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Jwer,




I must admit Charly is right. As an aviculturist I kept and bred my share of birds species and although I kept many species my main focus is parrot species. And although we know a lot about behaviour and nutrition there are species that up to this day we cannot keep alive.

A good example the red-cheeked parrot (geoffroyus geoffroyi) a common species who's range goes till the north of Australia where we know quite well what it eats and how it breeds but even in Australia they cannot keep it alive.


So sometimes it s better to give up and don't lose any more animals.
 
After reading kifaru's post I must admit I m less familiar with primates as with birds and that I m not familiar with the history of the douc's in captivity.



to come back to another topic on Cologne, anyone who knows were the budgerigars are coming from that are currently in the Koelner Zoo?
 
You'rer right, to keep them alive, thats the trick, unfortunately, it failed....I've worked to long with animals, to read such a nonsens. Sorry, jewer. There are lot of more species which can't be kept in captivity, belive me that. Elephant Seals, Gerenuks or Pangolins are more really good examples.

You don't know really much about animals or zoos, do you ? So Singapore might be more sucessfully with doucs than european zoos, but also Singapore sends a lot of them across the Jordan.....Too much....

These responses really annoy me. I don't agree with someone so let's just say he doesn't know anything about animals or zoos and leave it at that. The fact you can't even read my name properly says it all really, if you can't debate then don't.

Rediculous.

During the existence of zoos there have been multiple examples of animal species that were hard to keep and hard to breed. But with a lot of species we did manage to do it! We gained enough experience and now we ARE capable to hold them and increase their numbers.

Every animal should be able to be kept, the thing is what is the cost. How much research has to be done and how many animals have to die before you perfect the husbandry and are you willing to invest that much, ultimately, that's the question.

I agree that there are a lot of species that should be abandoned (by which i mean, not kept in captivity) because we don't know enough yet and we are not able to keep them succesfully.

I however feel that there seem to be quite a few Douc langurs in captivity in south-east asia, and there are examples of zoos that seem to do well with them, like the EPRC in Vietnam. If there is a steady stream of poached animals that can't be returned to the wild or if they do really well in south-east asian zoos then i'd rather see western european zoos try and keep them then let them rot at some persons living room cage in Vietnam, or let them end up on the dinner table.

Thanks Kifaru for the support, but i guess he's worked too long with animals to listen to your nonsense too...

to come back to another topic on Cologne, anyone who knows were the budgerigars are coming from that are currently in the Koelner Zoo?

According to the zootierliste site, the animals at Cologne are in fact wild budgerigars imported from Melbourne, and Cologne only sent a part of their stock to Kevelaer, not everything. I'm not sure if this is true, but there's a very high likelyhood.
 
You'rer right, to keep them alive, thats the trick, unfortunately, it failed....I've worked to long with animals, to read such a nonsens. Sorry, jewer. There are lot of more species which can't be kept in captivity, belive me that. Elephant Seals, Gerenuks or Pangolins are more really good examples.

You don't know really much about animals or zoos, do you ? So Singapore might be more sucessfully with doucs than european zoos, but also Singapore sends a lot of them across the Jordan.....Too much....

Youre right with Singapore - but there are 2 or 3 wonderful breeding groups in Dusit Zoo, Bangkok. You are, unfortunately, also right with gerenuks and elephant seals, not certain with pangolins. I dont have enough lnowledge and experience with them.
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A number of Quince monitor lizards ( Varanus melinus) have been recently hatched at Cologne Aquarium - a great success

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A crocodile training just started for the large nile crocs which will become moved to the new " Hippodome"
 
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Los Angeles and Miami...at a minimum...have very successfully bred multiple generations of gerenuk--they are certainly not one of the "impossible" species being discussed here.
 
Also sea elephants can be kept alive and bred as Antwerpen shows. Their female was 27 when she died and she stayed for more then 20 years in Zoo. And their male stayed in the Zoo for 15 years. And they bred one young which was moved to Berlin afterwards.
 
Every animal can be kept in captivity. The real question is; how much time/effort/money can expended at that goal, and how much sacrifices are you willing to take to achieve it? It is not impossible to keep a white shark in captivity, even not if it's adult. All you need is a very large aquarium, and knowledge about it's food and behaviour. The right question is; is it worth the money, and the time put in research and building? I think we all know the answer to that.
 
Gorilla female "Gina" gave birth yesterday, it is her fourth offspring (1990, 1997, 2004, 2010), sire: Kim....
 
They have I think 3 douc's left. The let them stay until they die, and get new ones.

At the moment they have 1.2 left, a mother with her male offspring and a elderly female. There have been rumours that they were trying to get more, but were then unsuccesfull.

Where did you find the information that they'll "get new ones"?
 
2.2 Persian goitered gazelle have arrived at the zoo, to populate the enclosure vacated by western Europes last saiga, the animals came from Hamburg (0.2) and Nuremberg (2.0).
 
are any of the elephant cows pregnant? I've seen a lot of photos on Picasa showing Sang Raja covering almost every adult cow apart from Thi Ha Phyu. Is anything confirmed?
 
And the AquaZoo in Netherlands (part of the Zodiac Zoos) announced that they ll receive red Howlers. Do you know the sex of the animals?
 
1,1 a 5 year old female and a 3 year old male. They have arrived and will be cimbined with the saki's.
 
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