazelles...
 
Zoo #45: Tiergarten Nuremberg, 14/08/2017 and #46: Tierpark Hellabrunn, 15/08/2017

I am being held captive in cruel and unusual circumstances. The hostel wifi has been out for over 13 hours. I’m shaking. Irritable. I need a fix, but all I have are diversions. Like writing about zoos (albeit briefly). Two zoos. Two very good zoos.

First, Nuremberg. This almost belongs right in the very top tier of European zoos (there’s only one thing holding it back). It might just be the perfect size: whereas the Tierpark is really *too* big (it’s bloody hard to get around it in a full day, which you should always be able to do), Nuremberg has plenty of space to work with in a more manageable package. It wouldn’t have nearly as many big hoofstock exhibits as the Tierpark, but what it does have are comparable in quality.

I usually more or less ignore ungulate exhibits – they’re not the most riveting of animals, and they’re usually just parked in square-ish yards with dirt, but I’ve had three zoos in a row now – from Tierpark to Munich – with enormous, park-like grassy fields for many of their hoofstock species. The setting makes the species, at least as far as display quality goes. And not just for the hoofstock: the open spaces make the entire zoo look better and feel spread out, even when in reality there’s exhibits occupying most of the space.

As good as Nuremberg’s hoofstock yards are, though, it’s the small carnivore (and other small mammal) exhibits that vault it right up to the top of the European tree for me. Yellow-throated martens have an enclosure here that’s bigger than some big cat enclosures. Meerkats, river otters and red pandas are fantastic. Stepping away from the carnivores for just a moment, the squirrel monkeys have a wonderful, wonderful island exhibit: I generally prefer cages, but not when an island has full access to mature trees like in Nuremberg. And here, as everywhere else, having the animals crossing over the head of visitors is an automatic crowd pleaser.

Back to carnivores, and how many times have I banged my drum about small cats being ripped off, that just because they’re small doesn’t mean they don’t need the same room to roam? Well Nuremberg was listening. The fishing cat exhibit must surely be the best in the world. And the lynx enclosure is up there with Ljubljana, and only reinforces my impression that, on average, lynx exhibits are better in Europe than for any other cat species. Two medium sized cat species, cheetahs and snow leopards, are also treated to two of the most spacious exhibits for their kind.

There’s some exhibits that are only so-so: the lions, the tigers, the dolphins and gorillas. But they’ll do, and there’s nothing I wanted to point at and say ‘fix this, immediately’. How many times can you say that about a zoo? No. It’s not what’s at Nuremberg that is holding it back from claiming a place in the elite echelon of European zoos, but what’s not. The bird collection is sparse, and the reptiles close to non-existent: I kept looking for a reptile house on the map, but if it’s there I didn’t find it. Give Nuremberg bird and reptile collections that are comparable to the Central European average, and if they could display them with the same panache they do with the mammals, this one would be very near the top.

Which brings me to Munich.

I was going to leave this one for a couple of days, not least because my first day in Munich was a 31 degree local public holiday, and I feared facing big crowds. I brought the visit forward though because I was feeling under the weather – yet again – and wasn’t sure if I’d keep getting worse. I didn’t want to miss out entirely, and thankfully the crowds weren’t any worse than a typical summer Sunday.

I had looked at Wikipedia before visiting to check how big the zoo was (in hectares), so I might have an idea of how long a full circuit would take me, and learned that its claim to fame is apparently having pioneered the use of water moats for exhibits. Whether they were truly first I’ll leave to my better informed readers to determine, but there’s certainly plenty of them. They are a default primary barrier for many of the larger exhibits, especially hoofstock, and it makes sense given that there’s clearly water going spare here, with little streams running all over the place.

The zoo’s other claim to fame are the Heck breeds, though to be honest I’d completely forgotten about them until I arrived at what I took to be a Przewalski’s horse and bison paddock and realised something – actually both things – didn’t look right. They’re not tarpans or aurochs, of course, and can never be, but they’re both gorgeous breeds with a unique history, and I hope the zoo maintains them into the future. I’ve never been to a zoo where the most interesting species were domestics before.

Especially not such a good one. And Munich is right up there with the very, very best. It doesn’t have the most extensive or even the most unusual of collections, but what it does it does – mostly – incredibly well. An exception is the lion exhibit, which I think shows up how moats – so good for ungulates – are a poor choice in most circumstances for big carnivores. The lion exhibit here is half land, half water, and the two halves don’t even add up to much of a whole. Not good enough.There’s not much else that isn’t good enough, though. I won’t continue to beat my drum about indoor exhibits – suffice to say I think the two for gorillas and chimps are great, but not the rest.

