Randomname0183
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It might’ve been covered before, but is there any info on Antwerp’s manatees? I believe both African and West Indian were held, with there being a few pictures of the African specimens on the platform.
I discovered that a 3rd guiana tuxuci arrived at the Antwerp Zoo in 1977. The tuxuci was a male and, like the 2 other Guiana tuxucis, was caught in the coastal waters of Colombia. As it was also a male it was probably tuxuci Eddie, and this removes my doubt that more tuxucis were kept.On 8 August 1977, not 1 but 2 (1.1) tuxucis arrived in Antwerp. Here some information about the 2 dolphins:
- Evita (0.1) was born in the wild in Cispatá Bay (Colombia) and arrived at the Antwerp Zoo on 8 August 1977. 11 years later, on 7 December 1988, Evita left for Tiergarten Nuremberg.
- Juan (1.0), also called Eros, was also born in the wild, specifically in Cispatá Bay (Colombia). On 7 December 1988, he and female Evita left for Tiergarten Nürnberg.
A 1985 study on the swimming pattern of dolphins examined two dolphins from the Antwerp Zoo: bottlenose dolphin Dolly and a Guiana tucuxi called Eddie. This can be read about Eddie in the study:
Eddie was a male tucuxi measuring 1.90 metres (6.23 feet) long (average length for a male Guiana tucuxi) and weighing 85 kg (187lb).
I cannot immediately find more information about Eddie and it makes me wonder how many more tucuxis were kept in Zoo Antwerp(en).
Hello, my fist post here, And I just had to make sure I got everything right, are you saying that the big impressive male currently at Antwerpen is a West African lion? I know this was posted a few years ago, and maybe the West African male been replaced by this now massive looking male? Just had to ask since West African Lions are usually significantly smaller than the reported sizes of barbary Lions as well as other African Lions. He would be truly a special individual.As requested by @Randomname0183 is here a piece about the Barbary lions that Zoo Antwerpen had in the past.
To begin with, Zoo Antwerpen first had lions in its collection in 1847, which had cubs on a regular basis.
There were 2 enclosures for lions in the park, namely on the first floor of the Natural History Museum (built in 1844 and demolished in 1893) and also in the middle of the garden were small square enclosures for the lions (there are photos of this terrible lion enclosure on the Image Bank of the KMDA).
But anyway, the first Barbary lions arrived in 1862. So, since the Predator Building was not built until 1877, the Barbary lions have been in these cages or on the first floor of the Natural History Museum.
When finally in 1877 the new and especially better and larger lion enclosure(s) were opened, part of the Predator Building.
This rectangular building consisted of 1 very large round cage in the middle (presumably for tigers) and 2 almost completely round cages at the 2 corners of the building (the left one was for lions). Between the large cages were smaller square enclosures for leopards, among others.
The indoor enclosures were open to the public.
All cages were nicely decorated with high and beautiful rock walls, this style of Predator buildings was popular at that time, for example Zoo Berlin also had this style.
Inside the building were many terrariums that included snakes, plant beds and busts.
Finally, the last Barbary lions (0.0.1) like all predators and also Caspian and Javan tigers were shot in 1914 as a precaution for the 1st World War. Only 19% of all the animals survived the war.
But although it was claimed as an extinct species, Zoo Antwerpen still has Barbary lions in its collection. In 2020 2 females (0.2) arrived from Zoo Liberec and Zoo Dvur Kralove to breed with their remaining West African lion, in 2021 even 3 (1.2) cubs were born, however a crossbreed unless you count these 2 species together as Northern lions.
So while you can debate that these 2 were not full blooded Barbary lions and the ones from 1862-1914 were we will at least describe them as lions with Barbary lion DNA in their blood.
Welcome to the forum @Lion76Hello, my fist post here, And I just had to make sure I got everything right, are you saying that the big impressive male currently at Antwerpen is a West African lion? I know this was posted a few years ago, and maybe the West African male been replaced by this now massive looking male? Just had to ask since West African Lions are usually significantly smaller than the reported sizes of barbary Lions as well as other African Lions. He would be truly a special individual.
