Damian Aspinall
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Like the hybrid rhino EAZA released last year why not ask them ??
Damian Aspinall: You all know my views on zoos prove me wrong
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Two female rhinos are left right? Just making sure “population increasing” also means almost extinct. Also, I know have my snack to sit back and watch
He doesn't specify the northern tho
Damian Aspinall
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white rhino not northern white ...which have increased from a few hundred to 20000 since the 80s
You need to know your stuff here
Still, it counts and needs to be brought up.
I’m mostly going to be staying out of this, but a couple of notes:
1 - if you are Damian, here’s a question I’ve always wanted to ask: you frequently like to point out to your social media followers that London Zoo has tens of thousands of animals on just 36 acres, which pales in comparison to the ratio at both Howletts and Port Lympne of animals to landspace. Do you realise that that total includes small invertebrates, fish and herptiles? Because the way you make it sound is like there are tens of thousands of huge animals in 36 acres....
2 - this forum is a forum about zoos, yes, but I would say that if you want to actually talk to people who work in zoos this is not the place to do it. Zoo enthusiasts are going to be defensive about zoos no matter what because, well, they’re enthusiastic about them. This is a zoo enthusiast forum, not a zookeeper one...there are a lot of people that work with animals that are on this forum but very few that actually use it.
1 - if you are Damian, here’s a question I’ve always wanted to ask: you frequently like to point out to your social media followers that London Zoo has tens of thousands of animals on just 36 acres, which pales in comparison to the ratio at both Howletts and Port Lympne of animals to landspace. Do you realise that that total includes small invertebrates, fish and herptiles? Because the way you make it sound is like there are tens of thousands of huge animals in 36 acres....
2 - this forum is a forum about zoos, yes, but I would say that if you want to actually talk to people who work in zoos this is not the place to do it. Zoo enthusiasts are going to be defensive about zoos no matter what because, well, they’re enthusiastic about them. This is a zoo enthusiast forum, not a zookeeper one...there are a lot of people that work with animals that are on this forum but very few that actually use it.
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Just because it applies to some species does not mean it applies to all.
I was not aware of this, if someone could provide a link I would be interested.
You didn’t really specify, so I went north. If you said south, then I wouldn’t have commented
I feel like that message was moreso meant to disprove Damien's point.
Damian Aspinall
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my point is not enough is done to consider whether a species can be saved in situ not in a zoo
and there is no process to decide this which must be wrong
And why would your employee say anything that contradicts what you claim
Excellent point but one small, pedantic correction. The bison reintroductions, spearheaded by the American Bison Society, were founded at the Bronx Zoo by their first director William T. Hornaday who used to work for the Smithsonian which is probably where the confusion comes from.
But yes, I am still waiting for Mr. Aspinall's suggestions for what we do with all the Kihansi Spray Toads, Panamanian Golden Toads, Wyoming Toads, Partula snails, Mexican splitfins, Mexican Wolf, Red Wolf, Lake Victoria cichlids, Pere David's Deer, Vietnamese Sika, Hawaiian Crows, Guam Kingfishers, Guam Rails, Socorro Doves, Alagoas Curassows, Seychelles Giant Tortoises, Scimitar-Horned Oryx, and many others which only survive today due to human intervention.
Are your own social media posts misquoting you?
Obviously there are examples of animals being saved in-situ, no one said there weren't, however you are STILL ignoring the topic of the animals which do rely on ex-situ conservation, which is the question I asked before you moved the goalpost.
What rhino hybrid? There are no hybrid white rhinos in captivity, there are no hybrid Black rhinos in captivity, and there are no hybrid Indian rhinos in captivity. There aren't any taxa for any of these species to hybridize with so what exactly are you referring to?
~Thylo
Also @Damian Aspinall do not forget that many, if not most, conservation organizations are either directly funded by, or even run by, zoological institutions. You'll be hard-pressed to find a larger and better conservation organization than the Wildlife Conservation Society and the Bronx Zoo.
~Thylo
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Damian Aspinall
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Ahhh but there are hybrid sub species
Damian Aspinall
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true WCS does some great work but it doesn't justify bronx zoo
I dont think this is the point we should focus on tbh. Let's just assume this is Mr. Aspinall and have a discussion. There's no consequences if it's isnt.
Anyway, Mr. @Damian Aspinall , if you are so anti-zoo, why do you own them and why do you still a member of EAZA? Surely you could just exit the membership?
Anyway, Mr. @Damian Aspinall , if you are so anti-zoo, why do you own them and why do you still a member of EAZA? Surely you could just exit the membership?
Bronx zoo is one of the best zoos in the country, and leads a lot of U.S.A conservation projects.
Damian Aspinall
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because he is a decent man and we have written papers with all this information and submitted to the zoo world its out there for you to read
Did I miss something?
Damian Aspinall
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i don't own them there are owned by a foundation and i have stated publicly that i will and am phasing out of them it takes time secondly EAZA is a imperfect organisation that needs to be updated in its thinking and outcomes. Better to do that from the inside
Thank you for the detailed response to my entire post and for answering the questions you've been asked repeatedly. I'm not even sure what the above is supposed to be saying?
Do you believe that the American Bison and the Kihansi Spray Toad would be better off extinct?
~Thylo