To be honest I’m struggling to write this, and need to get it out of the way, so I’ll go staccato fashion from here on. The hoofstock paddocks are like works of art. No reptile house, but exquisite terraria are dotted around the place. A gorgeous, massive planted aviary, but guess what? It’s full of ducks and bin chickens. At least this time there were also three macaws up in the trees. I can’t recall whether I’ve been in a walk-through insectivorous bat cave before, but I want more of it.

I only stayed for a little under four hours, and didn’t feel up to returning to anything. But I wish I could have. This zoo is a true standout, and as I was wandering about a nagging thought was buzzing in my ear. That this is a standard that I once thought Melbourne was heading towards. My home zoo took a wrong turn. Munich hasn’t. Nuremberg hasn’t. A wonderful Bavarian double.
 
My feelings about Munich were pretty much in line with yours - although I would tend to argue you were a little unfair about the large walkthrough aviary by dismissing it's inhabitants as mere "ducks and bin chickens" :p though this may be because I *like* wildfowl and waders, and the selection in that aviary is pretty choice.

Conversely, I wasn't particularly keen on Nuremberg - as I intend to write about in more detail eventually, although there weren't many bad or substandard bits, it just didn't grab me somehow. I would be interested to hear what you thought about the dolphin and manatee exhibit, however!
 
Conversely, I wasn't particularly keen on Nuremberg - as I intend to write about in more detail eventually, although there weren't many bad or substandard bits, it just didn't grab me somehow. I would be interested to hear what you thought about the dolphin and manatee exhibit, however!

Whereas I love it. A great and underrated zoo, which displays smaller species exceptionally well (Lammergeier, Mediterranean, Martens, etc.). It might even make my top ten in Europe.

Munich is very good too, of course, but I enjoy the older parts more than the newer developments. How's the new polar development looking @CGSwans? And thanks, as always, for sharing your thoughts.
 
My feelings about Munich were pretty much in line with yours - although I would tend to argue you were a little unfair about the large walkthrough aviary by dismissing it's inhabitants as mere "ducks and bin chickens" :p though this may be because I *like* wildfowl and waders, and the selection in that aviary is pretty choice.

The selection is pretty small and boring for such a huge aviary and it was much better in previous years... If straw-necked ibis are the rarest species in such a huge aviary something is amiss....

Conversely, I wasn't particularly keen on Nuremberg - as I intend to write about in more detail eventually, although there weren't many bad or substandard bits, it just didn't grab me somehow. I would be interested to hear what you thought about the dolphin and manatee exhibit, however!

Nurnberg also didn't grab me the first visit, but then it was misty and 5 degrees. I returned last june and I was very pleased with how much more I enjoyed it and the fact that the martens were incredibly active helped as well ;)

Munich is very good too, of course, but I enjoy the older parts more than the newer developments. How's the new polar development looking @CGSwans? And thanks, as always, for sharing your thoughts.

You are not the only one with that feeling ;). The sea lion part was already finished in June and looked impressive, the rest @CGSwans can tell you ;)

My problem with Munchen is is that it has many ok and good parts, but nothing that stands out. Money is not the problem here, but maybe it is the lack of serious competition. Within 2 hours drive of Munchen there are only 3 larger zoos (Augsburg, Munchen, Nurnberg), so maybe a lack of competition takes away the need to do something outstanding?
 
I'm drawing a complete blank on the sea lion bit. Maybe I missed it. :(

I will say though that the existing polar bear exhibit, with its massive pool and connecting grassy meadow, would be an *excellent* replacement enclosure for the lions to get them off their little side stage.
 
learned that its claim to fame is apparently having pioneered the use of water moats
Tierpark Hellabrunn's main claim to fame isn't any of the mentioned ones, its role in naming the Bonobo or in breeding African bush elephants; it was the first zoo to introduce the concept of zoo geography, i.e. assigning the exhibits in accordance with the geographic origin of the various species (which, as you might have noticed, doesn't work 100% here, either).
I can’t recall whether I’ve been in a walk-through insectivorous bat cave before, but I want more of it
Vienna?^^ And the species in question (Carollia perspicillata) is actually frugivorous, not insectivorous. ;)
 
I will say though that the existing polar bear exhibit, with its massive pool and connecting grassy meadow, would be an *excellent* replacement enclosure for the lions to get them off their little side stage.

