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Haha, I've been told by some of the staff at the zoo in the past that keeping the stocklist portion of the website accurate and up-to-date has fallen on the backburner of late - this is why the margay is listed as onshow (it was updated just before it was due to go onshow, and not removed when these plans fell through) and the marbled polecat is still listed as being in the collection when they left some months ago! They never got around to adding the clouded leopard, which as far as I know is a) still at the zoo and b) still so shy no one bar one or two staffmembers have seen her!
 
The only real news I'm not sure I've seen mentioned is there were 2 red river hog babies viewable in the house, looked not very old.

Red River Hog Piglets again? :eek: This seems a bit like history repeating itself, from the 'euthanasia' saga a few years ago now.:( I guess they won't be repeating that part though. Very curious how they then bred them some more, then got rid of them and now have them again.

Anyone know if they are the same ones or the reason behind them leaving and returning?
 
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can anyone tell me if Edinburgh had ratel around 2010 period

They did indeed, during the first portion of the year - they certainly still held the species on January 29th 2010 when I visited the collection.
 
Red River Hog Piglets again? :eek: This seems a bit like history repeating itself, from the 'euthanasia' saga a few years ago now.:( I guess they won't be repeating that part though. Very curious how they then bred them some more, then got rid of them and now have them again.

Anyone know if they are the same ones or the reason behind them leaving and returning?

For some reason I think they are not the same ones that left, but can't remember why I think that! I'm sure I was told these were taken in as a favour to another zoo and were only temporary when they first arrived-but they have now been here a while now so who knows?!
 
I'm sure I was told these were taken in as a favour to another zoo and were only temporary when they first arrived-but they have now been here a while now so who knows?!

That would make the most sense, rather than going out of their way to get in more Red River Hogs so soon after getting rid of them.
 
Young tapir has moved on. Seems they didn't have a great penguin breeding season this year-only a handful of gentoo chicks made it through out of around 50 eggs laid (around 8 I think it is). Due to all the moving with the new enclosure maybe? And I know a lot of the gentoo pairs were new & many were young/first time parents. Hopefully they'll be settled and more successful next year. Seen young waldrop ibis around in that bottom aviary.
 
Just on Radio 4-evidence of a panda pregnancy-obviously fairly good evidence given they've gone public, but does state they will not know whether its real of a pseudo-pregnancy until there is a cub.
 
BBC News - Edinburgh Zoo panda Tian Tian 'may be pregnant'
Edinburgh Zoo has said there are "strong indications" that its female giant panda is pregnant.

Tian Tian's hormone and protein levels, along with changes in her behaviour, suggest she may be expecting a cub, after artificial insemination in April.

Keepers will not know for sure until just before the panda gives birth, which could happen within a month.

A baby giant panda has never been born in the UK, but the zoo's Iain Valentine said: "Things are looking good."

Tian Tian and the zoo's male, Yang Guang, are the UK's only pair of giant pandas.

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It's hugely exciting. There's never been a baby panda born in the UK”

Iain Valentine
Edinburgh Zoo
They arrived in Scotland two years ago and are being rented by Edinburgh Zoo from the Chinese government for a decade for an annual fee of about £600,000.

The pandas, both of whom will turn ten in the next few weeks, have twice tried and failed to mate naturally.

So in the early hours of 21 April the female panda was artificially inseminated.

Mr Valentine, director of the zoo's giant panda programme, said Tian Tian could have twins by different fathers, one of whom would be Yang Guang.

"We used two different males for the artificial insemination," he explained to BBC News.

"It's hugely exciting. There's never been a baby panda born in the UK."

According to the zoo, several indicators suggest that Tian Tian is pregnant.

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The panda was artificially inseminated after failing to mate with Yang Guang
The first is a spike in the hormone progesterone which is measured by sending the panda's urine samples to the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin.

It was first detected on 15 July and was confirmed this week.

"The hormone concentrations we measured in the urine sample from the panda increased," said Dr Martin Dehnhard at the Leibniz Institute.

"That tells me that she is pregnant or pseudo-pregnant."

A pseudo - or phantom - pregnancy is possible. These are extremely common in pandas, but Edinburgh Zoo is using a cutting-edge test to try to rule it out as a possibility.

The test has been developed by Memphis Zoo in the US. It measures a female panda's protein levels to give an indication of whether she is pregnant and likely to carry the cub to full term.

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Results so far are very encouraging but we don't want to count our pandas until they are born”

Chris West
Royal Zoological Society of Scotland
In Tian Tian's case the results appear to be positive, but the technique is relatively new and scientists are not yet confident enough to declare it 100% reliable.

However there is a third indicator of pregnancy: behaviour, and here too the signs are good.

According to Edinburgh Zoo, Tian Tian is off her food, she is moody and at various stages over the past few months she has been showing "nesting" behaviour.

A more solid indication would come from an ultrasound scan, although even that is not definitive as a panda foetus is tiny - at birth the cub weighs only 150g - and doesn't develop until the final days of pregnancy.

