Dudley Zoo Update 2012

Visited the zoo 05 / 03 / 2012 there were quite a few visitor and a lot of children on school visits around the place.

Flamingos are still 2x Caribbean and 6 x Chilean.

Saw the baby Black Crested Macaques they look healthy and seem to be quite lively.

Baby sprout was really going for it on the straps and floor poor old mother was sat up the corner just watching little Sprout.

Saw the Black Cheeked Lovebirds for the first time was quite surprised with how many they have in the aviary about 10 I could count.

White Lipped Peccary were a no show this was the first time I had been to the zoo and they were not out on show.

The Bush Dogs were also a no show but did ask a keeper about their health and both are doing fine and were out and about on Saturday in the sun.

Next was the Reptile House and must admit I do agree with Johnny Morris but this is again down to funding as I was told a couple of years ago it was supposed to have been rebuilt in another location in the zoo as part of the deal that saw the old Aquarium removed from the castle grounds but the funding never came from the organisation responsible (what a surprise that was will not name the organisation but Tecton Buildings will give a clue to those who want to know).

The building is currently being refurbished with new reptiles as a few of the enclosures were empty when I visited.

The Snow Leopards are now virtually inseparable both stuck on the top platform at the front on the left as you look at the enclosure, so here’s hoping for the future.

Now for my highlight of the visit the 2 new Tigers what beautiful animals these are I was surprised with the way the two interacted chasing and jumping on each other and no aggression from either to the other, it’s a pity there are not many more exhibits with 2 species of tiger in as it gives you the chance to see the difference between the species.
It’s great seeing single species of tiger in collections but having a Sumatran (one of the smallest tigers) and a Siberian (one of the largest) in the same enclosure really does make you appreciate the differences.

I was lucky enough to be able to stand and have 10 mins by myself at the viewing window and Daseep (Sumatran) and Tschuna (Siberian) both came right up to the window and how beautiful they look close up.

It’s a shame that Tschuna will have to leave the collection when a mate is found for Daseep I wonder if there could be a way of keeping both (maybe the zoo could find a mate for Tschuna and then use the Bear Ravine for the enclosure wishful thinking).

The New Penguin walk in as been started they have blocked off the path from the back of the Reptile House to the Penguin enclosure, also the path from the Primate House to the Penguin enclosure as been closed off and new fencing is being erected and by the looks of it the path to the rear of the discovery centre may stay closed permantly.

Will be putting photographs of the tigers in the gallery shortly.
 
Visited the zoo 05 / 03 / 2012 there were quite a few visitor and a lot of children on school visits around the place.

Flamingos are still 2x Caribbean and 6 x Chilean.

Saw the baby Black Crested Macaques they look healthy and seem to be quite lively.

Baby sprout was really going for it on the straps and floor poor old mother was sat up the corner just watching little Sprout.

Saw the Black Cheeked Lovebirds for the first time was quite surprised with how many they have in the aviary about 10 I could count.

White Lipped Peccary were a no show this was the first time I had been to the zoo and they were not out on show.

The Bush Dogs were also a no show but did ask a keeper about their health and both are doing fine and were out and about on Saturday in the sun.

Next was the Reptile House and must admit I do agree with Johnny Morris but this is again down to funding as I was told a couple of years ago it was supposed to have been rebuilt in another location in the zoo as part of the deal that saw the old Aquarium removed from the castle grounds but the funding never came from the organisation responsible (what a surprise that was will not name the organisation but Tecton Buildings will give a clue to those who want to know).

The building is currently being refurbished with new reptiles as a few of the enclosures were empty when I visited.

The Snow Leopards are now virtually inseparable both stuck on the top platform at the front on the left as you look at the enclosure, so here’s hoping for the future.

Now for my highlight of the visit the 2 new Tigers what beautiful animals these are I was surprised with the way the two interacted chasing and jumping on each other and no aggression from either to the other, it’s a pity there are not many more exhibits with 2 species of tiger in as it gives you the chance to see the difference between the species.
It’s great seeing single species of tiger in collections but having a Sumatran (one of the smallest tigers) and a Siberian (one of the largest) in the same enclosure really does make you appreciate the differences.

I was lucky enough to be able to stand and have 10 mins by myself at the viewing window and Daseep (Sumatran) and Tschuna (Siberian) both came right up to the window and how beautiful they look close up.

It’s a shame that Tschuna will have to leave the collection when a mate is found for Daseep I wonder if there could be a way of keeping both (maybe the zoo could find a mate for Tschuna and then use the Bear Ravine for the enclosure wishful thinking).

