End of wild animals in circus, dolphinariums and mink breeding centers

GiratinaIsGod said:
You can't compear a institution like Zoos, with a history education and conservation. With a circus, a simple source of entertainment. With no deeper meaning.Wih little care for animal walfare
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First of all, many (if not most) circuses DO care about animal welfare. Second of all, do you really think the average member of the public really zoos as places of "education and conservation"? I think most people see zoos the same way they see circuses. Circuses get banned first because of the negative connotation of them (created by animal rights groups with little root in truth), but zoos aren't far behind...
 
GiratinaIsGod said:
You can't compear a institution like Zoos, with a history education and conservation. With a circus, a simple source of entertainment. With no deeper meaning.Wih little care for animal walfare
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Well, @birdsandbats did put it on a shorter explanation, but I might as well say it after spending some time in this.

Before the invention of the television and the advancement of public transportation, circuses were the only way people living in small towns and rural areas got to see animals that are as uncommon as a dromedary. It might not be as educational as a modern zoo bringing awareness about endangered species, but at the time, being taught that there are beasts such as kangaroos or warthogs is still teaching the general public something. The public still becomes aware of something, therefore the circus has a history of education. Also let's not forget that most modern zoos started as mere pet collections without any "deeper meaning" or any of the activities they self-congratulate over today.

People like you wouldn't even bat an eye if circuses improve their animal welfare because they are doing something that you don't like.

I'm sure you have heard of Martin Niemöller's "First they came...". If you think that noble modern zoos are going to survive the animal rights rhetoric and the gullible public and government, even after helping them abolish the novel, "cruel","inappropriate" use of wildlife, think again. To expect the banned groups to help the noble, is naïve (although some might sympathize and forgive modern zoos as well).
 
It's not connected directly to the thread but Parc Astérix, one of the three delphinariums of France, indicate today the end of its dolphins show. In this way, the eight dolphins and five sealions will leave in the next two months for other european parks (no more info).
They were thinking about it for three years and the delphinarium was in a poor condition.
 
What exactly does "poor condition" mean in this case? As I was visiting Parc Astérix about 4 years ago, I couldn't see anything that was worser then the pools/exhibits for dolphins in most other European Delphinaria.
By the way: I appreciate in one way that Parc Astérix will send away its dolphins. Not because I thought that they were not kept adequate, but more because they did not fit with the theming (Although there is an Astérix-story where dolphins have a little apperance if I remember correctly, but still...). What bothers me on the other hand is the fact that such announcements are "water on the mills" (German saying) of animal rights activists.
 
After long discussions deputies and senators found an agreement to vote the law. So the measures are the following :
- end of commercial explotation for wild animals by prohibiting their breeding and acquisition in the next 2 years.
- wild animals in itinerant circuses will be banned in 7 years.
- cetacean will be banned in 5 years.
- fur breeding farms (minks) will be prohibited (I don't know the date).
- sale of kittens and pups in pet shops will be banned january 1st 2024.

We will not have more details for the moment until the law is fully passed.
 
Antoine said:
end of commercial explotation for wild animals by prohibiting their breeding and acquisition in the next 2 years.
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Define "wild animal". Will the definition include commonly kept exotics (and non-conventional domestics) such as birds, snakes, and ferrets?
 
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