European zoo attendance

I'm not so sure... Chi-Chi and the others certainly 'did it' for London. But, when I was a child I remember 'Pipaluk' and there was 'Brumas' before him. Both were heavily promoted in a pre-internet world, with TV, mechandising, the works... and produced huge numbers of visitors (equally as many as the Pandas) despite the fact that Polar Bears were found in every other zoo in Europe, zoos big and small.
I'm really talking international tourists. As I child in Australia I certainly knew about Chi-Chi but had no idea about polar bears at London Zoo.
 
Interesting information. The Zoo Aquarium Association here which covers both Australia and New Zealand claims 22 million visits to members per annum. With a combined population of 30 million this suggests a remarkable .73 visits per person per annum. Perhaps one thing that can be said is that all the large conventional zoos that have been around for more than 50 years are government run or supported.

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Does that figure include Singapore, though?
 
Does that figure include Singapore, though?
No, I don't believe so. I will double check next week. If it did it would still be .61 visits per person per annum.
 
Then it seems a little high?

If I were to guess at where each zoo fits into lintworm’s categories, I think it’ll be something like this. Question marks are where I suspect they might be close to falling below the cut-off in that category.

1,000,000+
Melbourne
Taronga
Sea World
Dreamworld
Sydney Aquarium?

500,000-1,000,000
Irwinland
Adelaide
Perth
Auckland
Melbourne Aquarium
Kelly Tarlton?

250,000-500,000
Healesville
Werribee
Cleland?
AQWA
Wellington
Sea Life Sunshine Coast

100,000-250,000
Lone Pine
Monarto
Caversham?
National Zoo and Aquarium
Featherdale
Ballarat
Currumbin
Dubbo
Australian Reptile Park
Cairns Aquarium
Obama
Hamilton

Maybe there’s a couple of dubious cases like Melbourne Aquarium and Blackbutt Reserve doing a lot of work. I think Seaworld’s case for being a ‘zoo’ is a lot stronger than Dreamworld’s too, but I suspect the latter might make up something approaching 10% of the 22 million figure.
 
Speaking of Singapore I just checked the total of all four attractions and it came to 5 million out of a population of 5.6 million people giving a ratio of 0.89 visits per person. (Add in the aquarium and it would probably exceed 1) Of course Singapore is another example where the tourism market has been deliberately targeted by zoos, however I understand now the zoos there are focusing on primarily serving the recreational needs of residents.
 
Speaking of Singapore I just checked the total of all four attractions and it came to 5 million out of a population of 5.6 million people giving a ratio of 0.89 visits per person. (Add in the aquarium and it would probably exceed 1) Of course Singapore is another example where the tourism market has been deliberately targeted by zoos, however I understand now the zoos there are focusing on primarily serving the recreational needs of residents.

With the exception of Night Safari, which remains very much a tourist trap.
 
Then it seems a little high?

If I were to guess at where each zoo fits into lintworm’s categories, I think it’ll be something like this. Question marks are where I suspect they might be close to falling below the cut-off in that category.

1,000,000+
Melbourne
Taronga
Sea World
Dreamworld
Sydney Aquarium?

500,000-1,000,000
Irwinland
Adelaide
Perth
Auckland
Melbourne Aquarium
Kelly Tarlton?

250,000-500,000
Healesville
Werribee
Cleland?
AQWA
Wellington
Sea Life Sunshine Coast

100,000-250,000
Lone Pine
Monarto
Caversham?
National Zoo and Aquarium
Featherdale
Ballarat
Currumbin
Dubbo
Australian Reptile Park
Cairns Aquarium
Obama
Hamilton

Maybe there’s a couple of dubious cases like Melbourne Aquarium and Blackbutt Reserve doing a lot of work. I think Seaworld’s case for being a ‘zoo’ is a lot stronger than Dreamworld’s too, but I suspect the latter might make up something approaching 10% of the 22 million figure.
I took the figure from the website, but will check what is covered.

However I think you are underestimating a few places and and also missed a couple.
 
