European (Tea)Cup - FINALS LEAGUE - Chester vs Prague

Chester vs Prague - GRASSLAND AND DESERT

  • Chester 5/0 Prague

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  • Chester 4/1 Prague

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  • Chester 3/2 Prague

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  • Prague 5/0 Chester

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    19
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TeaLovingDave

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I must admit that ever since it became apparent that this match was liable to happen eventually, I have been rather looking forward to seeing how it goes - the last time these collections faced off against one another, it produced perhaps the closest-fought and most interesting match in *any* of the iterations of the Cup that have been held over the years, with Chester knocking Prague out of the competition by a single point after a record total of 45 unique votes.

Given the current iteration of the Cup has never attracted *that* many votes, and participation has been dwindling, I don't think this match will be quite as active..... but if any match can cause a massive boost in participation it will be this one! Will Prague redeem itself, or will Chester prove itself once again? Only your votes and the category of GRASSLAND AND DESERT can determine which way things will go......
 
This is another really interesting one.

On the one hand Prague: Africa Up Close, the savanna, Gobi desert area, Brown hyenas, Lear's macaw, numerous reptile exhibits and so on. On the other, Chester - Heart of Africa, the rhinos, but maybe not much else? I haven't got to see Heart of Africa yet, so am largely undecided but giving it tentatively to Prague right now.
 
Unfortunately, "Heart of Africa" was still under construction during my last visit, so I really can't vouch for Chester as much as I'd like to.

It's not that they don't have anything outside that, but I see Chester as a Tropical Forest zoo first and foremost.
 
I’ve been to both collections, but in Chester’s case, a little while before Heart of Africa opened. I am getting the feeling that Prague is far ahead here, with a myriad of excellent relevant hoofstock enclosures in the centre of the zoo, some truly excellent desert terraria throughout (not sure if any zoo I have been to does desert landscapes in reptile enclosures as well as Prague), a couple aviaries, and of course the savannah.

If nobody has beaten me to it, I will type up a long-form overview of Prague’s performance in this category this afternoon.
 
As promised, here is the photographic overview.

Across the Continents:

There are several relevant species in this strangely miscellaneous exhibit, such as Turkmenian Kulan, Addax, Maned Wolf, Guanaco and of course the Brown Hyenas! There are a few others that could count but I'm not too sure, such as Eastern Wallaroo.

Like most of the northern half of the zoo, atop the cliff, this part of the zoo is characterised by mature trees, abundant greenery and long grass, which makes for some really attractive enclosures. The Kulan enclosure is a little more akin to your generic, sandy hoofstock yard, but is still visually appealing. All enclosures are spacious, and the highlight with regards to exhibitry, much as in terms of collection, is the Brown Hyena enclosure: a pair of equally sized paddocks separated by a well-disguised moat, very undulating and littered with hidden dens.

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@vogelcommando - Brown Hyena enclosure.

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@Robaque - Addax enclosure.

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@vogelcommando - Guanaco enclosure.

Africa Up Close:

A very interesting exhibit, in that it focuses solely on the often-overlooked smaller fauna of the African continent. I believe that the educational value of such an exhibit is quite immense, as the average visitor won't know the wildlife of Africa beyond the photogenic savannah giants. It's winding design makes it a little more visually engaging than most similar exhibits for assortments of smaller animals. There is also an outdoor area attached, which I really liked for its tasteful rockwork and garden-like ambience, being hidden away from the rest of the busy zoo and only accessed by a staircase. Chester actually has an answer to this in the new 'Heart of Africa' exhibit with 'the Hidden Savannah.' A bit of me wonders if Prague's exhibit in any way inspired this one...

Highlights here include the enormous troop of 8 or more Senegal Bushbabies, the Mechow's Mole-rats (whose enclosure actually lets them dig for once!), the very rarely kept Garnett's Greater Bushbaby, Honey Badgers and a few vivariums towards the end, which struck me as being some of the largest and best-landscaped desert enclosures that I have seen, with the thickness of the sand layer being especially commendable. A grasslands-based reptilian highlight would be the Vaillant's Mabuya.

There are no photos of the desert terrariums, but there are photos of a very similar one in the Feline and Reptile Pavilion which I will attach later.

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@lintworm - Moholi Bushbaby and jumping rat enclosure. The aforementioned Senegals have a similar one next door which they share with tenrecs.

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@lintworm - outdoor portion, featuring the likes of Honey Badger, Bat-eared Fox and Cape Ground Squirrel to name just a few.

An unfortunate lowlight of the pavilion (which it would be unfair to Chester not to mention) is the selection of small mouse enclosures near the entrance, almost all of which are far too small, even for the really small species they contain. For example:

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@vogelcommando - Barbary Striped Mouse enclosure.

