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I think Tarzan is being too hard on Edinburgh.
The hunting dog exhibit and the Steller's sea eagle aviary are favourites of mine. The monkey walk-through and Living Links for capuchins and squirrel monkeys are also excellent and I quite like the Magic Forest for smaller primates. I think the sun bear exhibit is pretty good too, but I wish they had demolished all the old aviaries behind it to give a little extra space.
I also really like the row of cat enclosures, although I agree that they are too small for big cats (except for the tiger enclosure) - I think that the vertical space they provide is often unfairly overlooked and so I consider them quite suitable for golden cats and smaller species.
It is also unfair to ignore Budongo, the penguin pools and the African Plains (for Grevy's zebra, nyala and lesser kudu) which are, I would suggest, the best exhibits in Britain for their species. By default the same thing applies to the koalas too - I haven't seen the revamped exhibit yet, so I won't comment further.
Of course there are some old and ugly buildings, like the monkey house, and some undistinguished ones like the house for small deer etc opposite it, but the animals do pretty well in them.
I do agree that the interior quarters of the old gorilla house were horrible, but the outdoor enclosures were better. They were palatial in comparison with the old ape houses at Chessington and Dudley (which admittedly were older).

Alan
 
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I think the sun bear exhibit is pretty good too, but I wish they had demolished all the old aviaries behind it to give a little extra space.

Your spacial awareness is slightly off - those old aviaries are off to one side of the sun bear enclosure, and are behind the small carnivore house. As such the only way they could have been used for the sun bear exhibit would have been if the small carnivore house itself had been demolished and the area used for the sunbear enclosure.

Despite the departure of the marbled polecats and aardwolves in the past 12 months, this small carnivore house still houses two Tibetan Golden Cats (one having moved down from the rockdens when the zoo obtained Clouded Leopard) and the tucked away nature of the house makes these two individuals positively showy by cat standards - this would have been a BIG loss.
 
I do agree that the interior quarters of the old gorilla house were horrible, but the outdoor enclosures were better. They were palatial in comparison with the old ape houses at Chessington and Dudley (which admittedly were older).

But they were thirty years down the round- I was appalled the first time I saw that (Edinburgh) enclosure- the whole thing!;)

A lot of people on here comment about the Monkey House- I agree it is dated but the indoor enclosures are quite roomy and the outdoor ones quite tall- I almost still like it.

Zoochat seems to be playing up for me today- there are no dates/times/ zoo locations to the threads and no p.m. notifications. Is anyone else having a similar problem?
 
I think Tarzan is being too hard on Edinburgh.
The hunting dog exhibit and the Steller's sea eagle aviary are favourites of mine. The monkey walk-through and Living Links for capuchins and squirrel monkeys are also excellent and I quite like the Magic Forest for smaller primates. I think the sun bear exhibit is pretty good too, but I wish they had demolished all the old aviaries behind it to give a little extra space.
I also really like the row of cat enclosures, although I agree that they are too small for big cats (except for the tiger enclosure) - I think that the vertical space they provide is often unfairly overlooked and so I consider them quite suitable for golden cats and smaller species.
It is also unfair to ignore Budongo, the penguin pools and the African Plains (for Grevy's zebra, nyala and lesser kudu) which are, I would suggest, the best exhibits in Britain for their species. By default the same thing applies to the koalas too - I haven't seen the revamped exhibit yet, so I won't comment further.
Of course there are some old and ugly buildings, like the monkey house, and some undistinguished ones like the house for small deer etc opposite it, but the animals do pretty well in them.
I do agree that the interior quarters of the old gorilla house were horrible, but the outdoor enclosures were better. They were palatial in comparison with the old ape houses at Chessington and Dudley (which admittedly were older).

Alan
I agree with you Alan, and as you say the penguins, Budongo, Living links as well as many of the other enclosures are more than suitable for the species living there. Like every other zoo in the world there are areas that need improvement but like every other zoo (except those that are funded by the local authority or similar) then money is required to make improvements. The zoo is not expensive and is line with other attractions. Each person has their own opinion on the pandas but right now there is an international symposium being held in Edinburgh to work on how to keep and manage giant pandas in the best way so the zoo is committed to their conservation and does support their conservation in China as well as many other projects with other species (chimps in Uganda, anteaters in Brazil, beavers in Scotland etc etc. - this is also an area that needs a lot of money and is a requirement of good zoos).
 
I think Tarzan & me will have to agree to disagree on Edinburgh! As i've said many times it has an excellent collection of species. Maybe some of the zoo's enclosures aren't great, but i wouldn't say any are really awful. I don't particularly like the monkey house, but it's a chance to step back in time to my earliest years of zoo visits.
I personally think ?15 represents probably almost as good value for money as you can get in the UK.
Difference of opinion & debate is good though, i rate Edinburgh easily top 5 in the UK, a position i wouldn't award London, yet many consider London better than that. If we all had the same opinion there'd be no need for Zoochat!
 