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Thank you very much for the reply. I’m in awe of your knowledge about this topic, very much appriciated.Welcome to the forum @Lion76
That Nestor (the male lion at Zoo Antwerpen) is a West African lion is a little bit of a moot point. As mentioned in my post that you quoted, the West African lion is often no longer considered as a subspecies, but rather a population of the lion subspecies 'Northern lion'.
The Antwerp Zoo always claims that Nestor is a West African lion, which is why I also added Zoo Antwerp(en) on Zootierliste as a current holder of the West African lion.
Also, genetic research is said to have revealed that Nestor is indeed a West African lion, although this doesn't matter much anymore if the new classification of lions is to be believed.
Good question.Hi! I've been making a recreation of the Antwerp Zoo in the simulator game Planet Zoo for my YouTube video and in each episode I try to include some of the history of the buildings/enclosures I'm building. I was wondering where you get most of your information, because most of my info comes from this old study from an architectural bureau so it's a bit biased towards the history of the buildings and doesn't say much about the animals. Your help will be much appreciated!
Thank you so much! The study I was referring to is indeed that one, but it can get very dry on the details about buildings, architects, materials etc. I already used the VRT documentary and the accompanying book 'Leve de Zoo!' mostly for anecdotal info, but I'm hoping the other book has some more background info on plans, ideas and historical visions on the zoo, especially as I'm entering the part of the zoo that was most clearly inspired by Hagenbeck's vision on exhibiting animals.Good question.
Just as an aside but I'm also currently working on the recreation of the Antwerp Zoo but then as it was in 1984/1985, your videos are a great source of inspiration in this, so keep up the good work.
But back to your question: 1 study is of course not really always that useful, so I actually use a mix of all kinds of information sources. I will give a whole bunch of them here some of which you can consult, if you have a lot of time maybe all of them. Taking into account that you want to know the history of the buildings and enclosures (and a little bit about their inhabitants), I think these are the most important sources:
- Perhaps the most important source of information I use is the Image Bank of the KMDA, here is a link: Historische Beeldbank A single search will reveil a lot of information. However, the Image Bank is not always that reliable, and if you find other information from another source, best believe that information.
- Books and park guides are also an important source of information. Highly recommended in terms of books is The Chant of Paradise by Roland Baetens. You don't have to necessarily have to buy this book, as there is a PDF downloadable from the Image Bank. It is also very useful if you want to learn a little more about the animals.
- It may sound simple, but another important source of information about the buildings and their inhabitants is Wikipedia. Both the Dutch and English versions give a good overview of all the buildings, although the Dutch version is significantly better.
- I have a suspicion that you referred to this with "old study from an architectural firm" but if not, a very important source is a 2010 study. Just search in Google for 'marieke jaenen tuin- en bouwhistorisch onderzoek' and the first link (actually PDF) that pops up should be the one I mean.
- A source for finding out which animal species lived in a particular building or enclosure is Les Zoos dans le Monde, where many different park maps from throughout the history of the Antwerp Zoo are available, here is a link: Les Zoos dans le Monde - Zoo Antwerpen
Other forums such as the Dutch-language Laafsekikkers or of course ZooChat itself are also very useful and I think it is safe to say that I have learned as much from these as I have from the Image Bank. Again, the search function here is the fastest way to get specific information. Also, this thread may provide you with some information as well.
- Another useful tool is Google Scholar, where you can search on e.g. a particular building at the zoo and you will be presented with, in the best scenario, a lot of (scholarly) publications.
- The zoo's website also provides a good overview. Here is a link: Gebouwen - ZOO Antwerpen
- YouTube is also an important source of information. You can find a lot of intriguing footages from the Antwerp Zoo from the past. Also from your YouTube channel I have already learned one thing and another.
