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jusko88

jusko88

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Do you think any U.S. zoo will ever exhibit these animals? Eastern Gorilla,Indri,Tarsier,Golden Snub Nosed Monkey,Giant Armadillo,Dugong,Javan Rhinoceros,Dingiso,Platypus,Leopard Seal & I know San Diego zoo has come out and said Tasmanian Devil but do you think they will exhibit them?
 
Yes to the Tasmanian devil. Maybe to the golden snub-nosed monkey (if China is ever to be trusted on the issue).
 
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Tassie devil will most likely be exhibited in the US again, golden snub-nosed monkeys are possible. I think tarsiers and giant armadillos are in the realm of possibility, but unlikely. The rest are even more unlikely, but never say never.
 
i wonder if any aquarium will ever try to exhibit deep sea animals like dumbo octopus,Gulper eel,angler fish, vampire squid.
 
Nope dingiso is a species of tree kangaroo that scientists just discovered bout less than ten years ago. It's the heaviest of all tree kangaroos. It's all black and it was on the documentary film for the first time on wild pacific.
 
jusko88 said:
Nope dingiso is a species of tree kangaroo that scientists just discovered bout less than ten years ago. It's the heaviest of all tree kangaroos. It's all black and it was on the documentary film for the first time on wild pacific.
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That's pretty cool!
 
jusko88 said:
Do you think any U.S. zoo will ever exhibit these animals? Eastern Gorilla,Indri,Tarsier,Golden Snub Nosed Monkey,Giant Armadillo,Dugong,Javan Rhinoceros,Dingiso,Platypus,Leopard Seal & I know San Diego zoo has come out and said Tasmanian Devil but do you think they will exhibit them?
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Let's run down the list and assess the possibilities:

Eastern Gorilla: didn't the last one in the U.S. expire at the Houston Zoo a few years back? I can't imagine that any 21st century U.S. zoo would import eastern lowland gorillas as this would require acquiring them from the wild. I don't see how USFWS would approve importing them. Does anybody?

Indris: can't be kept alive in captivity. Seems like a definite no.

Tarsier: Do any Asian or European zoos have them? Do they survive in captivity, or breed?

Golden monkey: The problem is political, not biological. LA still has an exhibit ready for them (now occupied by Francois langurs).

Giant armadillo: there is an old picture of a pair in the London Zoo in the gallery. Are there any in captivity anywhere? Do they survive in captivity?

Dugong:Are there any in captivity anywhere? Do they survive in captivity? With all of the injured manatees it seems like any zoo or aquarium in the US wanting sirenians would go with our native manatee. Have there ever been any dugongs in US zoos/aquariums?

Javan rhino: given the almost-complete failure of the Sumatran rhino ex-situ breeding program to build a "security" population, I don't see how any moral or sane zoo would try that with Javans. They SHOULD be trying captive breeding in Java if they are doing it anywhere (are they?).

Dingiso: thanks for bringing this cool species to our attention jusko88. Are there any in captivity in New Guinea? Unless they are established there it seems highly unlikely that they would let them be taken anywhere else.

Platypus: Australia apparently has an iron-clad prohibition against their export. The Omaha Zoo tried to get one for their nocturnal exhibit apparently and were rebuffed.

Leopard seal: My understanding is that the only captive one is at the Taronga Zoo in Syndey (is this accurate?). Like eastern lowland gorillas, it seems impossible in the 21st century that any legitimate zoo or aquarium would go out and capture some just to display them. Those days of wild animal capture are (hopefully) over.

I welcome any corrections or contrary opinions to these assessments.
 
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DavidBrown said:
Indris: can't be kept alive in captivity. Seems like a definite no.
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I wouldn't be quite so sure - a lot of other animals have been thought 'impossible' in the past.


DavidBrown said:
Tarsier: Do any Asian or European zoos have them? Do they survive in captivity, or breed?
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They're certainly occasionally in Asian zoos, but I don't know if they breed. There are none in European zoos.