The New Penguin walk in as been started they have blocked off the path from the back of the Reptile House to the Penguin enclosure, also the path from the Primate House to the Penguin enclosure as been closed off and new fencing is being erected and by the looks of it the path to the rear of the discovery centre may stay closed permantly.

Will be putting photographs of the tigers in the gallery shortly.

A few Zoo's in the UK do exhibit two species of the two at Dudley. South Lakes was I believe was the only one to exhibit both for a number of years before Flamingoland acquired two Sumatran's in September 2010.

There probably was no aggression due them being brought up and reared together, and although Tschuna is bigger they probably relate themselves as littermates.
 
That's a great review Adrian, and apart from the number of visitors could have been my visit the day before. We almost had the Zoo to ourselves. I like what they have done to utilise their space, i didn't seem to be walking for to long between enclosures as i seem to at other zoos. Mind you, i'd like to see the chair lift working.
 
A few Zoo's in the UK do exhibit two species of the two at Dudley. South Lakes was I believe was the only one to exhibit both for a number of years before Flamingoland acquired two Sumatran's in September 2010.

There probably was no aggression due them being brought up and reared together, and although Tschuna is bigger they probably relate themselves as littermates.

Howletts have held both since about 2007, although I know South Lakes still claimed to be the only one to have them for a long time after that on their website.
 
Howletts have held both since about 2007, although I know South Lakes still claimed to be the only one to have them for a long time after that on their website.

Howletts had both sub-species back in 1990's as well... They went out of (having previously had breeding success) Sumatran's after losing there breeding female to cancer and later discovering that they were both in fact hybrids. Like you say they returned in 2006 with the current pair being established..

It’s a shame that Tschuna will have to leave the collection when a mate is found for Daseep I wonder if there could be a way of keeping both (maybe the zoo could find a mate for Tschuna and then use the Bear Ravine for the enclosure wishful thinking).

Not going to happen. Arrangements have already been made for Tschuna to form a new breeding pair at Whipsnade and she will probably leave at some stage in the next 12 months... Be sad to see them seperated but it's for the long term good of the both
 
A little background on Dudley's (recent) Asian Black Bears:

The story starts in 1974 when a pair arrived from Knaresborough Zoo. They produced a female cub named Wellington in 1977 and a male named Spartan in 1978. This pair of siblings later produced three male cubs in 1987/1988, all of which went to Heythrop as cubs.

In March 1990, three female bears named Inca, Winnie and Gretel arrived from the Bird Garden at Muncaster Castle, which by then was being transformed into the excellent World Owl Centre. The remains of the old bear enclosure can still be seen as the "Meadow Vole Maze" (if anyone has photos of the enclosure with bears in it, I would love to see them).

Inca and Gretel were sent to Glasgow in July 1997 leaving Spartan, Winnie and Wellington at Dudley. Spartan died in 2000 and the two remaining females were euthanised in April 2002 - at this point, I doubt that Dudley had any intention of keeping bears again (the enclosure was then used for an odd mixture of Sulawesi Macaques and porcupines). However, Glasgow then closed and Inca and Gretel returned to Dudley in October 2003. I don't have a date to hand, but Gretel has obviously died since then.

To answer the original question, Inca's DOB is given in the studbook as ca.1980, making her around 32 years of age.
 
Which bears left the collection in 1992 as the keepers did conferm on my last visit this week that 2 bears did leave for Scotland early in 92 or could it be a case that after the flood in the archive room that they have been mistaken and got them mixed up with some other species (which I think could have happened)

Have updated my own records now thanks for the information Robmv.

Edit - When she returned to Dudley, Glasgow did say they didn't know how old either of the Bears were so I am wondering if the (Dudley) have got it mixed up with some other spieces.
 
Which bears left the collection in 1992 as the keepers did conferm on my last visit this week that 2 bears did leave for Scotland early in 92 or could it be a case that after the flood in the archive room that they have been mistaken and got them mixed up with some other species (which I think could have happened)

There are no other Dudley bears mentioned in the studbook: it's quite possible that a 2 and a 7 got transposed somewhere along the line so 1992 should read 1997, or vice versa.

I'm always a bit wary of "circa" dates in studbooks as they are often little more than guesses.
 
In any of the records is there a mention of 'Huggy' she was also an Asian Black Bear, and shared her enclosure with Inca, Gretel, Spartan, Wellington and Winne.There were 6 bears in total that shared the two pits. Inca and Gretel were moved to a nice enclosure at Glasgow zoo as they were known as the 'Bullys'!
 