The plan is (was?) to convert the brown bear exhibit for lions when the elderly resident dies. Europe would then become an African biotope linking to the recent Giraffe house, an idea I admit I'm not wholly onboard with.

The sealion exhibit is across the path from the penguins and polar bears. In the same area, a new complex is also under construction for arctic fox, snowy owl, and wolverine (currently doing very well with access to the former snow leopard enclosure).
 
It's very lucky that we don't need to rely only on my faulty memory.
02474545.jpg
 
Wait, what? There's a Melbourne in Florida as well, perhaps he went there and you got your wires crossed?

I live a life full of resentment towards Melbourne Zoo. I am looking in the rear view mirror, of course, at a zoo I knew as a child. But I genuinely believe the Melbourne Zoo of the mid-1990s was on a track that could have placed it comfortably in the world's top ten zoos. It had been modernising steadily since the mid-1960s (the lion park) and had only a couple of seriously problematic exhibits left (most notably the elephants).

The reptile house and the great flight aviary stil survive and sit comfortably with the best in their classes that I've seen. But the gorilla rainforest has been severely degraded, and the treetop apes and monkeys are suffering death by a thousand cuts. They are the last significant elements left from that zoo I loved so much, apart from the butterfly house (which I've always been indifferent towards).

With the (partial) exception of the orangutan exhibit pretty much everything since 2000 has been botched to a greater or lesser degree. And worse, the zoo has consciously run its collection into the ground. Australian zoos will never - can never - be as diverse as their European or North American brethren. But they had a choice about how they would confront the challenge, and the decision appears to have been to see how few exotic animals they can get away with displaying and still have people come through the gates.

I just did some quick counting in my head and I think there's 12 species of primate that would be 'ongoing' parts of the plan, ten species of carnivore (including the native fur seals), the elephants, five species of ungulates (two of which likely won't be replaced when the current ones die) and maybe two rodents. But, I hear you ask, what about the natives? There's only the stock standard kangaroos, koalas, wallabies, Tassie devils, tree kangaroos, wombats, echidnas and platypus. Maybe a bilby too. They won't want to go into more depth than that because they want tourists to go to Healesville instead. Birds? There's now the Great Flight Aviary and about five small habitat or species-specific aviaries.

I think the new precinct 'Predator something or other' will be open when I get home. It won't have any new species, and indeed a zone that relatively recently held brown bears, a tiger, snow leopards, a Persian leopard, a jaguar and maned wolves (and further back in time, also cheetahs) will hold tigers and snow leopards. I'm not all that excited to see what they've done. None of those previous exhibits were even close to being sub-par by European standards, by the way. The leopard deserved more space, but they always do. The rest were fine.

It's typical of their approach. They knocked down the decrepit baboon exhibit, as well as a few other bits and pieces. They went from displaying at one point four species of callitrichids to I think just one, and in return we got a new baboon enclosure (decent, I'll concede) and 'Growing Wild', a wasteland of meerkat exhibits (to go with the two we already had), a giant tortoise yard (to go with the one we already had), a mara and quokka walkthrough that, as of my last visit, had neither quokkas or mara in it and a bush turkey aviary. It's a pretty bloody expensive turkey, in both senses of the word.

The Victorian Government's policy of providing free entry for children a few years ago was a disaster. The incentive for the zoo to pursue parents with young children as their only real target market was set in stone that day. The zoo started to be dumbed down. They no longer strive for anything approaching cutting edge exhibit design, and they seem happy to spend millions of dollars and have the final product still cut corners for no discernible reason. The penguin pool in the Wild Seas thing - you'd hate it, it's SeaWorld outside and a bloody IMAX theatre inside - has bare concrete walls with a square hole cut in it. This complex cost $20m. Spend an extra couple of thousand bucks and texture that surface a little. It's hard for me to describe but if/when you see it you'll understand. It's like they *want* everything to look amateurish.

We went, I think, from being an ultra-progressive European zoo in my childhood to being a medium-sized US zoo. We don't compare ourselves with Vienna anymore, but with, say, Atlanta. And if you haven't already figured it out, that really pisses me off. :D
When was David Hancocks in charge at Melbourne? I've done some googling, and not got anywhere.

Hancocks (as a consultant) developed the Melbourne zoo master plan (circa 1989) that led to the best bits of what was a very promising period of exhibit development: gorillas, mandrill/pygmy hippo, tiger, wombat, etc. Agree 100% things have gone downhill since, with a nadir acheived with the horrid "Wild Seas," a monument to a board that insisted on a distinctly "modern Australian architectural vocabulary" in lieu of "American" landscape immersion design.