DavidBrown said:
Dugong:Are there any in captivity anywhere? Do they survive in captivity? With all of the injured manatees it seems like any zoo or aquarium in the US wanting sirenians would go with our native manatee. Have there ever been any dugongs in US zoos/aquariums?
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Dugongs are kept in captivity, most famously at Sydney Aquarium - there are quite a few pictures in the gallery that always bring me out in a fit of jealousy! :D


DavidBrown said:
Leopard seal: My understanding is that the only captive one is at the Taronga Zoo in Syndey (is this accurate?). Like eastern lowland gorillas, it seems impossible in the 21st century that any legitimate zoo or aquarium would go out and capture some just to display them. Those days of wild animal capture are (hopefully) over.
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Taronga have two I believe, which I think originated as rescue animals. This is of course a possible source of more animals (Harbour Porpoises have started to breed in a couple of European collections from a population founded by rescues and a third holder has just taken them on).

In addition, there are indeed still animals being taken from the wild for zoos - albeit not usually animals as big as Leopard Seals! I don't have a problem with it if the animals' welfare and their species' wild populations are not endangered by it (which is admittedly not an easy thing to measure). If this were not the case, there would be no possibilty of new species being displayed - species do die out in zoos fairly frequently and if not replaced we'd quickly notice a decrease in diversity (see Australia and exotic tetrapods!).
 
Tim May said:
There was a short-lived dugong in the Steinhart Aquarium, San Francisco, in 1955.
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Thanks Tim. While I have you here, how well did the giant armadillos at the London Zoo do? Did they live very long? Did you ever see them?
 
I just wrote out a reply and then my browser crashed when I clicked send. So I'll keep my thoughts brief:

Indris have bred after being relocated to near-semi-captivity, so maybe captive breeding (if ethically justified) isn't so far off.

As Maguari mentions, tarsiers are kept in several Asian institutions, and several keep them on permanent display. They do breed in captivity and several US zoos have briefly kept them in the past.

Giant armadillo are frequently kept in a few South American zoos. I'm not sure about their current situation but Colombia's bioparque los ocarros tries to keep them on permanent display and has had reasonable success in their husbandry. Roque Sáenz Peña zoo in Argentina is another one which holds them every now and then.

Only about 5-6 dugongs are kept in captivity in Japan, Singapore, Indonesia and Australia. I'm not sure if any interested Chinese/Korean facilities have managed to get hold of any yet.

We're lucky to have a great variety of experts here on zoochat, and there are already a few threads by very knowledgeable people on Javan rhino conservation. I think that ultimately they're not as 'evolutionarily distinct' as Sumatran rhinos, and that their numbers are a bit more stable. As far as I'm aware, there are currently none in captivity.

I don't think there are officially any captive dingiso. Occasionally members of other 'new' tree kangaroo species pop into captivity, e.g. tenkile. Tim Flannery's book, 'Throwim Way Leg' gives brilliant accounts on his discovery of the dingiso and several other species. I can't remember exactly which Dendrolagus species he mentions were kept as captive specimens by local villagers.

I don't really have anything to add to the information about leopard seals and platypus, but you might find the forums an interesting read.

A lot of research is being carried out on the live display of deep-sea creatures, particularly in Japan where the Imperial Family have had a great interest in marine biology (the current Emperor, Akihito, has published ichthyological articles). A new exhibit at the Oceanopolis in France is also encouraging: BBC News - 'Abyss Box' to keep deep animals
 
DavidBrown said:
Indris: can't be kept alive in captivity. Seems like a definite no.

Tarsier: Do any Asian or European zoos have them? Do they survive in captivity, or breed?

Golden monkey: The problem is political, not biological. LA still has any exhibit ready for them (now occupied by Francois langurs).

Dugong:Are there any in captivity anywhere? Do they survive in captivity? With all of the injured manatees it seems like any zoo or aquarium in the US wanting sirenians would go with our native manatee. Have there ever been any dugongs in US zoos/aquariums?

Javan rhino: given the almost-complete failure of the Sumatran rhino ex-situ breeding program to build a "security" population, I don't see how any moral or sane zoo would try that with Javans. They SHOULD be trying captive breeding in Java if they are doing it anywhere (are they?).