In any of the records is there a mention of 'Huggy' she was also an Asian Black Bear, and shared her enclosure with Inca, Gretel, Spartan, Wellington and Winne.There were 6 bears in total that shared the two pits. Inca and Gretel were moved to a nice enclosure at Glasgow zoo as they were known as the 'Bullys'!

You're quite right - I missed two female cubs born to the Knaresborough pair in January 1975. Huggy was one of these and she died 10.05.1996.
 
The following species are on display in the Discovery Centre at present (please note that they change this collection round on a regular rota

Discovery Centre Species at 05 / 03 / 2012

AFRICAN SUN BEETLE
BEARDED DRAGON
DUMERIL’S GROUND BOA
CALIFORNIA KING SNAKE
DESERT COLLARD LIZARD
CORN SNAKE
WHITE KNEED TARANTULA
CHILEAN ROSE TARANTULA
CURLY HAIRED TARANTULA
GIANT AFRICAN LAND SNAIL
HISSING COCKROACH
GIANT TRAIN MILLIPEDE
GREAT PLATED LIZARD
AXOLOTI
GIANT SPINY STICK INSECT
FIRE SALAMANDER
ORNATE HORNED FROG
MEDICINAL LEECH
GOLDEN APPLE SNAIL
CHINESE FIRE BELIED NEWT
YELLOW BELLIED TOAD
SHARP RIBBED NEWT
BLUE & GOLD MACAW
 
A bit off thread I know, but I was wondering how long I would need to allow for a visit to Dudley? I've never been, but have several days off this month and thought I might take the oppurtunity. As I don't really want to get stuck on the M5/6 in the rush hour on the way back I reckon I'd have about 4-41/2 hours, is that enough? As its a minimum 2 -21/4 hour journey I don't want to waste my time and may have to leave it for a Sunday
 
A bit off thread I know, but I was wondering how long I would need to allow for a visit to Dudley? I've never been, but have several days off this month and thought I might take the oppurtunity. As I don't really want to get stuck on the M5/6 in the rush hour on the way back I reckon I'd have about 4-41/2 hours, is that enough? As its a minimum 2 -21/4 hour journey I don't want to waste my time and may have to leave it for a Sunday

I'd say that 4-4.5 hours is plenty of time, it's not a huge zoo and a lot of species are quite easy to view. You could also fit the castle in and have the oppurtunity to double back and catch the no-shows in that time! :D
 
I'd say that 4-4.5 hours is plenty of time, it's not a huge zoo and a lot of species are quite easy to view. You could also fit the castle in and have the oppurtunity to double back and catch the no-shows in that time! :D
Thanks Brum that's very helpful.
 
Taken from the Dudley Zoo web site -

Visitor numbers up by 22% on last year and with Easter still to come, to just over 23,000I know it's alot less then places like Chester but hey at least the numbers are increasing

Also from the Web site -

Anniversary plans for the site include Penguin Bay, a walkthrough enclosure offering visitors a chance to get close to the zoo’s 70-strong group of rare Humboldt penguins – the largest colony in the UK.

The attraction is due to launch May 6, the date the zoo opened to the public in 1937.

Two anniversary stars are already settling in; Amur tiger Tschuna and Sumatran tiger, Daseep, transferred in February and have already become visitors’ favourites.

Modification work to the big cats' enclosure created an eye-level glass viewing area offering never-before-seen angles of the iconic triple Tecton complex, plus a live tiger cam for off-site viewing.

Also on the list is the restoration of the 1958 chairlift – one of the oldest in the country.
Work will begin in May with midsummer completion and offer visitors a view from the air of some of the rarest animals in the world.

Mr Suddock added: “It’s going to be a brilliant year; not only is it our 75th anniversary, we’ll also be finalising plans for the new entrance, retail complex and Tecton interpretation centre, there are wonderful additions to the animal collection and, of course, the chairlift will be restored, so there’s a lot to celebrate.”
 
Visited today - despite the slightly unpleasant weather, moreorless everything was out and active, with the exception of the flamingos, red squirrels and the bush dogs. In the case of the latter, their enclosure now no longer has any signs or notices mentioning the species - possibly a sign they are offshow?

The Geoffroy's cat was extremely active, and I got some of my best photos yet of this unusual cat. The same - surprisingly considering the weather and her extreme age - goes for Inca the Asiatic Black Bear.

The snow leopards seem to tolerate each other quite well, and the new tiger exhibit really does work well for showing off the differences between the two ssp, with ample signs describing the differences visible and the demography of both subspecies.
 
The Geoffroy's cat was extremely active, and I got some of my best photos yet of this unusual cat.

God I'm envious now, the only animal I have NEVER seen at Dudley, despite many visits! I've even had more success with the squirrels than the cat. :rolleyes:
 
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