- I also highly recommend the private Facebook group 'Geschiedenis der dierentuinen'. Here you will find out very much about just about every building of the Antwerp Zoo and other parks with a simple search.
- As for animals, studbooks (found on researchgate.net and yumpu.com, among others) are very useful, they will list all specimens of a particular species in Antwerps history.
Analyzing even just a portion of these sources is of course time consuming and not easy, but remember that I often spend days or weeks trying to figure out a particular thing, it took me years to build up my current knowledge and especially with building my Antwerp Zoo 1984/1985 creation in Planet Zoo I realize that I know anything but everything, and this in my opinion is exactly what makes it fun, as new information will always come to light that you didn't know of before.
If you still can't find enough (clear) information you can always ask me, and I will try to help as quick as possible.
That book is indeed perfect for that and exactly what you need, I can hardly imagine a better book for that kind of information. Have fun reading it alreadyThank you so much! The study I was referring to is indeed that one, but it can get very dry on the details about buildings, architects, materials etc. I already used the VRT documentary and the accompanying book 'Leve de Zoo!' mostly for anecdotal info, but I'm hoping the other book has some more background info on plans, ideas and historical visions on the zoo, especially as I'm entering the part of the zoo that was most clearly inspired by Hagenbeck's vision on exhibiting animals.
Of course, it is impossible that Goliath died in the spring of 1953 if the animal didn't arrive until August of that year. Instead, Goliath died in the spring of 1954 and, after his death, underwent an autopsy on March 5, 1954.On 25 August 1953, African manatee Goliath arrived […] Goliath died somewhere in the spring of 1953 and received an autopsy on 5 March of that same year.
RMZAS is an abbreviation ofBut let's get started; at a meeting of the council of the RMZAS (does anyone know what this is?) in 1902, a letter was read from the director of the Antwerp Zoo
London Zoo had twenty thylacines between 1850 and 1931.On further investigation, many thylacines were sent from London Zoo to various unknown places...
Tasmanian Brush-tailed Possums are typically black. The species was (and is) commonly referred to as "opossum" in Australia and New Zealand.2 black opossums (another thing impossible unless they were captive animals, otherwise they are possums)
"Dip/Arthur Rivers" here refers to the ranges between the two rivers in northwest Tasmania, not to either of the specific rivers themselves.It is stated that the animal's capture site was 'Dip/Arthur rivers'. What exactly is meant by this is unclear, as these are 2 different locations, so it may not be certain at which of the 2 sites the animal was caught, but in any case, the animal came from Tasmania and was caught by C. Knighton and B. Barrett.
The source (at least as far as Antwerp "received several" from London) is given as H F Moeller in Grzimek's Encyclopedia of Mammals; I suspect it might just be a passing mention rather than something exact - see this pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/360215a0.pdfLondon Zoo had twenty thylacines between 1850 and 1931.
I know that one went to Berlin Zoo, one to New York (Bronx) Zoo and two to Paris (Jardin des Plantes Menagerie). I'm not aware of London Zoo sending any of its other thylacines overseas. Do you know when these "many thylacines" were sent to "various unknown places" ?
Thank you for the link.The source (at least as far as Antwerp "received several" from London) is given as H F Moeller in Grzimek's Encyclopedia of Mammals; I suspect it might just be a passing mention rather than something exact - see this pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/360215a0.pdf
Thanks for the clarificationsTasmanian Brush-tailed Possums are typically black. The species was (and is) commonly referred to as "opossum" in Australia and New Zealand.
"Dip/Arthur Rivers" here refers to the ranges between the two rivers in northwest Tasmania, not to either of the specific rivers themselves.
The source (at least as far as Antwerp "received several" from London) is given as H F Moeller in Grzimek's Encyclopedia of Mammals; I suspect it might just be a passing mention rather than something exact - see this pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/360215a0.pdf
I'm sorry, I am wrong.London Zoo had twenty thylacines between 1850 and 1931.