Dingiso: thanks for bringing this cool species to our attention jusko88. Are there any in captivity in New Guinea? Unless they are established there it seems highly unlikely that they would let them be taken anywhere else.

Platypus: Australia apparently has an iron-clad prohibition against their export. The Omaha Zoo tried to get one for their nocturnal exhibit apparently and were rebuffed.
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indri: I dont understand though. If you give this species the perfect climate to live in & the space for it to live in I dont see why it would be a problem. But on the other hand maybe the specialized food it eats might be a problem getting it over to the U.S. and the cost. I wonder if the Duke Lemur Center ever thought of bringing them in.

Philippine Tarsier:On the threas "Rarest animals seen in a zoo or aquarium"
this is coming from fellow zoochatter Kudu21 The Cincinnati Zoo hasn't exhibited tarsiers since the late 90s or so. I dont know if they bred them though. I will ask him.

Golden snub nosed monkey: I hope LA zoo one day will get them. I think Toronto zoo is expecting them for there eurasian exhibit. but with them recently losing there AZA accreditation idk if they will get them now.

Dugong: I can see 2 Aqauriums getting this species if they wanted to Monterey Bay & Georgia.

Javan Rhino: I know this is a random question but did Nashville zoo ever have Javan rhinos? i remember it was posted on its wikipedia page but now its off Idk if it was a typo or they actually did have them years ago.

Dingiso: Your welcome people should read up more bout this fascinating animal.

Platypus: In my opinion Columbus Zoo would be a great place to exhibit them in the voyage to Australia roadhouse exhibit. They already have Tiger quolls,Matschie's Tree-Kangaroo,North Island Brown Kiwi,Tawny Frogmouth,Sugar Gliders,Prevost's Squirrels,Woylie & one non-native species Fishing Cat.
 
jusko88 said:
Philippine Tarsier:On the threas "Rarest animals seen in a zoo or aquarium"
this is coming from fellow zoochatter Kudu21 The Cincinnati Zoo hasn't exhibited tarsiers since the late 90s or so. I dont know if they bred them though. I will ask him.
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Cincinnati's Philippine Tarsiers bred a total of 11 times between 1986 and 1994. Six of the infants lived less than five days, but two lived for over 10 years. One of which lived for over 11 years; it holds the longevity record for captive-born tarsiers.
 
Kudu21 said:
Cincinnati's Philippine Tarsiers bred a total of 11 times between 1986 and 1994. Six of the infants lived less than five days, but two lived for over 10 years. One of which lived for over 11 years; it holds the longevity record for captive-born tarsiers.
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Thks Kudu21.

heres another list of animals do you think the U.S. will get or if they ever did?

Long-beaked echidna
pygmy sloth
long-haired spider monkey
kipunji
mediterranean monk seal
angwatibo
malayan colugo
silky anteater
olingo
iberian lynx
Margay (whatever happen to this species in zoos? I thought alot of them were in U.S. zoos apparently not :(
jaguarundi
brown hyena
kouprey
Saiga
Vaquita
River Dolphin (im from pittsburgh and are zoo did have a amazon river dolphin it died in 2002 hope someday we get another one)
Narwhal
Porpoise
blue footed booby
philippine eagle
kakapo
spix's macaw
leatherback turtle
Gorgeted puffleg
 
DavidBrown said:
Thanks Tim. While I have you here, how well did the giant armadillos at the London Zoo do? Did they live very long? Did you ever see them?
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London Zoo obtained its first giant armadillo (named “Titan”) in 1959. I must have seen this animal as a young child but have no clear recollection of it.

London Zoo acquired a giant armadillo in 1976 when the President of Brazil presented one to Queen Elizabeth; this animal was housed in the old Stork & Ostrich House where I saw it many times. It was sent to Rotterdam Zoo in 1978.
 
jusko88 said:
Javan Rhino: I know this is a random question but did Nashville zoo ever have Javan rhinos?
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In his book “The Rhinoceros in Captivity” (1998) L.C. Rookmaaker does not record any Javan rhinos as ever being kept in America.

No Javan rhinos have been kept in zoos since the Adelaide animal died in 1907.
 
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