Adelaide Zoo Dusky Langur birth
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had to ask....what would people have preferred from the TAG? Keeping mixed-race Colobus and phasing out of guenons or the other way round?
Both species were pretty much in the same situation in terms of genetics and number of holders, only difference being that the Colobus monkey were maintained in two seperate sub-species...
do you guys think that the zoos have done the right thing here by replacing a potentially viable species with another one, albeit diluted???
Both species were pretty much in the same situation in terms of genetics and number of holders, only difference being that the Colobus monkey were maintained in two seperate sub-species...
do you guys think that the zoos have done the right thing here by replacing a potentially viable species with another one, albeit diluted???
seamuschimp
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I just went to see the baby today. Flier mostly kept to the back of the tree and she and the baby were getting lots of attention from the others
Hey Glyn,
The group are a wild-born female, smuggled into the country in the late 80's and confiscated at the airport (interestingly, it had been concealed down the cleavage on a "largish" lady during the flight from Asia, but that's a whole other story!); a male imported from Wuppertal in the early 90's; a female imported from Singapore Zoo in 2001; and a male imported from Twycross Zoo in 2004.
The sire of the new baby is the Twycross male, and the dam is the Singapore female.
The group are a wild-born female, smuggled into the country in the late 80's and confiscated at the airport (interestingly, it had been concealed down the cleavage on a "largish" lady during the flight from Asia, but that's a whole other story!); a male imported from Wuppertal in the early 90's; a female imported from Singapore Zoo in 2001; and a male imported from Twycross Zoo in 2004.
The sire of the new baby is the Twycross male, and the dam is the Singapore female.
Reptile Lover
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In 2006 the same pair gave birth to a baby, I think it was a male.
Correct me if I've got it wrong, but I assume that Dusky langurs are being phased out in favour of Francois'?
I'm with you glyn; if Francois' fails then we should stick with Duskies.(Ah you know me - I'm hopelessly unrealistic - I want us to keep them both!)
I feel the same way about the Colobus/De Brazza's guenon situation. I suppose that it's not ideal that we have both guereza and kikuyuensis races of colobus, but we have to be realistic with what's available to us. It's a bit like the racial differences between the various asiatic elephants; we are (hopefully) breeding a true species and that's what matters.
Colobus are beautiful, interesting monkeys, but I'd have loved it if we could also have kept the guenons. (The "ideal" zoo, to me, would have about 10 different species of guenons! In fact, while I'm day-dreaming, it would have an entire section of African monkeys ranging from Abyssinian colobus to Drills! Maybe in heaven.)
I'm with you glyn; if Francois' fails then we should stick with Duskies.(Ah you know me - I'm hopelessly unrealistic - I want us to keep them both!)
I feel the same way about the Colobus/De Brazza's guenon situation. I suppose that it's not ideal that we have both guereza and kikuyuensis races of colobus, but we have to be realistic with what's available to us. It's a bit like the racial differences between the various asiatic elephants; we are (hopefully) breeding a true species and that's what matters.
Colobus are beautiful, interesting monkeys, but I'd have loved it if we could also have kept the guenons. (The "ideal" zoo, to me, would have about 10 different species of guenons! In fact, while I'm day-dreaming, it would have an entire section of African monkeys ranging from Abyssinian colobus to Drills! Maybe in heaven.)
are the main source of facts among all the conjecture re Aussie zoos.
Reptile Lover
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Thanks ZooPro because I didn't know about the other male before it died. I haven't seen the new baby yet but the one from 2006 looked really cool between the grey ones.
I think you will find that Adelaide is keeping with the Duskies because they had them, are breeding successfully and have a nice rainforest exhibit mixed with the tapir and otters. Francois were not on the cards when the exhibit was built, but Adelaide's 'possible' long-term view is to delete Duskies in favour of Francois when they become more freely available, or possibly manage two species.
I'm not sure why Australian zoos need to have the 'either colobus or guenons' philosophy. It is unlikely that the region would manage a self-sustaining population of either (+/- 30 individuals is the usual ballpark). More to the point many zoos in US/Europe would maintain both species in the same exhibt.
