You specifically said SeaWorld does this which is wrong. Nowhere on SeaWorld’s website do they say they deprive food or force their animals to do anything.
Dolphins and other marine mammals - to zoo or not to zoo?
Berrnard
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Sorry if i am offending you please teach me more about this and other topics
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Berrnard
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i was loking at both sides of the argument
If you have specific questions we are happy to answer them but you aren’t the first person to come here and repeat refuted points about the care of orcas. It’s fine to look at both sides of a discussion but I get a bit annoyed when the same lies get repeated every few months by a new person and I have to come in and argue with them again.
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Berrnard
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sorry if i am new and inexperienced
Berrnard
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Sorry if this is invasive but you said you worked at a facility and i got curious, what facility do you work at @Echobeast ?
Don’t be sorry you’re new. You’re learning. Feel free to message me if you have personal questions.
I'm sure EchoBeast wasn't trying to be rude or mean. If you are here to learn, why are you making baseless claims that are not true? Like EchoBeast said we get a new member every few months making these claims without doing any research, please please please do research on your own prior to posting, it gets annoying when so many members do the same thing. I promise I'm not trying to be mean or anything either, I get that your new and inexperienced, this is just my advice to you for future reference
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Berrnard
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sorry i must have got false information about SeaWorld and thank you very much for correcting me but sadly there are other facilities that do this outside the US that do this.
I'm assuming the websites used false accusations from PETA.
Berrnard
Member
I don’t even click these links because I don’t want to support the sites that spread lies. I can’t be sure what specifically they say but if you have specific questions we can answer them to the best of our knowledge.
Some very funny quotes I pulled from the first article:
"Orcas are used to swimming around 100 miles per day, but in SeaWorld there is barely enough room for the Orca’s to move, let alone swim."
Oh yeah, the tanks are so tiny, the orcas can't even move...
"So much inbreeding has also occurred at SeaWorld, which is of course not natural in the wild and has caused many health concerns."
To my knowledge, the only inbred calf born at SeaWorld is 0.1 Nalani born in 2006 to Taku and Katina, a son and mother pair. Also, there is proof that wild orcas do occasionally inbreed.
"Orca’s in the wild live nearly as long as humans however, in captivity they are lucky if they will live over 10 years of age."
Of the 19 orcas in SeaWorld care, only two (Makani and Kamea) are under 10, the oldest in their care (Corky) is 50+ and there are several in their late 20s to mid 40s.
Let's wrap up this conversation here, I really don't want to get back into this discussion on here, there are tons of threads on this topic already so please use the search tool in the top right of the page and look for them. SeaWorld is trying their best to understand orca needs and is doing their best to fulfill these needs so people need to stop putting all their faith and trust into organizations like PETA and stop bashing SeaWorld so much without doing any reading of their own.
Yes, pretty much everything in those articles say is either heavily misleading or even straight up lies.
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Randomname0183
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The only interesting and semi-reputable articles on dolphin project are the history blog posts for ocean park HK and adventure world shirahama and the few about rare cetaceans in captivity. That aside mr o’barry and his crew aren’t reliable.
That might depend on the porpoise species. The East Asian finless porpoise (Neophocaena sunameri) seems to do quite alright in captivity.
Randomname0183
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Harbour porpoises are also ok in captivity too as far as I’ve seen.
Not really, with two (and maybe soon just one) European holders.
Berrnard
Member
Thank you all for educating meSome very funny quotes I pulled from the first article:
"Orcas are used to swimming around 100 miles per day, but in SeaWorld there is barely enough room for the Orca’s to move, let alone swim."
Oh yeah, the tanks are so tiny, the orcas can't even move...
"So much inbreeding has also occurred at SeaWorld, which is of course not natural in the wild and has caused many health concerns."
To my knowledge, the only inbred calf born at SeaWorld is 0.1 Nalani born in 2006 to Taku and Katina, a son and mother pair. Also, there is proof that wild orcas do occasionally inbreed.
"Orca’s in the wild live nearly as long as humans however, in captivity they are lucky if they will live over 10 years of age."
Of the 19 orcas in SeaWorld care, only two (Makani and Kamea) are under 10, the oldest in their care (Corky) is 50+ and there are several in their late 20s to mid 40s.
Let's wrap up this conversation here, I really don't want to get back into this discussion on here, there are tons of threads on this topic already so please use the search tool in the top right of the page and look for them. SeaWorld is trying their best to understand orca needs and is doing their best to fulfill these needs so people need to stop putting all their faith and trust into organizations like PETA and stop bashing SeaWorld so much without doing any reading of their own.
Could Short-finned pilot whales work out as a species that can be well-tolerated in captivity? I mean, sure, very few places worldwide currently keep the species, but if orcas in western aquaria were phased out much sooner than later, then this species could possibly be a relatively good alternative to orcas. But then again, the beluga whale population would probably need more holders, but that’s all just an idea on my part.
They could definitely be an alternative to Orcas the problem is much of the population is scattered and I don’t think the larger holders like SeaWorld SD would be interested in creating a breeding group until all of their Orcas are gone.