CGSwans flies north for the winter

I came to this thread looking for my own top ten, but this quote jumped out at me. Do you think Ostrava is elevating itself enough that the 'Czech Four' will become five?

In time, I think it will. Ostrava's new developments show a good line in thoughtful design, both visually and in terms of animal husbandry, and also have the usual Czech touch of zoo nerd pleasing species. There's a still a way to go, but the time's a-coming. It's certainly catching (or has already caught) Dvur and will closing in on Zlin before long (although Zlin, of course, has plans of its own!).
 
Before coming here I'd eaten a meal at a vegan restaurant the night before and spotted a poster mentioning the Barcelona Zoo. Curious, I asked what it was about and between my non-existent Spanish and the waiter's scarce English we established that it was a petition for changes to the zoo - though not, apparently, for its closure - to make it more scientifically-focused and to improve animal welfare. I'm 100% on board with that, though I wasn't going to sign a petition I couldn't read. When I got to the zoo the next day I confess I couldn't really tell what they were on about. It's a surprisingly good zoo.

Sounds very much like this campaign has reared it's head once again and shown it's true colours..... imagine you are glad you didn't sign now!
 
Zoo #6 - Madrid Zoo and Aquarium, Spain, 21/03/2017

Having visited the place today, here seems a good place to jot down a note or two:

I enjoyed Madrid rather more than you did, but it's certainly not winning any awards - overall it is a firm "hmm it's okay I suppose" from me. Seeing the Iberian Lynx a definite highlight. You weren't kidding about the baboons :p more of them on that rock than fleas on a stray dog!
 
If the dolphins have access to their show pool outside show times then they too have a good space available, though if they are confined to the pens behind it then they certainly don't. The other marine mammal exhibits were the belugas and walrus. Belugas had the biggest tank I've seen them in, though I do feel the jury is out on whether they have an adequate space *anywhere*, including here. The walrus were quite active, which was good. Add sea otters and polar bears here and they have the full set of ABSeas.

My overall assessment is that Oceanografic pips Lisbon as the best so-called 'aquarium' I've been to - especially given the impending destruction of Lisbon's best exhibit - though that might be more a statement on how it improves on the aquarium format than anything else. It is simply a must visit.

Out of interest: how many beluga exhibits had you seen at this point? (I'm pretty sure none after this)

And I think you have done so elsewhere but could you reprise your world aquarium rankings for us? The top ones anyway.
 
My overall assessment is that Oceanografic pips Lisbon as the best so-called 'aquarium' I've been to - especially given the impending destruction of Lisbon's best exhibit - though that might be more a statement on how it improves on the aquarium format than anything else. It is simply a must visit

Expect my personal feedback on this point soon enough ;) he says whilst on a sleeper train to Lisbon.
 
Out of interest: how many beluga exhibits had you seen at this point? (I'm pretty sure none after this)

Hmm. Georgia Aquarium, SeaWorld San Diego, Port of Nagoya Aquarium.

I can’t remember now if I saw them at Moskvarium. I know they have them behind the scenes at Moscow Zoo, but to my regret I didn’t attempt to make any arrangements.

And I think you have done so elsewhere but could you reprise your world aquarium rankings for us? The top ones anyway.

I’ve never really bedded it down. There’s a top tier that includes Valencia (which I gave my top ranking to, and that stands), Lisbon and Osaka. Copenhagen, Atlanta, Singapore and Moscow would make up the second tier, with my dear-departed pre-Merlin Sydney Aquarium perhaps just at the edge of that group. I adored Sumida, as you know, but it’s not really comparable due to the size difference.
 
It's a gem, and a terrible, terrible shame that it will be dismantled in September. Amano deserves to be recognised as one of the great exhibit designers.

Full thoughts anon, but a note - this exhibit is still there as of today :) or possibly has been reinstated?

Oh, and I saw the lynx at the zoo ;)
 
The aquarium features a temporary exhibition hall. I'm not sure I like that for displays of living animals, especially fish, as it means the wholesale destruction of their environment. But the current exhibition, which has been here for a little over two years, is truly exceptional. It's an aquascaped tank designed by Takashi Amano, who died only a few months after it was built so it must be one of his last creations. I'd first been exposed to this type of aquarium at Sumida in Tokyo (which I unfortunately never got around to writing up but ranks in the top five I've ever been to), but this tank in Lisbon is on another level. It must be 20m long, and in a video playing in the room Amano says he expects the finished product to be the most beautiful he had ever created. I hope he got a chance to see it before he died.