Hippo Pavilion:

Not sure if the hippos themselves count (as they are surely more of a 'water' species), but the series of excellent grassy antelope paddocks that surround their enclosure surely do. These hold Eastern Bongo, Nile Lechwe, and another rarity, Mhorr Gazelle.

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@vogelcommando - Eastern Bongo enclosure.

Elephant Valley:

Prague has a good Asian Elephant enclosure which is often forgotten about. With three enclosures (one for the herd, one for the bull, and a third massive one which I believe alternates between the two), there is a lot of space and good separation options, but what really struck me was the abundance of grass, with the main herd's enclosure in particular being gorgeously green. Compare it to the sandy yard at Chester and it is certainly much easier on the eyes, although of course one could argue that the structural complexity makes the Chester enclosure superior. Both, I thought, were a little let down by mediocre indoor areas, especially Chester.

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@Kalaw - elephant herd paddock.

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@MagpieGoose - elephant indoor area.

African Savannah:

Prague's African Savannah is widely accepted as being one of the best in an urban zoo. I'm not sure how the new one at Chester compares to it, though. It spans 1.5 hectares (3.7 acres), has almost complete grass coverage, and features a really large roster of species that includes Beisa Oryx, Black Sable and Kafue Lechwe, both a little unusual in a mixed-species setting such as this. My favourite aspect, however, were the many European Sousliks. Prague is responsible for breeding and releasing 400 of these to the wild, after they were nearly wiped to extinction in Czechia, and although technically wild, their preferred place to linger is this savannah (fittingly, as it was in a big offshow cage behind the savannah that they were bred). As well as being something very commendable in terms of conservation value, the sousliks are endlessly entertaining and add something very special and interesting to the savannah viewing experience.

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@Chapman'szebra - main savannah.

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@twilighter - showcasing how far back it extends, although do note that since the image was taken a little bit of the far left corner has been severed off for the construction of 'Dja Reserve,' the new gorilla exhibit.

Opposite the savannah is the African Pavilion, the indoors for the giraffes, where one can also see displays for Meerkats, Aardvarks and Kirk's Dik-diks, all in decent enclosures. The indoor areas for the latter two particularly struck me as spacious.

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@Robaque - viewing gallery for dik-diks and aardvarks.

Also in this area is a second Eastern Bongo paddock.

Plains:

In my review, I remarked upon how I thought this was the most unremarkable area at Prague Zoo, because it is just a series of so-so hoofstock enclosures. In hindsight, I was wrong. In my mind, I expected something Whipsnade-esque, deserving of the 'plains' monicker, but in reality, none of the hoofstock paddocks are necessarily sprawling (although none are small either), and the aforementioned mature tree coverage that is such a staple of the northern half of Prague Zoo prevails again, meaning it doesn't really feel like a plains. That, and the law of diminishing returns with the almost overwhelming amount of hoofstock present in the northern half of the zoo, is why I took to it so badly, but in the time since then, I have tried to think of any area of any zoo I have been to even remotely similar to this one, and I haven't been able to. All the hoofstock paddocks (except maybe the European Bison one) are large, well-landscaped, and designed in such a way that does well to evoke the habitat of the species it holds: peccary have a rugged landscape, takin have a slightly hilly one, and camels have a very grassy paddock. There are plenty of rarities here: Kiang, Javan Rusa and Chacoan Peccary, for example. The whole thing has a charm to it which I would very much like to return to Prague to appreciate better. And from an animals' perspective, the enclosures are good, too.

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@Kalaw - Chacoan Peccary enclosure.

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@vogelcommando - Burmese Brow-antlered Deer enclosure.

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@Swedish Zoo Fan - European Bison enclosure; not bad, but definitely the weakest link here.

Gobi:

Prague's newest exhibit. To quote how I described it in a previous thread where it was relevant: "it's really good. With a lot of impressive educational material depicting Prague's extensive in situ conservation work with the Przewalski's Horse without ever coming across as distasteful or excessive, with a wonderful modern, clean feel to it all. There is a Przewalski's Horse enclosure that is one of the very few to provide sand substrate rather than concrete or grass, and a series of noteworthy reptiles and small mammals indoors ranging from Steppe Lemming to Tartar Sand Boa (the species that inspired the myth of the 'Mongolian death worm') and the only Mongolian Sunwatcher Agamas in Europe." The reptiles I referred to are kept in another really attractively landscaped desert terrarium, which proves even exhibits that appear simple require skill and attention to landscape to perfection.

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@Kalaw - Przewalski's Horse enclosure.

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@MagpieGoose - educational features and terraria.

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@Green_mamba - Long-eared Hedgehog enclosure.

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@Green_mamba - for a selection of lizards, including those Mongolian Sunwatcher Agamas!

More photos to come!
 