BTW this has been the most interesting and substantive thread on Zoochat in many a moon.
 
The plan is (was?) to convert the brown bear exhibit for lions when the elderly resident dies. Europe would then become an African biotope linking to the recent Giraffe house, an idea I admit I'm not wholly onboard with.

The stupid thing is that the whole geozoo concept is used again, meaning many species will change their enclosure. IF one would have kept the giraffes in the elephant house and built a new elephant accomodation roughly where the yak and kiang are, none of these big changes would be necessary....

On a sidenote: Knieriem the former director was complaining a lot about asian species being in the African part etc. but when bringing in porcupine for an enclosure next to the giraffe, he actually brought in an Asian species :p
 
Zoo #47, Wilhelma, 19/08/2017

I didn’t add Wilhelma to my plans until relatively late, and it really only made the cut because it’s on the way between Munich and another part of Germany that may or may not be of interest to zoo connoisseurs (I think that’s me, @lintworm, would you agree?). All I knew was that it had a very traditional, formal garden setting and some enclosures that I didn’t expect to love. That’s broadly accurate: the setting is sublime, but the zoo itself is ordinary.

I’ve allowed much more time for these day stopovers than I needed, as my average zoo visit is only between three and four hours. So I took my time getting up to Wilhelma, walking through the long, narrow park that leads from the Hauptbahnhof to the zoo, taking about half an hour. But I was still there at about 11:45, and stayed until just on 5PM: a long zoo day, by my standards.

I was staying overnight in Stuttgart, by the way, and I’d had a stupid o’clock wake-up in Munich, followed by a second successive stupid o’clock wake up scheduled the next morning. I had an expensive and not particularly well-located hostel booked, but given I only had one night I had a sneaky look at Booking.com and found a hotel room, five minutes from the station, that was only €9 more and had a bath. I think I spent almost as long in the bath as I did at the zoo. It was blissful.

Anyway, I’ll leave my bath review for my thread on Bathchat (I’m not game to Google that, to be honest). After a brief walk through a series of glasshouses for plants – pleasant, but not particularly interesting – I found yet another aquarium. This is the fifth such ‘zoo aquarium’ in nine German zoo visits, or six if you count the aquaria in the Tierpark’s wonderful restaurant (I forgot to mention that at the time: it’s the best I’ve ever eaten in a zoo). This might be a partial answer to SL’s question above about the lack of a ‘great’ German aquarium: the zoos have already queered the pitch. Unfortunately the trend in quality has been downwards, from Hamburg and Berlin being very good, through Leipzig, Munich and now Stuttgart’s much more modest offerings. Stuttgart has plenty of tanks, but aside from an over-stocked one for freshwater fish they are small, and nothing special. The same goes for the reptile exhibits in the same building.

Stuttgart’s bird collection damn near broke my heart. ZTL had advised me that there were 24 passerines on my target list here, which I thought might give me another much-needed boost as I get towards the end of my trip. My first warning sign that I might have a problem was when I saw something on the map that was under construction, and which I identified as a bird house. And sure enough, no more than seven of those 24 passerines were sign-posted as being in display, and of those seven I only saw two.

Two, out of 24!

I had thought, when I spotted the long double row of aviaries from afar, that my salvation was at han. Alas, the majority were only parrots. Only parrots. “Only parrots!?!” See what this game has done to me? There were kaka and vasa parrots there. I don’t know who I am anymore. And it was made all the more devastating when I got back to the hotel and saw Vision’s enormous haul from Czechia. I think we have our winner, alas.

The zoo changes form and character rather abruptly once you climb up the hill past the parrot aviaries. Up to that point you are in something that is more what one might expect to find in the garden of an eccentric English nobleman with a love of biology: rare plants, insects, birds, fish and reptiles, and all (or almost all) in enclosures that might be considered high-end, but not out of the ordinary in a private collection, and surrounded by classical formal gardens and architectural follies. It was in one of those follies – the Moorish house, I think it was called, with a few finch aviaries surrounding it – that I had one of my most incongruous, but delightful zoo experiences ever. A fellow was seated in there, wearing a Wilhelma vest (staff or volunteer, I don’t know), and when I entered he started singing in a pitch perfect tenor voice. The acoustics were perfect, and I stayed for two full songs, and though he didn’t speak English I did my best to convey my appreciation. It’s about the furthest thing I could have imagined I’d get in a zoo visit, but I’m glad I did: it will most certainly be my most lingering memory of Wilhelma.

