Damian Aspinall: You all know my views on zoos prove me wrong

Damian Aspinall said:
i don't own them there are owned by a foundation and i have stated publicly that i will and am phasing out of them it takes time secondly EAZA is a imperfect organisation that needs to be updated in its thinking and outcomes. Better to do that from the inside
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To just get back to actually talking and having a more pretty discussion.

With the current progress you make, how long do you think it will take to be done with your phasing out?
 
Ursus said:
To just get back to actually talking and having a more pretty discussion.

With the current progress you make, how long do you think it will take to be done with your phasing out?
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And then I mean succeeding in your goal for it
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Thank you for the detailed response to my entire post and for answering the questions you've been asked repeatedly. I'm not even sure what the above is supposed to be saying?



Do you believe that the American Bison and the Kihansi Spray Toad would be better off extinct?

~Thylo
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That’s the exact point I made
 
Ursus said:
To just get back to actually talking and having a more pretty discussion.

With the current progress you make, how long do you think it will take to be done with your phasing out?
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honestly it takes time but we have reduced the species we keep as they dies off we have stopped breeding most of the species and the space that leaves creates much better enclosures for the animals
we have dialled up our reintroductions for example we have no javan langurs left they have all gone back to wild (apart from those have a veterinary issue) at one point i think we had 60..
its an on going process
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Thank you for the detailed response to my entire post and for answering the questions you've been asked repeatedly. I'm not even sure what the above is supposed to be saying?



Do you believe that the American Bison and the Kihansi Spray Toad would be better off extinct?

~Thylo
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absolutely no but i believe if efforts were made they could be saved in situ not in zoos
 
Anyways, I'd like to kind of continue back with what I think Damien came here for.

I for one am curious to how you vision the future for each animal at the current zoos. Do you intend to release each species over the course of time?
Is this also possible for each species or are there certain obstacles for species to ovecome.
 
Ursus said:
And then I mean succeeding in your goal for it
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I sincerely hope i can re wild safely as many animals as possible and slowly phase out over the years of the rest. with the exception i passionately believe in recurring animals from bad zoos and circuses etc
 
Damian Aspinall said:
I sincerely hope i can re wild safely as many animals as possible and slowly phase out over the years of the rest. with the exception i passionately believe in recurring animals from bad zoos and circuses etc
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It's really cool to see you also want to help animals who have it bad. I truly admire that.
Would these animals then be put into the current 2 zoos under your name and then later, when possible, be rewilded?
 
Damian Aspinall said:
absolutely no but i believe if efforts were made they could be saved in situ not in zoos
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But... animals went exti-- they went extinct in... how? How can animals that numbers only a handful and better yet those who went extinct in the wild entirely be saved in-situ?

If you are unaware, the Bronx Zoo is currently doing some excellent work attempting to find new suitable habitat in Tanzania for their toads, seeing as their native range no longer exists.

There are many, many, many factors here which I am sure a man so highly involved in conservation knows that you are ignoring here. I would also appreciate it if you would respond to all of the questions and comments you have been ignoring, if you really are here for a real conversation.

~Thylo
 
Ursus said:
It's really cool to see you also want to help animals who have it bad. I truly admire that.
Would these animals then be put into the current 2 zoos under your name and then later, when possible, be rewilded?
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depends on the animals but in reality most animals in these conditions are not able to be re wilded but i would if i could
 
I think no matter if real or not this was one pf the most interesting discussions i have read on here so far

goodness a new entry every second
might miss something while i write this

zoo chat meant a plattform to meet other people interested in zoos and i have learned a lot for example that the community is a spectrum
i learned not generalize and see such preoccupations mean a threat

it is not that all species thrive in captivity
but neither do all suffer
even within species there can be tremendous differences

look at why do zoos exist
it does not matter what i or another person or even group d like to be reality

i let everbody have their opinion as long as their view does not impct another creature in a negative what did happen with some that actually intended to help
mistakes might happen but i d like to see both sides of the spectrum more flexible

i support every conservation and believe in challenging ur view
i do see some extremes on both sides
i think it is up to the middle to shape a real solution both parties might be able to find a common ground
 
ThylacineAlive said:
But... animals went exti-- they went extinct in... how? How can animals that numbers only a handful and better yet those who went extinct in the wild entirely be saved in-situ?

If you are unaware, the Bronx Zoo is currently doing some excellent work attempting to find new suitable habitat in Tanzania for their toads, seeing as their native range no longer exists.

There are many, many, many factors here which I am sure a man so highly involved in conservation knows that you are ignoring here. I would also appreciate it if you would respond to all of the questions and comments you have been ignoring, if you really are here for a real conversation.

~Thylo
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This is definitely real. It is so perfectly reasonable that Damion Aspinall went out of his way to find a zoo forum and make an account to have people change his opinion on something he feels strongly about. ;) Why don't we just bring @ Carole Baskin into this conversation. :p If this is real, then if we shut down every zoo let's make a list of animals that would be extinct:
  • Amur Leopard
  • Black-footed Ferret
  • California Condor
  • European Bison
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Mexican Wolf
  • Pere David's Deer
  • Przewalski's Horse
  • Red Wolf
  • Scimitar Oryx
  • Wyoming Toad
 
Damian Aspinall said:
I sincerely hope i can re wild safely as many animals as possible and slowly phase out over the years of the rest. with the exception i passionately believe in recurring animals from bad zoos and circuses etc
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The important keyword is "safely". Do you consider the chance that the animals you release to the wild could be dead, either by natural or human factors? There are still a lot of poaching around the world, not to mention disease and stuff. How can you ensure the safety of those in the wild?
 
my point is they could of been saved without zoos if people had tried.
Please what questions am i not answering it is not my intention
Bronx zoo is still not justified..you only need to look at the many millions they waste on terrible enclosures when that money could support the wild
 
aardvark250 said:
The important keyword is "safely". Do you consider the chance that the animals you release to the wild could be dead, either by natural or human factors? There are still a lot of poaching around the world, not to mention disease and stuff. How can you ensure the safety of those in the wild?
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really good question ..
We spend a huge amount of effort when we re introduce the animals and so far we have not lost an animal to poachers. our survival rate of released animals is first class
 
Fignewton said:
This is definitely real. It is so perfectly reasonable that Damion Aspinall went out of his way to find a zoo forum and make an account to have people change his opinion on something he feels strongly about. ;) Why don't we just bring @ Carole Baskin into this conversation. :p If this is real, then if we shut down every zoo let's make a list of animals that would be extinct:
  • Amur Leopard
  • Black-footed Ferret
  • California Condor
  • European Bison
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Mexican Wolf
  • Pere David's Deer
  • Przewalski's Horse
  • Red Wolf
  • Scimitar Oryx
  • Wyoming Toad
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or could of been saved without zoos and lets list the thousands of species that are not rare or viable
 
Damian Aspinall said:
my point is they could of been saved without zoos if people had tried.
Please what questions am i not answering it is not my intention
Bronx zoo is still not justified..you only need to look at the many millions they waste on terrible enclosures when that money could support the wild
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AZA zoos are recommended to donate at least 3% of their funding towards conservation... Sooooo that's about at least 7 million for the Bronx Zoo.
 
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