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So apparently they are just running amusement parks, not scientific institutions. Good to know. One less argument against the anti-zoo lobby.

There is no point in building immersive exhibits if they just misrepresent the habitat of the animals they present. My favourite koala exhibit was at Nagoya Zoo over 30 years ago. The koala sat on it's perch in an air conditioned room surrounded by by a field of orchids in flower. At least it did not lie to it's visitors.

Crocodile Dundee and Australia were set n the Top End savanna. Can't remember Mad Max enough to say where it was set.
No need to be mad (max) at me - I'm just stating the obvious. The conception of "Australia" as a theme is pretty one-dimensional in most non-Australian zoos. Simplistic stereotypical distortions aren't limited to Australia, btw: European and American zoos house way more defunct Safari trucks and crashed planes as well as fake Mayan & pseudoasian temple ruins than there have ever been in the respective countries...
Most of the Mad Max movies take place in desert wasteland.
 
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The ZTL entry for the species specifies the date of import, along with the dates that the two individuals concerned died, and states that the source is direct email communication with the ZTL admin - which is somewhat more concrete than an unsourced claim or one lacking in detail, and hopefully means that @Animal can confirm whether the information came directly from the zoo or not.

Certainly I recall hearing about the (alleged) import at the time, and own a guidebook for Zurich published in summer 2016 which lists the species within the collection.

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If the source is given as direct information, you can take it as very likely. We don't disclose who send information, if the person in question does not want their name out there somewhere.
 
If the source is given as direct information, you can take it as very likely. We don't disclose who send information, if the person in question does not want their name out there somewhere.

Well, I didn't expect you to name anyone :rolleyes::D but it's common to cite whether or not the communication came from someone *at* a collection in question without naming anyone (by the abbreviation MA or phrase Mitarbeiter) so I thought you might be able to clarify whether that would apply here, as the entry currently lacks that abbreviation.

Either way, hopefully @Chlidonias is satisfied with your answer :) given he's the one with doubts about credibility.

Anyway, what are you saying? You don't all live in fairytale castles high up in the alps, and spend your days downing copious quantities of beer? :confused:

Of course, as it happens @Batto is indeed currently based in a rather picturesque region in the foothills of the Alps ;) albeit the Austrian portion!
 
Of course, as it happens @Batto is indeed currently based in a rather picturesque region in the foothills of the Alps ;) albeit the Austrian portion!

Ah yes, Salzburg. I spent one evening at the station there, changing trains on my way from Innsbruck to Florence. Even saw some nuns in the station square, but they did not sing. @Batto was not around then, though.
 
Maybe I rate Munich more highly than anyone else, and I’ll never claim to be one of the more knowledgeable posters here when it comes to the taxonomic rarities of a collection or the finer points of husbandry. But I know a zoo that’s simply a pleasant place to be when I go to one, and Munich is exactly that. It’s somewhere I’d love to have as a home zoo, where I’m not looking for anything in particular on a visit other than to stop by some favourite
Late response but as someone who has Hellabrunn as their local zoo, I pretty much agree with your statement. I didn’t have high expectations about Hellabrunn before since I never heard it get as praised as most other German zoos such as Berlin and Köln. Also hampering my expectations was the small number of reptiles and the bird collection not having many perching birds. Despite that Hellabrunn is still a zoo that I am very thankful for having it as my local zoo.
 
Ah yes, Salzburg. I spent one evening at the station there, changing trains on my way from Innsbruck to Florence. Even saw some nuns in the station square, but they did not sing. @Batto was not around then, though.

He was washing his lederhosen that night.
 
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No need to be mad (max) at me - I'm just stating the obvious. The conception of "Australia" as a theme is pretty one-dimensional in most non-Australian zoos. Simplistic stereotypical distortions aren't limited to Australia, btw: European and American zoos house way more defunct Safari trucks and crashed planes as well as fake Mayan & pseudoasian temple ruins than there have ever been in the respective countries...
Most of the Mad Max movies take place in desert wasteland.
Yes true, but it just astounds me that Zurich Zoo can take such care with some exhibits then just throw together some cliches they must know are incorrect like that.

By the way, Australia has more snow cover than Switzerland in winter. One inhabitant of the Australian Alps is the red-necked wallaby, so they are part way towards an Australian alpine exhibit.
 
Well, I didn't expect you to name anyone :rolleyes::D but it's common to cite whether or not the communication came from someone *at* a collection in question without naming anyone (by the abbreviation MA or phrase Mitarbeiter) so I thought you might be able to clarify whether that would apply here, as the entry currently lacks that abbreviation.

Info/MA = The one adding the source talked to an employee at the collection
pers. Mitt. or Email = Telephone or Email (so most likely very official)
 
Yes true, but it just astounds me that Zurich Zoo can take such care with some exhibits then just throw together some cliches they must know are incorrect like that.
Even the Swiss make mistakes, albeit rarely. Their punishment is severe though - especially when breaking the speed limit. Or dropping the bread into the fondue.
 
Better than dropping a sausage in there too; that would be the Wurst-Käse scenario.
Depending on the cheese/sausage ratio, that might qualify as a Berner Würstel. Or if dropped in Austria, as a Käsekrainer (aka "Eitrige" / Purulent in Vienna).
 