In any case, a scan requires a panda's co-operation and Tian Tian is not obliging.

"We're not going to risk the hand of our vet," Mr Valentine said, explaining why they have abandoned the idea.

It means they will not know for certain whether the panda is pregnant until a few days before a cub is born, which they estimate is likely to happen between 24 August and 10 September.

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A urine sample taken from Tian Tian showed a spike in the hormone progesterone
Twenty-four hours before giving birth Tian Tian would be expected to become restless and start to bleat.

Two incubators will be on standby in the zoo's panda nursery in case she has twins.

Michael Livingstone, one of the panda keepers, said anticipation in the zoo would turn to elation at news of a cub or cubs.

"I think it'll just explode. I think there's going to be a very big buzz about it.

"It's such an exciting thing so I think it'll go off the scale."

If there are twins, or if Tian Tian is struggling to rear her cub alone, Mr Livingstone would be one of a team of four keepers who would provide round-the-clock care for the newborns.

In keeping with a Chinese tradition, any cub would be named 100 days after the birth.

It would be the property of the People's Republic of China and would be sent there after two years in Scotland.

Establishing a panda cub's sex is tricky and is usually not possible until the animal is between one and three months old.

Parentage would be established by a blood test at around the same time. As well as Yang Guang, the other potential father is Bao Bao, whose sample was frozen before he died at the age of 34 last year.

But is Tian Tian going to give birth?

"Results so far are very encouraging," said Chris West, chief executive of the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, the charity that runs Edinburgh Zoo.

"But we don't want to count our pandas until they are born."
 
Giant panda Tian Tian may be pregnant, say Edinburgh zoo staff | World news | theguardian.com

The Guardian mentions Bao Bao:

To maximise the chances of a live birth, the team of Scottish, Chinese and German specialists in Edinburgh used sperm from Yang Guang and thawed sperm from a panda called Bao Bao, who died in Berlin zoo aged 34 last year.

He was the last panda on British soil until Edinburgh's pair arrived in December 2011; his frozen sperm has been stored and made available to captive breeding programmes involved in the global panda conservation programme. A DNA test would establish the cub's father.

Bao Bao, a gift from China to the West German chancellor Helmut Schmidt, was loaned to London zoo between 1991 and 1993 in an unsuccessful attempt to mate him with its female panda Ming Ming.
 
He was one of the last Pandas I ever saw- on a brief trip to ZSL when he was in London with 'Ming Ming'. Given his record long captive life in Berlin, it might be nice if he was to father a cub posthumously, that's all.:)
 
If she is pregnant and it is BaoBao cub(s) would they still "belong" to China? Or would they be half owned by Germany? :confused:
 
Popped into the zoo for a couple of hours this pm, nothing too remarkable to report as it was only a flying visit, although the baby Gibbon is cute!!

The area in front of the old sea lion pool has been redevleoped since I was last down there, with a fence separating it from the drive, rubber flooring and a life size male Sealion statue! Also some infoboards about the last sealion (more than when he was there) and that they are looking at what to do with it. Anyone know why it was unsuitable for pelicans? My other half is hoping for Giant Otters!

Saw a skunk for once!

Main thing I want to say is about Brilliant Birds - more like rather dull Birds. the stock levels in there seem to have crashed - several species had their information taped over, and those left were fairly limited in numbers - Bali Starling, Nicobar Pidgeon, Jungle Fowl and possibly a Honeyeater. No sign of the Victoria Pidgeons, although they were signposted, and no sign of the Cock of the Rock either.

The entrance amphibian/reptile/invertobrate tanks were probably more interesting!
 
Edinburgh Panda Baby Watch: Your Special 36-Page Souvenir Pull-Out

Spoof story on Huffington Post comparing panda pregnancy with the royal baby hysteria

Is she or isn't she? Who cares - we're celebrating already! And so can you, with HuffPost UK Comedy's stunning 36-page pullout...

INSIDE OUR SPECIAL SOUVENIR ISSUE:

Bumpwatch!
Is Tian-Tian expecting twins? Probably not. But that won’t stop us speculating

Tian-Tian’s Pregnancy Style
From fur to more fur: Her most memorable maternity outfits so far. PLUS: How to copy her smokey-eye look

Bearing Witness
As the world’s media camp outside Edinburgh Zoo, we bring you all the non-updates from inside: including who’s buying what from the gift shop

Ursine Of The Times
Why Tian-Tian and Yang Guang will be very different parents from previous generations of pandas. PLUS: What Tian-Tian can learn from her dead mother-in-law

Baby Bear Boom
Why the birth could lead to a population boost among British teddy bears

Eats Shoots And Leaves: Tian-Tian’s Post-Baby Weight Loss Plan
OK! magazine reveals the secrets of Tian-Tian’s diet and fitness regime, shortly after tweeting an ignorant comment about her post-cub ‘mummy tummy’

PLUS In the Daily Mail: How much this immigrant's baby is going to cost you, the British taxpayer.
 
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