Rock Outcrop:

Prague's famous cliff exhibits are widely loved for the mountain goat enclosures and the huge aviaries. But what so often goes unappreciated are the pair of gorgeous open-topped vivariums for native Czech reptiles. While not all of the six native species here count, I think some (such as Sand Lizard and Grass Snake) certainly do. Chester also has an outdoors Sand Lizard and Adder enclosure (again, not sure if the adders would count), but Prague's is infinitely superior with regards to landscaping. There are long grasses, thick bushes, fallen branches, and a variety of hidden ponds and puddles that create what felt to me like a living work of art, where I could have spent hours searching for signs of occasional movement in each nook and cranny of the layered and carefully constructed enclosure. Ultimately, I could only see a pair of Dice Snakes, several European Green Lizards, and some unsigned fish, but this enclosure will be where I spend at least half an hour in admiration when I return to Prague.

Sadly, there are no photos in the gallery. If any readers have personal photos they could share, then please do.

Bird Wetlands:

Like the name suggests, this area is mostly for wetlands birds that would suit 'water' better than this category (I don't imagine we can count the Shoebills here, for instance?). But there are sadly some Secretary Birds, pinioned in a fully open-topped valley. A nice space, but a shame that the birds there can't ever fly.

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@Jana - Secretary Bird meadow.

Feline and Reptile Pavilion:

This controversial exhibit is widely accepted as having an excellent reptile section (on the 'island' in the centre of the house), and a rather mediocre feline section around the perimeter, none of the inhabitants of which, I believe, count for this category. Although I would disagree about the poverty of the cat exhibits, I would agree that the reptile enclosures are excellent, including the aforementioned one for desert species, a particular favourite of mine. In fact, it was at this terrarium in particular where I began to appreciate just how good Prague is at simple but effective landscaping, particularly where it comes to reptiles.

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@Maguari - home to rarities such as Desert Spiny Lizard, Zebra-tailed Lizard, Eastern Collared Lizard and Giant Horned Lizards. Watching the Zebra-taileds bury themselves in the sand, then re-emerge with such ease, was very entertaining even as someone who typically has no interest in lizards.

There are more, similar terrariums elsewhere in the building, for more interesting rarities, such as one of only two Iraqi Spiny-tailed Lizard displays at a European zoo. There are also Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnakes for venomous snake lovers.

Not actually within the house, but adjacent to it, are South African Cheetahs in a lovely hilly enclosure, which is excellent for the animals, although viewing for visitors is limited to a single sheltered lodge. It's so restrictive, that the best view I could find of it is an aerial view, shown below:

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@Maguari - cheetah complex from above.

Rakos' Pavilion:

I'm fairly sure only one aviary counts here: the Caatinga Aviary. That said, it does have one fascinating inhabitant, that being the Lear's Macaw, who share with another rarity in Red-cowled Cardinal. Note the various cacti and other interesting desert vegetation.

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@lintworm - Lear's Macaw and Red-cowled Cardinal aviary.

Darwin Crater:

Another newer, and charmingly modern and refreshing, exhibit, mainly for Tasmanian fauna, although with a few from mainland Australia.

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@lintworm - Bush / Outback aviary, with mostly mainland birds such as frogmouths.

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@lintworm - Tasmanian Wombat enclosure, with good grass coverage, plenty of space, another near-identical enclosure attached, and a large onshow indoor area.

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@vogelcommando - an unusually hilly Grey Kangaroo and Bennett's Wallaby walkthrough.

I don't think the tassies, echidnas and potoroos count?

Bororo Reserve:

The site of the zoo's former elephant and hippo enclosures has now been transformed mostly into a playground, although there are still some miscellaneous habitats for South American mammals, as well as a Terrarium in a former elephant viewing gallery, of which a few inhabitants count.

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@vogelcommando - Brazilian Tapir enclosure.

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@Chapman'szebra - Giant Anteater enclosure.

Australia:

Something that I should have covered in the previous post given its position in the zoo. This is a far less imaginative Australian zone than Darwin Crater, and the older of the two, but together with its more modern counterpart, and the wallaroos in 'Across the Continents,' Prague may be one of the best zoos in Europe for Australian fauna.

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@Kalaw - Red Kangaroo enclosure with views of the city centre behind thanks to well-hidden fences and its position in relation to the cliff.

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@vogelcommando - Emu enclosure.

That isn't everything. Some of Prague's countless aviaries (such as the native species ones in 'Nature Around Us' or the ibis walkthrough beneath the cliff) quite possibly have several relevant species within them, but I don't really have the time to go through and confirm.