The fish in these tanks are just common pet shop freshwater species (mostly tetras, at Lisbon) but the species isn't the point, it's the beauty of the overall exhibit. It's mesmerising, and it's made better by the fact that this is truly a living environment for the fish. I've often wondered if a zoo exhibit can be so large and complex that the inhabitants have no concept of their captivity. I don't know, but if ever that is achievable I think this tank is the one that does it. It's a gem, and a terrible, terrible shame that it will be dismantled in September. Amano deserves to be recognised as one of the great exhibit designers.

As if you need another reason to regret not visiting Faunia, my visit last week revealed there is a Takashi Amano exhibit there, too :P

Whilst I think on, a few more thoughts on Zoo Lisbon and the Oceanario; first things first, I really liked both collections! As regards the latter, it was definitely refreshing to see a well-done aquarium which escaped the identikit pitfalls of the SeaLife chain and which displayed a wide variety of unusual and more commonplace species in suitable environs. I'd be hard pushed to decide whether this is the best aquarium I have visited or Valencia Oceanografic (visited later in my trip) as the two collections rather complement one another in terms of excelling where the other falls short :P

As for the zoo, it quite possibly benefited from being seen a day after I visited Zoo Madrid which (as noted previously) I enjoyed more than you, but which wasn't exactly amazing :p there was a lot of building work underway, especially in the various exhibits for larger hoofstock, so I probably didn't see Zoo Lisbon at its best, but even so it beat Madrid hands-down. The exhibit complex for Iberian Lynx was excellent - as it is currently not represented in the gallery, I have taken copious photographs for illustrative purposes and may post a thread on the subject anon.
 
Some thoughts on the Valencia collections now:

Zoo #7 - Oceanografic, Spain, 28/03/2017

I don't much like doubling up zoo visits on the same day, as you are inevitably over-conscious of whether you are leaving enough time for everything. This can have a particularly detrimental effect on whichever collection goes first. It was Oceanografic that drew that short straw for my one and only day available in Valencia. And I do indeed wish I had spent more time there, as I could have done. Because this is an excellent zoo.

I did things the other way round, visiting the Bioparc first and Oceanografic second, but I don't think either collection suffered through being done in the same day - partially because I deliberately timed my visit for a Saturday, when the latter collection is open until 8pm rather than 6pm and hence I was able to afford a little more time there, partially because the Bioparc really didn't take all that long and partially because I had carefully planned my day to allow for time at both collections *and* the long, long walk between them.

Most of it is a large, (I think interconnected) series of lakes for ducks and pelicans. It looks like a great, biologically active space for them - it's thoroughly over-run with aquatic plants - but I wonder if some of that area couldn't have been used to provide larger exhibits for the Humboldt's penguins and perhaps the sea lions, but particularly the penguins.

This is one aspect which really, REALLY benefited from my visiting Oceanografic second, and on a day where it was possible to remain beyond sunset - when we left the Arctic Dome for the final time (having finished the collection with an hour or so to spare, and hence decided to sit watching the belugas for a while before setting off for our train), every single conceivable bit of freshwater on the site was teeming with calling - and copulating - Iberian Green Frogs, and the skies were filled with various bat species feeding on the evening insect population which was hovering over the water :p

My overall assessment is that Oceanografic pips Lisbon as the best so-called 'aquarium' I've been to - especially given the impending destruction of Lisbon's best exhibit - though that might be more a statement on how it improves on the aquarium format than anything else. It is simply a must visit.

As noted above, I'm hard pushed to pick between them - so they both get the title for me :) though I suspect that given the fact the Lisbon exhibit you cite has *not* been destroyed your opinion may well be reversed from that of the time.

Zoo #8 - Bioparc Valencia, Spain, 28/03/2017

I had allowed four hours here after leaving Oceanografic and before catching my train out of Valencia. Two could have been sufficient.