Your spacial awareness is slightly off - those old aviaries are off to one side of the sun bear enclosure, and are behind the small carnivore house. As such the only way they could have been used for the sun bear exhibit would have been if the small carnivore house itself had been demolished and the area used for the sunbear enclosure.

Despite the departure of the marbled polecats and aardwolves in the past 12 months, this small carnivore house still houses two Tibetan Golden Cats (one having moved down from the rockdens when the zoo obtained Clouded Leopard) and the tucked away nature of the house makes these two individuals positively showy by cat standards - this would have been a BIG loss.

I agree about the value of the small carnivore house, but those aviaries are neither use nor ornament. I accept that the space would not be a useful addition to the bear's outdoor enclosure, but a second den would not be a waste of space if they ever swap one of the males for a female.

Alan
 
They would be more use, I feel, in being converted for offshow housing for the small carnivore house - or indeed another enclosure for said.
 
I think Tarzan & me will have to agree to disagree on Edinburgh! As i've said many times it has an excellent collection of species. Maybe some of the zoo's enclosures aren't great, but i wouldn't say any are really awful. I don't particularly like the monkey house, but it's a chance to step back in time to my earliest years of zoo visits.
I personally think ?15 represents probably almost as good value for money as you can get in the UK.
Difference of opinion & debate is good though, i rate Edinburgh easily top 5 in the UK, a position i wouldn't award London, yet many consider London better than that. If we all had the same opinion there'd be no need for Zoochat!

Yes, we always previously have agreed on most things we have discussed on here, hope we haven't fallen out:),What sticks in my throat as this zoo now stands is that it is the nearest"proper zoo" from the North East, 120 miles, other members in other parts of the country are more fortunate as they are in a position to be living nearer to other good zoos, eg. Chester, Colchester etc. Some lads with young families tell me about there visit to Edinburgh, not all are complimentary unfortunately, they don't think they have had value for money, even if they saw the giant pandas, not enough to see, remember we are not all zoo enthusiasts, even if we were, what has happened to Babirusa,, Bactrian Wapati, Arabian Oryx,hec cattle, before I even mention some of the more A.B.C. stuff, Bactrian camel, cheetah, ostrich and more. Our member Bele recently posted a list of species that left the collection in 2012, coincidently the year after the giant pandas arrived, perhaps they were hoping nobody would notice!?15, yes it is an average price to get into a decent zoo, Blackpool and Twycross are similar in price, today I paid ?20 each to get into Chester, and no car park charge neither, certaianly worth the extra fiver compared to what Edinburgh has on offer:)
 
Our member Bele recently posted a list of species that left the collection in 2012, coincidently the year after the giant pandas arrived, perhaps they were hoping nobody would notice!?

Well, let's take the species one by one....

Quite a few mammal species left the collection in the year - long-nosed potoroo , Moholi bushbaby , red titi monkey , Hamlyn's monkey , purple-faced leaf monkey , European souslik , European hamster , Southern and Northern Luzon cloud rats , maned wolf , European otter , marbled polecat , Patagonian sealion , warthog , Heck cattle .

Potoroo - left to make room for the new female Koala.

Bushbaby - did not fit the regional theming of that part of the zoo.

Red Titi - Final elderly individual died.

Hamlyn's Monkey - appears to have been phased out from UK zoos?

Purple-faced Langur - sent to a breeding centre in South Africa on studbook request, I believe; the same happened to all but one of the CWP individuals at the time.

Souslik - Had actually already died out at the collection in 2011 if you look at the figures, more arrived in 2012 but these also died out.

European Hamster - had never been onshow in the first place, last individual died.

Northern Cloudrat - sent to another collection to make way for....

Southern Cloudrat - which arrived during 2012 but died shortly after arrival.

Maned Wolf - last individuals sent elsewhere.

European otter - relocated to Highland Wildlife Park

Marbled Polecat - last individuals sent elsewhere.

Sealion - export of last individual had been planned for some time.

Warthog - last individual died.

Heck Cattle - last individuals sent elsewhere.

So of the 15 mammal species which Bele listed, 5 were species die-offs - and we don't know the exact motivation for moving many of the others. It is, I suspect, unfair to imply that they were conveniently disposed of due to the arrival of the giant pandas. We only know the specific reason for the departure of three species - the langur, the galago and the potoroo.
 
Well, let's take the species one by one....



Potoroo - left to make room for the new female Koala.

Bushbaby - did not fit the regional theming of that part of the zoo.

Red Titi - Final elderly individual died.

Hamlyn's Monkey - appears to have been phased out from UK zoos?

Purple-faced Langur - sent to a breeding centre in South Africa on studbook request, I believe; the same happened to all but one of the CWP individuals at the time.

Souslik - Had actually already died out at the collection in 2011 if you look at the figures, more arrived in 2012 but these also died out.