Overall, Prague is really strong here. The mice and pinioned secretary birds are the only mediocre enclosures I can think of here, and there is a lot that is truly outstanding. I think the wide assortment of rare hoofstock, consistently high standard of vivarium landscaping and the anomalous focus of several pavilions (such as 'Africa Up Close' and 'Darwin Crater') grants them the advantage. For their decent hoofstock collection and exhibitry, excellent work with Black Rhinoceros, and the Tsavo Aviary (which I imagine mostly counts), Chester is decent here and does not deserve a 4-1 loss, though I do think its closer to 4-1 Prague than 3-2 Chester.

3-2 Prague for now.
 
I am getting the feeling that Prague is far ahead here, with a myriad of excellent relevant hoofstock enclosures in the centre of the zoo, some truly excellent desert terraria throughout (not sure if any zoo I have been to does desert landscapes in reptile enclosures as well as Prague), a couple aviaries, and of course the savannah.

Overall, Prague is really strong here. The mice and pinioned secretary birds are the only mediocre enclosures I can think of here, and there is a lot that is truly outstanding. I think the wide assortment of rare hoofstock, consistently high standard of vivarium landscaping and the anomalous focus of several pavilions (such as 'Africa Up Close' and 'Darwin Crater') grants them the advantage. For their decent hoofstock collection and exhibitry, excellent work with Black Rhinoceros, and the Tsavo Aviary (which I imagine mostly counts), Chester is decent here and does not deserve a 4-1 loss, though I do think its closer to 4-1 Prague than 3-2 Chester.

This pretty much summarises my point of view in the matter.

Overall, I think this is one of those interesting cases where if the match-up was altered in any way the end result would be very different - Prague would easily merit a win comprised of 4-1 and even 5-0 votes against the vast majority of Cup competitors, but equally Chester would merit a solid 3-2 and 4-1 win in the same situation, and as such is one of the few zoological collections which is strong enough to significantly "water down" Prague's victory.

Thanks for putting in the effort to write-up your excellent breakdown of what Prague has to offer in this regard @Kalaw :) I very much hope that someone is willing to provide a similar resource for Chester in order to demonstrate my above point, but if no one bothers to do so by tomorrow night I'll get something thrown together!
 
I very much hope that someone is willing to provide a similar resource for Chester in order to demonstrate my above point, but if no one bothers to do so by tomorrow night I'll get something thrown together!

Last chance for someone to provide a proper summary for Chester to avoid me having to do so :) but in the interim, a minor point which may give them a jumping-off point:

On the other, Chester - Heart of Africa, the rhinos, but maybe not much else? I haven't got to see Heart of Africa yet, so am largely undecided but giving it tentatively to Prague right now.

You are correct that Grasslands/HoA is the major drawing-point for Chester as regards this category, but you've forgotten a few other relevant exhibits and species, including the following:

  • Jaguar
  • Onager
  • Bactrian Camel
  • Asian Elephant
  • Lion
  • Waldrapp
 
Valid selections, but even that alone pales to what Prague seems to have, and even then, there's noticeable differences. I don't think Chester's elephant enclosure is bad, for example, but Prague's blows it out of the water from what the screenshots suggest.
 
and as such is one of the few zoological collections which is strong enough to significantly "water down" Prague's victory.

Hmm, i know to little about Chester to bring up anything useful for this match, but especially after the Berlin match i kind of got the feeling, that Prague winning literally every match is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
Hmm, i know to little about Chester to bring up anything useful for this match, but especially after the Berlin match i kind of got the feeling, that Prague winning literally every match is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

This is one of the biggest problems with the significant drop in participation and the loss of several members who were highly active in past cups - a distinct reduction in the number of people willing or able to argue for/against any given collections.

For comparison, the last Chester vs Prague match was about six pages long and saw nearly 50 people voting, and ended with Prague not only losing but going out of the competition due to prior losses!
 
As much as I'd love to be able to vouch for Chester, I really can't, certainly not after seeing the Prague photos. Even if I actually knew about the new Heart of Africa section (which I didn't get to see), I feel it's kind of at a disadvantage.
 
As much as I'd love to be able to vouch for Chester, I really can't, certainly not after seeing the Prague photos. Even if I actually knew about the new Heart of Africa section (which I didn't get to see), I feel it's kind of at a disadvantage.

Not that it matters now, but you need not actually *side* with a given collection in order to provide information and/or photographs relating to the collection :) incidentally, quite a lot was posted with regards to the new Africa area a few weeks ago when the Chester vs Burgers match happened!

In any case, a quieter match than I expected and hoped, but with a result which was apparent from early on:

Chester - 36/95 points - 37.895%
Prague - 59/95 points - 62.105%
 
I know, but Chester is the only one I've been to, so I kinda HAVE to.

Well, that's my point - even if you didn't want to vote due to the fact you haven't visited Prague (despite your belief it should win the match) you could have still provided a summary of what Chester had to offer based on your own experience :)
 
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