Yep, I reckon that is more or less accurate - it took us about 2.5 hours, but this includes the congestion throughout the great ape complex caused by the rush of visitors wanting to see the newborn twin chimpanzees :P

Curiously, had I gone through here before 2PM I could have gone in on my own, but in the afternoon they switch to having hourly guided tours of the exhibit, so I had to return to it about 45 minutes after first trying to get in.

This policy seems to no longer be active, with the exhibit labelled as being open throughout the day.

There were quite a few exhibits in which highly active and intelligent species had virtually nothing to do: the gorillas, chimpanzees and especially mandrills were notable cases of this, but it even extended into various ungulate exhibits.

The chimpanzee exhibit was indeed not great, but I actually rather liked the complex of exhibits for gorillas.

Overall, given my general dislike for overly-themed exhibits and collections, I enjoyed the Bioparc rather a lot more than I expected :) certainly I enjoyed it more than I did Hannover, which is the collection I often see it being compared to. Not in a hurry to return, mind you.
 
Length of zoo visits of our intrepid explorer:

Dubai Aquarium:
2 hours
Al Ain Zoo: 4 hours
Aquario Vasco da Gama: 45 minutes
Lisbon Zoo: 4 hours
Lisbon Oceanarium: 2 hours
Madrid Zoo: 3 hours
Oceanografic: 3.5 hours
Bioparc Valencia: 2 hours
Barcelona Zoo: 4 hours

For the sake of comparison and completion (and including two collections CGSwans omitted)......

Lisbon Zoo: 4 hours
Lisbon Oceanarium: 3 hours
Madrid Zoo: 5 hours
Faunia: 5 hours
Oceanografic: 4 hours
Bioparc Valencia: 2.5 hours
Barcelona Zoo: 4 hours
Barcelona Aquarium: 1.5 hours

It is worth noting that it didn't take the full 5 hours to see Madrid Zoo properly - we managed it in about 4 - but we had a few revisits to sit and watch Iberian Lynx throughout the day ;)
 
Just had a repeat read-through of this thread and thought I'd note that since it was posted I have now visited 12/15 of @CGSwans top European collections :)
 
Ostrava's new developments show a good line in thoughtful design, both visually and in terms of animal husbandry, and also have the usual Czech touch of zoo nerd pleasing species. There's a still a way to go, but the time's a-coming. It's certainly catching (or has already caught) Dvur and will closing in on Zlin before long (although Zlin, of course, has plans of its own!).

Given the fact that I have visited both Ostrava and Dvur for the first time over the last few days, I would tend to argue that the former collection has not caught up to Dvur quite yet - despite the presence of a mind-blowingly good bear/langur exhibit!
 
Just had a repeat read-through of this thread and thought I'd note that since it was posted I have now visited 12/15 of @CGSwans top European collections :)

At the time it was posted I'd been to all except Beauval. I've now been to all of them. And although I can't say that line-up would necessarily be exactly my choice of 15, there's very little in that set of 15 to argue with.
 
Well, @CGSwans , you finished posting your Top 15 European Zoos list on February 4th, 2018, after your eventful jaunt across the continent. A couple of years might not be a great deal of time for you to reassess your rankings, but we all seem to have a little time on our hands these days. :p

Obviously Zurich's Lewa-Savanne looks to be fantastic, with something like 14 acres for giraffes, rhinos, zebras, various antelope, hyenas and some smaller animals in a gorgeous setting. However, you weren't keen on the Great Ape House and it's still there in all its glory. I wonder if the new African Savanna zone would be enough to prod Zurich a little higher?

One possible major movement to your 'charts' would be Beauval in 15th place. Shortly after your visit in 2017 the exhibit complex called Land of the Lions officially opened (lions, African wild dogs, meerkats, naked mole rats), then in 2018 a 1.5-acre cheetah exhibit, a new wolf exhibit and a new brown bear enclosure all opened at the zoo. The year 2019 saw Tasmanian devils added, as well as an 800-meter long gondola/cable car ride that goes across the zoo. Finally, the Equatorial Dome opened in 2020 with more than 200 species, including the likes of manatees (a dozen of them!), pygmy hippos, giant otters, false gharials, possibly douc langurs and harpy eagles, etc. I'd estimate that all of the new additions to Beauval would likely add on at least an hour or two to an average zoo visit. This is obviously all hypothetical, but I wonder if Beauval would surge up to 6th or 7th on your list if you could visit them all again next month?

