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The Hamlyn's were a pair comprised of an Edinburgh female and a male from Twycross, who eventually went to Poland (I think?) whilst remaining together. So they moved location but the pairing remained the same.



The tigers are currently in the big enclosure at the top of the hill - as such they are in the same general area, but not in the "Carnivore Row" itself.

Hamlyn's-so possibly they were deliberately phased out, rather than being sent in an effort to contribute more breeding. Or maybe some of both....

Tigers/Lions- must have moved since my last visit- it was a good many years back now.;)
 
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Ocelated turkey are still there-in aviaries by side exit/rhinos. Well at least one is anyway. Pelicans also still present. There are owls in the show that are not on display-great grey could be amongst them? There have been a few other arrivals in that time that haven't left yet I think too (mostly recent though)-smew, java sparrows? And when did the eurasian wolf leave because I never saw them at Edinburgh and I'm certain I moved up here quite a while before Chris West did? All small details though.
 
we could call an egm but that would involve getting a certain (not sure how much) amount of members to write in and call for it, although I reckon if it did happen there would easily be a vote of no confidence. certainly a lot of visitors have been put off by the hill now especially with the lack of mass transport to the top - mobility vehicle just for disabilities but not for small kids with the attitude being by corporate that kids can learn to walk. couple that with the decreasing amount of exhibits and everything being geared towards pandas and i do believe you are right, he really is running roughshod and the place will be run to the ground soon

I strongly suggest for the future of the zoo that you do call an E.G.M., remember, the C.E.O. is just an employee of the zoo like everyone else, they do not own the zoo, and therefore can be dismissed, best of luck, I sincerely hope things work out better for Edinburgh in the future, that is for the staff, visitors and the animals.
 
Was it? I thought it was fairly recently, all these years blend into one after a while!! :-)

Edinburgh lost the Bush Dogs in 2011 - as they died off due to chronic disease, the loss is one of the more understandable ones in any case.

Dave, I agree with you that the losses at Edinburgh are awful, probably worse than Marwell over the last 5 year's. However, I really don't see this somehow excuses what has happened to Marwell, over 30 mammal species lost & even fewer New ones brought in than Edinburgh! Like Edinburgh, New species are in most cases merely a 'lost' one returning after a gap of a few months or so.

Oh, not saying it does or does not excuse Marwell ;) just noting that compared to Edinburgh said collection still has a lot more of its "treasures" remaining.

And when did the eurasian wolf leave because I never saw them at Edinburgh and I'm certain I moved up here quite a while before Chris West did? All small details though.

Might have been wrong about the wolves - I thought they left in 2012 but it may have been earlier.
 
And when did the eurasian wolf leave because I never saw them at Edinburgh and I'm certain I moved up here quite a while before Chris West did? All small details though.

The Eurasian Wolves came from HWP if I recall and were in the area behind the tigers, to the right of the walkway up to the Zebras.

I 'think' the Maned Wolves moved there before they left the collection, but I think the Eurasian ones left earlier than 2012.

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A quick google reveals the Wolves came to the zoo in 2009

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-zoo-welcomes-back-pack-1023022
 
I find it somewhat interesting that members are now stating that Edinburgh is not as good as what it should be and are now complaining about the reduction in species being held. These are some of the same members who attempted to shoot me down in flames when I voiced my complaints on here after my visit to this zoo in the September of last year regarding a rather uninteresting, not enjoyable visit. I was told I was being unfair and bombarded with lists of animals that the zoo had in its collection etc, the only support I received was from Pertinax, and here we are today, after the revelations from someone who is obviously stating the truth and is very concerned about this zoo's future, saying how bad the place has become.
 
I was told I was being unfair and bombarded with lists of animals that the zoo had in its collection etc, the only support I received was from Pertinax, and here we are today, after the revelations from someone who is obviously stating the truth and is very concerned about this zoo's future, saying how bad the place has become.

To be fair you *had* said the following:

Edinburgh Zoo is old and shabby, it has a good penguin exhibit and a first class chimp house, apart from that there is nothing outstanding in this zoo

Certainly it was the last portion of that statement which I had issues with - in the intervening year a lot of the more outstanding facets of the collection have been, or will soon be, disposed of. I just hope the gibbon enclosure sticks around - soon the gibbons will be one of the few treasures left, and that enclosure is an excellent one.
 
To be fair you *had* said the following:



Certainly it was the last portion of that statement which I had issues with - in the intervening year a lot of the more outstanding facets of the collection have been, or will soon be, disposed of. I just hope the gibbon enclosure sticks around - soon the gibbons will be one of the few treasures left, and that enclosure is an excellent one.

i've not yet heard any rumblings as to getting rid of the gibbons so hopefully they're safe for now
 
To be fair you *had* said the following:



Certainly it was the last portion of that statement which I had issues with - in the intervening year a lot of the more outstanding facets of the collection have been, or will soon be, disposed of. I just hope the gibbon enclosure sticks around - soon the gibbons will be one of the few treasures left, and that enclosure is an excellent one.