I didn’t mind the modernist gibbon cage *too* much – it’s an excellent height and there’s plenty of material for the gibbons to work with, which makes up for the architecture, which is so out of kilter with Wilhelma’s surroundings up to that point that it feels like a continuity error in a film, as if Game of Thrones producers had forgotten to edit a Dubrovnik souvenir shop out of a Kings Landing street scene. But it’s functional and it’ll do. The very similar orangutan enclosure is now empty, but it looks dysfunctional and wouldn’t do at all.

Everything up the hill is a standard, mostly reasonable but rarely remarkable mid-tier zoo, and for that reason I’m going to zip through it all pretty quick. There are some quite too small exhibits here for tigers and snow leopards, a dreadful concrete confection for a polar bear and a small and dated elephant yard, which together make up the worst features of the zoo. The good news, though, is that a new snow leopard exhibit is currently underway, and going by the zoo’s more recent efforts – a very good complex for bonobos and gorillas, and perhaps the brown bear exhibit – what they come up with should be pretty good. The elephants looked, to my decidedly untrained eye, fairly old, and I wonder if the plan isn’t simply to not replace them when they die. Everything else was neither here nor there, though I thought it was just plain bizarre that half of the giraffe paddock is covered in gravel. Why on earth?

I’m not sure Wilhelma should be thought of as a single zoo, though of course it is. The difference between the ‘garden’ exhibits and those in the ‘zoo’ isn’t that stark, really: both fall into that broad swathe of territory best summarised as ‘it’ll do’. But the setting is enough to give them very, very different feels. I’m glad I went, but I’m not sure I’ll feel a strong pull to go back.
 
zoo connoisseurs (I think that’s me, @lintworm, would you agree?)

Possible, though Connoisseurs often love Wilhelma (not so much as the Goliaths though :p). Wilhelma is a bit of a love-it or hate-it zoo.

I didn’t mind the modernist gibbon cage *too* much – it’s an excellent height and there’s plenty of material for the gibbons to work with, which makes up for the architecture, which is so out of kilter with Wilhelma’s surroundings up to that point that it feels like a continuity error in a film, as if Game of Thrones producers had forgotten to edit a Dubrovnik souvenir shop out of a Kings Landing street scene. But it’s functional and it’ll do. The very similar orangutan enclosure is now empty, but it looks dysfunctional and wouldn’t do at all.

As far as I am aware there are still 3 orang utans left in the building, that previously also held gorilla, chimpanzee and bonobo....

and perhaps the brown bear exhibit

Which interestingly is the same age as the polar bear enclosure...

The elephants looked, to my decidedly untrained eye, fairly old,

They are, I think both are in the range of 50-60 years. A huge new enclosure is planned on the site of the children zoo, bison and takin enclosures, but will probably only be ready in the next 5-10 years. It will include a nocturnal house though. The elephant enclosure will be given to the rhinos next door.
 
I think,in regard to Berlin and Hamburg,that we managed to clear the air concerning differences of opinion.Ive a busy day with no time for a prolonged response , but basically i disagree with almost everything CG has to say about Stuttgart.If that is an "ordinairy "zoo then i cant wait to see the brilliant ones(because i dont know which they could be).Vive la difference i suppose.
 
I loved the ambience of the garden section, Tim. It's just that most of the enclosures themselves were neither here nor there. :)
 
I very much enjoy Stuttgart, and would swap it for any British zoo, including Chester, without hesitation. The beautiful grounds, the breadth of the collection, the aquarium and reptile house (which I think are possibly better than @CGSwans gives credit for!), some of the mammal exhibits, the sense of this being a "real" zoo - excellent. However. I'd agree that there are a number of areas that are a bit dodgy - the various pachyderm enclosures are somewhat limited, most of the big cats are presented fairly unappealingly, the old primate houses are no longer fit for their purpose (although I do think the new Ape House is rather impressive). I have felt, on visits over the past decade or so, that Stuttgart has looked a bit unloved in corners: old signs not replaced, litter allowed to accumulate, basic cleaning not undertaken. It may have been that I have been unfortunate to visit on bad days, but one of the things I love about German zoos is the sense of their being immaculate - which is something I don't always feel here.
 
....basically i disagree with almost everything CG has to say about Stuttgart.If that is an "ordinairy "zoo then i cant wait to see the brilliant ones.....

Obviously we're all entitled to our own opinions but I must add that Stuttgart is one of my very favourite zoos; personally, I consider it my third favourite German zoo after the two Berlin collections and it would probably feature in my top five European zoos.
 
Back
Top