1- Chester
2- Burgers
3- Zurich
4- Berlin
5- Prague
6- Munich
7- Berlin Tierpark
8- Rotterdam
9- Nuremberg
10- Frankfurt
11- Cologne
12- Vienna
13- Plzen
14- Leipzig
15- Beauval
 
It's quite possible that Beauval would move up, though it's speculative until I've seen the new exhibits for myself. Beauval's ranking here reflects that, for all it has all the components of a 'great' zoo, the whole somehow feels less than the sum of its parts. There's something intangible missing from Beauval, and the closest I can get to labelling it is 'soul'.

The one ranking that I'd perhaps reconsider is Munich, though I'd need to go again to be sure. It was a funny day, my Munich visit - I thought I was becoming sick again and so I went on a public holiday and rather rushed the visit. Elements of the zoo stick out in my memory as fantastic, but I'm no longer sure the zoo as a whole is better than some of those below it.

I'm also very eager to see both Rotterdam and Leipzig in better circumstances than my respective visits. And, well, let's be honest - I want to go back to all of these places.
 
Certainly I suspect that a revisit might bump Prague up a few places!

And of course, you need to revisit Chester so you can see that Giant Otter exhibit you missed by days.
 
Certainly I suspect that a revisit might bump Prague up a few places!

And of course, you need to revisit Chester so you can see that Giant Otter exhibit you missed by days.

I'm pretty confident in the placement of the first five, at least as the respective zoos were in the northern summer of 2017.
 
I'm pretty confident in the placement of the first five, at least as the respective zoos were in the northern summer of 2017.

It's certainly a tight one - but I do wonder how your ranking of the place would benefit from seeing it when not sleep-deprived and enduring a pretty horrific heatwave, as was the case then.
 
A gang of Zoochatters, myself included, did the NHM in Vienna in the afternoon after Haus des Meeres in the morning. We were eventually asked to leave by a security guard as they needed to close. It's a great museum. Some nice rare mounted specimens and more meteorites than I ever needed to see..!

I did the NHM in Vienna at opening time in the morning, saw just a minimal part of it (only paleontological part and the start of invertebrates) and was asked to leave because museum is closing in the afternoon, with my camera battery fully empty. I had to return other day for see the remaining zoology sections when again I have been here from opening time to closing time and battery empty, filled two 15G memory cards and still left some things for see, but fortunately very few (the gastropods, bivalves, hemipterans, mantids and cockroaches, basically).

An all this despite having skipped intentionally the minerals, rocks, meteorites and planetarium sections.

After leaving for second time, I've learned that this museum houses the largest on-show collection of all the natural history museums of the whole world.
 
So nice, that you are back in Europe @CGSwans :) Is travelogue coming ?

Great question. :) And one I don’t have a satisfying answer to other than ‘sort of’, which is why I’m answering it here.

So, as close followers of the global and European challenge threads such as Twilighter will already be aware, I am back in my favourite continent (at least for zoos - the “football” here is much less exciting, and I’m yet to brave the terror of a northern winter).

What I haven’t yet mentioned is that I’m here until late September. Not quite the 200 day epic of 2017 documented in this thread, but still a very welcome and overdue prolonged break.

You might recall that I was in the US, starting out on a planned 12-month North America sojourn that began in… March 2020. Two weeks later, I was back home, along with pretty much everybody else in the world. Thankfully, I was able to cancel my leave of absence from work and, all things considered, I had a pretty good pandemic. The money I didn’t spend in America came in handy for buying a home, once covid lockdowns eased slightly I was able to explore parts of Australia I’d never visited (Perth, North Queensland, Tasmania and New Zealand), working from home was great for my personal well-being and, most precious of all, I was able to reclaim my beloved dog from my parents, who had taken her in when I no longer had suitable accommodation many years before. Spending nearly all of Lucy’s last three years with her each day was probably the best thing that’s ever happened.