Yes in fairness Dave, it was a year ago and the place has went down hill even more since from what I have observed, perhaps I could see the writing on the wall then, there is a saying "the older you get, the wiser you get":)I agree the gibbon enclosure is good, it was built at a time, about 12 years ago? when things appeared to be going well for the zoo and seamed to have an optimistic future.
 
What my Tea Loving namesake said! Perhaps those of us who visit regularly didn't see things the same way, in that we noticed the improvements but not the signs of fail. I did say after my last visit that there seemed to be more empty enclosures than before.

I don't think financially the Zoo's management has ever recovered from losing the Planning application, there certainly seems to be little sign of a cohesive masterplan.

There were signs of improvement under the previous (temporary) CEO, the place began to look a bit tidier and a bit better maintained, and some of the enclosures were improved and that has continued (The new Penguin pool for example, although that was to a certain extent forced on them by having to drain the main pool, but deciding to take that oppertunity to remake it was a good one).

However, the last year or so has seen a perceived change. You do wonder if the pandas are a financial sink hole, and they were pinning their hopes on a baby to boost numbers.
 
we'll just have to see how it happens and i am trying to work out how to get enough members to write in for an EGM
 
Alaotran bamboo lemur Moved to another collection
Von der Decken's hornbill Moved to another collection
Luzon bleeding-heart Unable to source a suitable mate moved on
Hamlyn's monkey Moved on
Eurasian otter Temporary exhibit, housed for another collection.
Eurasian beaver Temporary exhibit in preparation for Knapdale trial
Common Raven Escaped through hole in netting before repair could be made!
European wolverine Moved to HWP
Eurasian wolf Moved to other collection
European Souslik Did not make a good exhibit. Hibernated for 6 months
Greater kudu Lesser kudu still in collection
Guinea baboon House temporarily only on behalf of Paris.
Heck cattle Proved too difficult to house and were only temporary
Laughing Kookaburra Moved on as collection plan changed
Major Mitchell's cockatoo
South American sea lion Pool too costly to upgrade to current standards
Maned wolf Family group separated as part of the breeding programme
Moholi bushbaby Not always seen by public. Group had to be split as part of breeding programme
Northern Luzon giant cloud rat Not always seen by public
Eastern bongo Moved as part of breeding programme
Eastern aardwolf Moved as part of breeding programme
Blue crane Change in collection plan and moved for benefit of species
Andean cock-of-the-rock First male moved back to Germany re-studbook keeper. Second male was aggressive towards visitors and moved on
Red titi Change in collection plan
Taiga musk deer Single male died, age related
Southern Luzon giant cloud rat Only kept North Luzon Cloud Rat
Southern Lowland Wetzone Purple-faced Langur Problems as regards captive population globally. Moved on
Syrian marbled polecat Rarely seen by visitors
White-lipped deer Held as quarantine for HWP and Scottish Deer Centre
Amur Leopard Unsuitable pairing and initially in preparation for planned upgrade of walk enclosures
Indochinese clouded leopard Only seen once!
Jaguar See press release
Tibetan golden cat Problems with compatability of individuals. moved studbook recommendations
Sclater's black lemur Failed to breed, died due to age related issues

Personally I think it is not as straight forward as some are making out. A shake up needs to happen as regards the Gelada group who pretty much all share the same father, who is now very much well represented as a result. This will be a difficult one but they are a species which is ideally suited to Edinburgh's climate.
It will be sad to see the jaguars go, however the climate isn't the best for them.
Of the remaining cats, the historic range of Asiatic lions could well have include areas of a similar climate. The Scottish Wildcat is very much an awareness exhibit. Tigers generally are very adaptable cats.
RZSS generally works as a single collection on two sites basis, the two sites being Edinburgh Zoo and Highland Wildlife Park. All zoos have to constantly review collections, not only in their own right but as part of the larger managed captive populations. Sometimes this means some unpopular moves The modern zoo should put the overall captive population of species as part of ongoing conservation and research programmes higher than just keeping crowd pleasing species.
Some of the most intensive and expensive animals to keep can often be the biggest crowd pleasers! If you have a minimum size group of 6 meerkats, for example, you could be looking at a minimum of around £200 to £300 a week to feed! Whilst the change in the cats in the collection is the thing that has been announced today, other changes can be made that enhance the visitor experience and will no doubt be somewhere in the pipeline.
Incidentally, not all of the changes in collection have been since Chris West has arrived. Edinburgh Zoo could well be changing to become a "centre of excellence" for certain species along with non-invasive cognitive research and other non-invasive research. Indeed, you could see more zoos going down this route. Historically Edinburgh has made many "unpopular" decisions. As we learn more about new husbandry methods collections will and must change. Watch this space!
Funny over 12 months ago,when I heard from a member of staff the Golden Cats were moving,by recommendation of the studbook,I got in touch to see what the problem was and the studbook knew nothing about Edinburgh going out of them!!

But then that said member of staff also said that Chris West had said that it was because,they were the last ones of the sub-species left in Europe which is bollocks as its one of the 2 sub-species most common left in Europe!!!!