Either way, hopefully @Chlidonias is satisfied with your answer :) given he's the one with doubts about credibility.
Not particularly, no. I'm not saying they either didn't or did have them, but "an email" is just unsourced heresay. Anyone who has followed the American additions to ZTL knows that "email" as a source doesn't mean much for accuracy. Maybe it's real and maybe it's not, but there's no way to say when the only evidence is "an email".
 
Aquatis in Lausanne was somewhere that I had on my long list to visit then removed. However, a visit to the Swiss Alps on the Saturday had unintentionally turned into a mountain hike. I won’t bore you with that story other than to say the Swiss Alps are beautiful and glaciers taste delicious.

My unplanned hike meant that I was looking for a relatively easy last day in Switzerland, so I decided a modestly sized aquarium would be just the thing. Having previously scrubbed Aquatis from my list, it was back on mostly because I didn’t have anything better to do.

Unlike most aquariums, Aquatis focuses mostly on freshwater, with only two tanks, one for the Mediterranean and the obligatory Great Barrier Reef tank representing salt water environments. my heart is with the sea, but luckily, I have grown a lot more interested in freshwater recently, partly because I plan to get a tank – or maybe five - when I get back home. So I was ready to really enjoy Lausanne. And I did, mostly, though I’m not sure it was really worth the roughly $A50 it cost.

The aquarium’s strongest part is the opening section themed around the Rhone River (which flows out of Lake Geneva, on which Lausanne sits), though I didn’t like the repeated use of mirrors and low lighting, which had the effect of repeatedly making me think the space was bigger than it was. There are mostly high quality sections for Africa, Asia and Australia (of which the highlight was the desert crocodile, a species I didn’t even know existed), followed by a really quite dated and disappointing Amazon hall, which made for an underwhelming and abrupt end. I don’t regret going, but I doubt I’d bother again without a major new development.

The next day I crossed into France and stopped over in Mulhouse. At the risk of causing an international incident, Mulhouse still shows traces of its long-lost German heritage, having had its formative period when Alsace was part of the German Empire. It feels like a mid-tier German zoo, with its lush planting (it is also a botanical garden), slight air of being neglect (of structures, not animals) and cast of charismatic rarities, including sifakas, okapis, owl-faced monkeys, sand cats, clouded leopards, yellow-footed rock-wallabies and sadly unseen bush dogs. The wallabies didn’t appear to recognise an Australian accent. The zoo’s great strength is its primate collection, though nearly all are housed in sub-standard, well-furnished but clearly too small exhibits.

One thing made me slightly worry for Mulhouse, which was very quiet on the Monday I visited: I don’t think I’ve ever been in a zoo where so many animals seemed startled to have a visitor. Mulhouse animals stare back.

From Mulhouse, it was on to Besancon. It’s a small zoo with a modest collection, dominated by primates, and with a noticeable crossover with Mulhouse - both house such oddballs as the rock-wallabies and sifakas, making me suspect there’s a close relationship between the two. To be honest, Besancon is mostly an unremarkable zoo, with most enclosures in the main zoo section consisting of wire cages of varying size but otherwise identical design,

Of course it’s more than what amounts to a high-end backyard set-up, because it’s in a CASTLE. FunkyGibbon, reminding himself of where I was headed, asked to confirm that Besancon was ‘Le Dudley’. Almost, but not quite. A zoo in a castle is exponentially cooler than a castle in a zoo

Like any good castle, it does its best to kill you before you get inside. Google Maps wasn’t showing any buses that took me to the gates so I walked, including what felt like a vertical ascent up the north face of Everest. As I was taking a rest and contemplating scratching a last will and testament into the dirt path, a bus passed me on the way up.

Maybe Google could focus on getting transit directions to work properly on Maps before they fiddle around anymore with AI? Just a suggestion.

The citadel - all of it, not just the zoo - is worth the mortality risk . In addition to the animal exhibits, there’s also the castle ramparts (not recommended for the vertigo-inclined) and two museums, of which I only had time for the brilliant Museum of the Resistance and Deportations. Anybody of a historical bent should allow 2 hours in here in addition to the zoo.

There’s honestly not a lot that’s exceptional about the zoo other than its setting, but it’s a pleasant couple of hours. Be careful when visiting to ensure you see everything - there’s exhibits scattered in at least five different areas, including the geladas and Nubian ibex in the front moat and the nocturnal house, aquarium and insectarium (which also houses lots of frogs). The two macropod exhibits are also tucked in different spots to the majority of the outdoor exhibits, and I *think* the zoo is supposed to have colobus monkeys but I never saw them, so maybe I didn’t find everything.

I’m still two zoos behind but this post feels long enough so… more anon.
 
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d. However, a visit to the Swiss Alps on the Saturday had unintentionally turned into a mountain hike. I won’t bore you with that story other than to say the Swiss Alps are beautiful and glaziers taste delicious.

As someone who also went on a pair of (Austrian) Alpine hikes recently, I would be quite interested in hearing that story.

Also, I shall refrain from making any innuendo-filled jokes at your unfortunate typing error in the last sentence ;):p:D
 
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