But I was overdue a break, which I have the fortunate luxury of being able to once again negotiate with my employer. Initially, when it became clear the middle of 2024 would be the best time to try again, I planned a do-over of sorts in America. But two things dissuaded me. The costs of travel in the US seem to have sky-rocketed since the pandemic and haven’t yet recovered any sort of equilibrium, and getting around America when you don’t drive is just *hard*. I want this particular trip to be easy, not hard.

So, Europe. Familiar territory, with decent infrastructure to make travel easy and efficient. This time I’ve got a Eurail global pass and, while I have a loose plan, it’s definitely not a fixed itinerary, and if I start to find I’m not getting full value from zoo visits I could very well just junk the plan and go sit on a beach for a while instead. For now I’m 5 days in and have spent today riding trains more or less at random around the Black Forest. I could live here, I think.

Another thing that I find hard, not easy, at the moment is writing. I do want to document this trip somehow, but the format I had in this thread seven years ago, of short essays about every zoo, with all the perceived pressure to keep producing fresh, interesting takes on the same basic genre of ‘zoo review’ just doesn’t really appeal to me this time.

What I’m going to try to do instead is a weekly round up, with short observations about collections visited that week. If I find it enjoyable I’ll keep it up. If I don’t, I won’t. I’m going to use this thread because I want anything I manage to write about this trip to be thought of as a coda to a revisited classic, rather than a n almost inevitably disappointing sequel.

All that said… the trip started with a leisurely, roughly six hour return visit to Frankfurt. I remember rating it as the tenth best zoo I visited in 2017, and as the best in its class of ‘small urban zoos’ - the sort with lots of classic architecture and historically too many animals on not enough hectares. Yet somehow Frankfurt manages to pack nearly all the big mammal ABCs (elephants and, as of late last year, rhinos the exceptions) into just 11 hectares, and nothing feels overcrowded or under-stimulated. The carnivore exhibits, in particular, remain world-class, albeit the lions and part of the spectacled bear habitats are currently undergoing renovations.

What makes Frankfurt iconic and such a rewarding place to come back to, though, is the great houses. Grzimek’s display quality isn’t perfect but it’s pretty good, and the collection remains sublime. Headlined, of course, by those aye-ayes. If what I saw them getting up to is a reliable guide, look out for news of another birth soon. I made three trips through Grzimek in total, rewarded by a great start to the European challenge.

The Exotarium presents a quandary. The building itself looks tired and in need of a refresh, but the exhibits - especially all the established tanks on the aquarium level - are absolute gems and I don’t want them to change a thing. I can’t quite say the same for the bird house, I’m afraid. I just never warmed to seeing birds behind glass in 2017, and seven years later I think I like it even less. Take down the windows, install netting or mesh wire according to individual species’ needs as in Berlin, and it would be one of the great European bird exhibits again.

I’m not sure if it was always like this and I just don’t remember or didn’t notice, but if not then most of the formal garden beds around the zoo have been transformed into native European meadow habitats for pollinators. It’s a great example of a zoo putting conservation values into direct action.

Oh. And one last thing. Being in the ape house when the bonobos get into a screaming match over fresh vegetables (one bonobo made off with no fewer than four sweet potatoes, another monopolised the capsicum) is a great way to go deaf.

Two days later, I braved patchily bad weather for my first ‘new’ zoo of the trip, Opel-Zoo in Kronberg, in the country outside of Frankfurt. Kronberg, as I will call it because I don’t really know what an ‘Opel’ zoo is, is a perfectly satisfactory second tier German zoo: not an essential visit but certainly a pleasant one.

The field exhibits, and especially the ones for deer and mouflon in the forest section up the hill (best viewed from a mulch track behind the paddocks), are precisely what I like to see most: simple barriers, lots of space, plenty of greenery. The overall effect is to show what Krefeld might become if it had Nuremberg’s ambition, but still had Krefeld’s budget. Collection-wise, the clear standouts were the striped hyenas, especially one hyena who was very much engaged with visitors. Especially small visitors, who had no idea why the nice big dog-like creature was staring at them quite so intensely.