European Hamster - had never been onshow in the first place, last individual died.

Northern Cloudrat - sent to another collection to make way for....

Southern Cloudrat - which arrived during 2012 but died shortly after arrival.

Maned Wolf - last individuals sent elsewhere.

European otter - relocated to Highland Wildlife Park

Marbled Polecat - last individuals sent elsewhere.

Sealion - export of last individual had been planned for some time.

Warthog - last individual died.

Heck Cattle - last individuals sent elsewhere.

So of the 15 mammal species which Bele listed, 5 were species die-offs - and we don't know the exact motivation for moving many of the others. It is, I suspect, unfair to imply that they were conveniently disposed of due to the arrival of the giant pandas. We only know the specific reason for the departure of three species - the langur, the galago and the potoroo.

What happened to the Arabian oryx, surely a species that a conservation zoo would wish to highlight?, cheetah, I recall about ten years ago when the last one died that a notice was placed on the enclosure stating the fact but they were getting some new ones, I'm still waiting, just like I am looking forward to seeing the reopening of the Carnegie Aquarium which was closed for refurbishment many moons ago,
 
Neither of which the zoo went out of a year after the giant pandas arrived ;) and thus not relevant to the point I was refuting - unless you think they got rid of the oryx in 2003, and the cheetah prior to that, as part of a long term plan connected to acquiring the pandas :P
 
I am looking forward to seeing the reopening of the Carnegie Aquarium which was closed for refurbishment many moons ago,

While it sounds like this won't reopen anytime soon/ever, I am interested to know where it is/was? I'm presuming it was part of Edinburgh Zoo.
 
Hamlyn's Owl-faced Monkey. Edinburgh had the very last ones in the UK. I believe they 'faded out' rather than being 'phased out' though its pretty much the same thing.

I think perhaps the Bactrian Wapiti were being quarantined for the HWP (and the White-lipped deer also) and weren't intended to stay in Edinburgh. They also had the Persian Fallow deer for West Midlands too. Presumably being an urban Zoo they can quarantine hoofstock for other Zoos, as Belle Vue in Manchester used to do.
 
Hamlyn's Owl-faced Monkey. Edinburgh had the very last ones in the UK. I believe they 'faded out' rather than being 'phased out' though its pretty much the same thing.

Indeed; though having the disparate last survivors from the final collections in the UK to hold them concentrated into one place (Edinburgh) and then shipped to a continental collection strikes me more as a deliberate phase-out, implemented to manage the inevitable disappearance of the species.

I'm very glad that - unlike the now legendary reaction I had to seeing the last batch of Red Natal Duiker at Chester - when I saw the species at Edinburgh I *did* know they were unusual and special, and so always made a point of photographing them.
 
While it sounds like this won't reopen anytime soon/ever, I am interested to know where it is/was? I'm presuming it was part of Edinburgh Zoo.

The Carnegie Aquarium was situated at the bottom of the zoo, near to the old entrance, although not huge, sorry I cannot remember how many aquaria were in it as it is that long ago, it formed an interesting exhibit which enhanced the visitor's experience at the time. It closed in the seventies.
 
Hamlyn's Owl-faced Monkey. Edinburgh had the very last ones in the UK. I believe they 'faded out' rather than being 'phased out' though its pretty much the same thing.

I think perhaps the Bactrian Wapiti were being quarantined for the HWP (and the White-lipped deer also) and weren't intended to stay in Edinburgh. They also had the Persian Fallow deer for West Midlands too. Presumably being an urban Zoo they can quarantine hoofstock for other Zoos, as Belle Vue in Manchester used to do.

Regarding Edinburgh being used to quarantine animals for others, in the late fifties they quarantined a large number of dromedaries for Billy Smarts Circus, which they purchased from the French Foreign Legion.
 
Well, let's take the species one by one....

Northern Cloudrat - sent to another collection to make way for....

Sold to animal handlers. Prague zoo (studbook keeper) by lucky chance found out and managed to buy at least the experienced breeding female back from the trader last year.
 
The Carnegie Aquarium closed some thirty years ago, seawater having corroded its 1920s
ironwork beyond all hope of resurrection. It forms the part of the entrance complex nearest the Thistle Hotel.

Edinburgh is a unique zoo in the UK - the only one that was consciously modelled on Carl Hagenbeck's ideas. From the point of view of zoo history alone, that makes it interesting.
 
The Carnegie Aquarium was situated at the bottom of the zoo, near to the old entrance, although not huge, sorry I cannot remember how many aquaria were in it as it is that long ago, it formed an interesting exhibit which enhanced the visitor's experience at the time. It closed in the seventies.

The Carnegie Aquarium closed some thirty years ago, seawater having corroded its 1920s ironwork beyond all hope of resurrection. It forms the part of the entrance complex nearest the Thistle Hotel.

Thanks for the info. Seems many zoos have closed their aquariums over the years.
 
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