Don’t trouble yourself with any follow-up, it’s just ideal speculation on my part. :)
 
I'm really talking international tourists. As I child in Australia I certainly knew about Chi-Chi but had no idea about polar bears at London Zoo.

Those two Polar Bears were equal to Chi-Chi over here, but were cute cubs of course - and the latest such has done wonders for Highland in the last couple of years. He is unique now over here though, as most zoos going back into bears seem to be taking old or non-breeding 'rescue' animals.

I still have a feeling that the way a story is told, is equally (if not more) important than the story itself.
 
With the exception of Night Safari, which remains very much a tourist trap.
Apparently even the Night Safari now has a majority of local patrons.
 
Czech Republic

Number of zoos with:

> 1.000.000 visitors................ 1
500.000 - 1.000.000 visitors... 3
250.000 - 500.000 visitors...... 7
<250.000 visitors.................... 3

I think there should be 4 zoos in the 500000 - 1000000 category for Czech Republic: Ostrava, Plzen, Dvur and Zlin.

EDIT: I didn't notice that you were using older data, in that case, those data are correct
 
Overall zoos don't do well in the tourism market because they tend not to have a unique selling point that makes visitors feel they have to visit while on tour. Museums typically have objects that can only be seen in that museum, the ultimate example being the Mona Lisa. People think they can see lions and tigers back in their home zoos. The only example I can think of a zoo with a single species with broad public appeal is in the '60's when London Zoo was the only place you could see a giant panda. San Diego has established a brand as the "best zoo in the world" and attracts visitors from all over as does Australia Zoo, trading on the Steve Irwin legacy. Burgers Zoo found after they built their tropical hall with restaurant that they attracted visitors from a much wider area than before (ie out into Germany and France) and in significant numbers in winter as well.

In the coming decade I think we are really going to see to what extent Pairi Daiza can become a destination zoo in Europe. If you look at the plans for their tropical 'dome' it seems it is intended to be enough of a draw by itself in winter that people will come and the rest of the zoo is just bonus.
 
Overall zoos don't do well in the tourism market because they tend not to have a unique selling point that makes visitors feel they have to visit while on tour.

I can't agree with this, at least when it comes to major Czech zoos...

• Prague is packed with tourists from abroad all year long (In winter you hear more Russian than Czech there), even though the city is packed with ton of other possible attractions.

• Plzen is targeted by Germans during summer, there are buses of them arriving every week.

• Being so close to Polish borders, Ostrava is non-surprisingly major player in Polish market, the zoo is now directly focusing at them with offering guided tours in polish language and other stuff. Dvur Kralove is very simmilar in this.

• Zlin heavily profits from absence of good zoo in Slovakia.
 
Being so close to Polish borders, Ostrava is non-surprisingly major player in Polish market, the zoo is now directly focusing at them with offering guided tours in polish language and other stuff. Dvur Kralove is very simmilar in this.

When visiting Dvůr Králové in September 2019, I actually heard more Polish being spoken by by visitors than I did Czech!
 
1.Berlin Zoo & Aquarium........................... 2.953.178 **

19. Berlin Tierpark...................................... 1.427.920

This illustrates how important is a convenient transport connection for a zoo. Zoos should first lobby their local governments for new direct public transport lines to the zoo.
 
This illustrates how important is a convenient transport connection for a zoo. Zoos should first lobby their local governments for new direct public transport lines to the zoo.

'Public' transport in the UK is not provided by Government, but by private companies - but yes, successful local Government 'lobbying' could well be (one of) the contributing factors behind the huge visitation at YWP and Chester for example. In our case, they wont let us have mains sewerage, put in the correct road signs we are legally entitled to, take away rubbish or mend the roads, let alone put on buses - despite our being the largest zoo in the county.
 
I think a new bus line to a zoo is something easy to lobby for. There is a win-win situation - the bus line gets the tickets, the zoo gets extra visitors. There are relatively low 'sunk' costs.
 
I think a new bus line to a zoo is something easy to lobby for..

!! REALLY !! - you ought to join the real world and offer your professional services to Whipsnade, Cotswold, or dozens of others - a subject covered on here so many times. Just look at the UK thread.
 
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