Small visitors and the parents who take them to the zoo are clearly Kronberg’s core target demographic. Bags of carrots are available at the entrance and it’s obvious many of the hoofed animals, as well as the elephants, are accustomed to getting fed and spend much of their time begging at fences, which felt unfortunate. Elsewhere the zoo is full of family-friendly gimmicks like playgrounds and even sideshow games, but the zoo does a great job of separating out the fun fair elements from the zoo ones.

Rounding out this (hopefully) first instalment of this mini-reboot is Heidelberg Zoo. I’ve never been here before, but it already had a place in my heart because my partner and I used to live, and she still works, in Heidelberg (the Melbourne suburb). The Australian version has less masterpiece Renaissance architecture and more fish and chip shops - I’ll leave it up to you to decide what you prefer.

What both Heidelbergs have, as well as Kronberg for that matter, is dogs on leads everywhere. I’m not sure I’ll ever get used to seeing dogs in zoos, and I was most astonished that one golden retriever was loyally following his owner, a zookeeper, on his keeping round! Maybe it was ‘Bring your pet to work day’? Anyway, I’m a confirmed dog person so they’re a welcome addition as far as I’m concerned. A group of coati at Kronberg might disagree, as a golden retriever took exception to them and its barking caused the coatis to repeatedly freeze, then scatter. I’ve thought a bit about this and I think it’s fine, actually: it’s not a bad thing for zoo animals to have their predator-awareness skills kept up to date while being perfectly safe in practice.

Heidelberg is another classic old city zoo that wears its wrinkles well. The highlight, apart from crowned sifakas, is clearly the bird collection, including such personal favourites as Papuan and rufous hornbills, and a pleasing range of (mostly) tropical species. The best part is there are three walk-through aviaries, focusing on South American rainforest species, Inca terms and a smattering of other waterfowl, and a second waterfowl aviary containing the inevitable Waldrapp ibises. I haven’t missed those ugliest of all bin chickens.

The first of the three walk-through was for Inca terns and was themed around a fisherman’s hut and small lighthouse, immediately bringing to mind the old seal and penguin coast exhibit at Bristol, which I never got to see. For the rest of the visit, I thought of Heidelberg as my surrogate Bristol, and I have no idea how accurate that is really but I liked the notion and I’m keeping it.

As I progressed through the zoo I noticed that it didn’t seem to have coped very well with rain earlier in the day, prior to my arrival, and I had to dodge and occasionally climb around puddles to access exhibits. But I managed to navigate just fine, even as the rain began to return in fits and starts.

Now, I want to say something about immersion - perhaps one of the most misused phrases in the zoo lexicon. For a while everything was an ‘immersion’ exhibit, from genuine technical masterpieces like Masoala to a mock rock ‘banyan tree’ in an African Savannah. I don’t dislike the concept - I think in the rare occasions where it’s done properly it has produced some of the very best exhibits in the world - but I’ve never bought into its central conceit, that it can cause a visitor to ‘forget’ they are in a zoo in a western city and imagine themselves transported to the tropics.

Heidelberg is a zoo of wood and wire, stately, if weathered, buildings and formal gardens in full spring bloom - about the closest it gets to the immersion concept is stands of bamboo here and there. But on the afternoon and evening of my visit it had a trick up its sleeve. At first I ignored the rumbling thunder, thinking it sounded far off enough not to be a worry, but as I was luckily approaching my last exhibits - a dated ape house and nearby old world monkeys house - a flash appeared. “Blitz!”, a number of Germans all exclaimed at the same time, and then the thunder was quite simply the loudest I’d ever heard. As the heavens opened, for once I really did feel transported from a western city to the equator.

It didn’t last long, and after huddling with a couple of dozen Germans under an only somewhat leaky dining marquee (with some hastily purchased pommes frites to justify my place in the semi-dry), I was able to finish the zoo after about 20 minutes of torrential downpour. The rain had put both me and a Roloway monkey in a mood, so we spent a few minutes baring our teeth at each other before the monkey got bored and returned to foraging. I think that means I’m the troop leader now.

I briefly attempted to retrace steps back to some exhibits with no-shows earlier in the day, especially the brilliantly named demonic poison dart frog, but the earlier puddles had turned into lakes, and much of the zoo had become impassable. Instead, I gave up and made the most of the post-storm light to wander around the Altstadt. I like Heidelberg very much.
 
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