All in all what you have said sounds very much like pr bull manure to me!!!
 
hearing from my various contacts, seems a lot of members are now furious and are planning to write in to call an egm so with any luck, change can happen as many are feeling like they want to cancel memberships. whilst i understand that sometimes changes need to happen at the zoo and unpopular moves need to be taken, it needs to be balanced against the visitor experience and given how many things have gone off show or been removed from the zoo this past year, taking out more stuff (especially really popular animals) will for all intents and purposes have a really negative impact on the visitor experience side of things which as a knock on will result in less people coming.
 
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hearing from my various contacts, seems a lot of members are now furious and are planning to write in to call an egm so with any luck, change can happen as many are feeling like they want to cancel memberships. whilst i understand that sometimes changes need to happen at the zoo and unpopular moves need to be taken, it needs to be balanced against the visitor experience and given how many things have gone off show or been removed from the zoo this past year, taking out more stuff (especially really popular animals) will for all intents and purposes have a really negative impact on the visitor experience side of things which as a knock on will result in less people coming. and as said before,

Hello Rica Fan, Stick to your guns, I am one hundred per cent sure that you are genuine, as is everything you have posted on here today. Think positive and you might get somewhere, think negative and you will definitely get nowhere, advice given to me years ago by a wise Jewish friend of mine, I still take this advice to this day and pass on the advice to youngsters.A saying I have myself is if you have a problem try to solve it just don't talk and think about it, try to solve it, It is as plain as the nose on your face that Edinburgh Zoo has a problem, right try to solve it and call an E.G.M as soon as possible. As for Simon's post, I agree Mr. Zoogiraffe, I suggest it was rather "staged managed"!
 
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Hello Rica Fan, Stick to your guns, I am one hundred per cent sure that you are genuine, as is everything you have posted on here today. Think positive and you might get somewhere, think negative and you will definitely get nowhere, advice given to me years ago by a wise Jewish friend of mine, I still take this advice to this day and pass on the advice to youngsters.A saying I have myself is if you have a problem try to solve it just don't talk and think about it, try to solve it, It is as plain as the nose on your face that Edinburgh Zoo has a problem, right try to solve it and call an E.G.M as soon as possible. As for Simon's post, I agree Mr. Zoogiraffe, I suggest it was rather "staged managed"!

thank you very much animal friendly, i really appreciate the kind words and encouragement, makes me feel like there is hope again
 
I'm only posting what I was aware of. Personally speaking I'd rather we didn't move back in to meerkats. They are way too common and I commend any collection for not keeping them!
Edinburgh held off show one species that I would dearly have loved to have seen but never got a chance to in the European hamster. Whilst keeping them they discovered how vicious they could be, something any hamster enthusiast could have told them. Although a species not endangered in there eastern ranges they are protected in Western Europe where French farmers have fallen foul of the law as regards targeted pest control against them.

I strongly suggest Simon there are far more important, pressing issues facing Edinburgh Zoo at present than where the meerkats will be residing this week. You state"watch this space", do the visitors who have paid £4 just to park their car,pay to get in and buy very mediocre food from the catering facilities,see an ever decreasing, uninteresting collection of animals and not even now able to avail themselves of the land train. have the patience to "watch this space", perhaps this statement refers to next year when"the female giant panda may be pregnant" at another desperate attempt by AI,
 
The cloud rats regardless of subspecies were totally unsuited for Edinburgh anyway, with it's lack of nocturnal house! I can only suggest luck with the douroucoullis!

Funny enough, the only cloud rat species I have seen housed in a nocturnal setting was the Panay down at London - and that was the least active and showy of the three taxa I've seen! I never failed to see the Northern at Edinburgh, and they bred quite well where they were too. Leipzig has had similar success with the Southern Luzon in their bird house, which is also a daylight building. It makes one wonder how plastic their tastes are.

If only Edinburgh *could* get Ethiopian Wolf though...... as I am sure anyone that knows me would guess, I'd love those to come to Europe to start an insurance population. :p
 
I strongly suggest Simon there are far more important, pressing issues facing Edinburgh Zoo at present than where the meerkats will be residing this week. You state"watch this space", do the visitors who have paid £4 just to park their car,pay to get in and buy very mediocre food from the catering facilities,see an ever decreasing, uninteresting collection of animals and not even now able to avail themselves of the land train. have the patience to "watch this space", perhaps this statement refers to next year when"the female giant panda may be pregnant" at another desperate attempt by AI,

all very good points often brought up by visitors which we volunteers pass on and are disregarded completely
 
I was just about to comment on Simon's recent post but I now see has deleted it!, I will answer anyway:), I agree that if the zoo did not charge parking then the car park would probably fill up with cars owned by people not visiting the zoo, £4 however is too expensive, why not do as my local Asda does, pay a parking charge, get a ticket from a machine and present it at the cash desk when paying for your purchases, the parking fee is then deducted from your bill. Also I do not find the justification for the food served at this zoo being mediocre, as well as over priced I may add being valid when suggested that everywhere in Edinburgh is serving overpriced, sub standard food, if that is the case, I thought this was The Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, not some burger and chips joint, with an attitude like this I am therefore not surprised that people who I have spoken to regarding their visitor experience were not exactly satisfied, and that is before they comment on a very poor show regarding the actual animals on show.
 
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