I know that one went to Berlin Zoo, one to New York (Bronx) Zoo and two to Paris (Jardin des Plantes Menagerie). I'm not aware of London Zoo sending any of its other thylacines overseas. Do you know when these "many thylacines" were sent to "various unknown places" ?
In this context, "N/A" stands for "not applicable". For example, the column "Date of Departure" contains "N/A" for thylacines that died at London Zoo because this date is irrelevant since they were never sent elsewhere.The site often uses N/A in the sold/exchanged category in the list of thylacines at the London Zoo. I was confused that this would mean unknown.
I've never said I doubt this website.I used the website naturalworlds.org for this information (the one you rightly doubt).
Your English is very good; I wish I could write in your language as well as you do in English.don't know why, but it probably has to do with English not being my mother tongue, and it has once again shown that there is still a lot of room for improvement for me as far as this language is
I was referring to the information and not the website, but I understand the confusion very wellI've never said I doubt this website.
I found out that the Manatee Building was originally built for cockatoos in 1938, which disproves my earlier statement that the building was built specifically for manatees.The 2nd enclosure, specially built for manatees, housed both manatee species kept in the Antwerp Zoo.
Interesting to see Pilipili mentioned. I remember reading in ‘Animals’ magazine (now long since morphed into the anodyne ‘BBC Wildlife’), around 1963, about the impending arrival of MALE ‘Mountain’ Gorilla of that name at the Bronx. In preparation for this, their ‘Mountain’ female Sumaili (another of Cordier’s Eastern Lowlands) was separated from male Western Lowland Mambo, with whom she had grown up. Mambo was then successfully introduced to the older Western female Oka, who had lived alone since her same aged male companion Makoko drowned some years earlier. Clearly there was some confusion over Pilipili’s gender, as with some other young Gorillas of that era. Basel’s Achilla and Jersey’s N’Pongo, both subsequently very successful breeding females, were initially sexed as male.Here is an updated version about Eastern lowland gorillas at the Antwerp Zoo.
First, however, I would like to make some additions/corrections to my post about manatees at Zoo Antwerp:
I found out that the Manatee Building was originally built for cockatoos in 1938, which disproves my earlier statement that the building was built specifically for manatees.
I would also like to make an addition to my post about Tasmanian tigers. On facebook, I found a picture of a thylacine information sign from Zoo Antwerp(en). The remarkable thing is that the nameplate dates from 1907. At that time, according to what I can find, there were no thylacine in the Antwerp Zoo, unless it is one or more specimens from London Zoo, as I noted in the same post, or of course that the information sign is wrongly dated of course.
And now on to the Eastern lowland gorillas:
The Eastern lowland gorilla, like so many other animals, is inextricably linked to the Antwerp Zoo. It would therefore not be a true thread about the history of this zoo if I didn't write about the Eastern lowland gorilla. And for one of those few times, this is a 'story' that also takes place in the present, as the Antwerp Zoo is currently the only zoo in the world with Eastern lowland gorillas.
An example to show how hard this zoo is linked to Eastern lowland gorillas is the record that Zoo Antwerp holds to its name as the only zoo ever to breed with this species. Zoo Antwerp was always able to come into possession of these impressive animals partly because of the Belgian colony in Congo, which allowed for a constant influx of Congolese animals such as gorillas.
While, as just mentioned, it is necessary to mention Eastern lowland gorillas, it is at the same time difficult to write specifically about Eastern lowland gorillas, as some Eastern lowland gorillas were labelled as mountain gorillas by the taxonomy of the time.
As with my previous post about manatees, I will therefore also equip this post with a separate section on animals of an unknown (sub)species, which may have been Eastern lowland gorillas. But enough introduction so on this one:
In 1879 there was the very first mention of a gorilla in the Antwerp Zoo. I cannot find more information about this and so this is new to me. With the manatees, it was still somewhat predictable what species it was, since most of the animals of African origin usually came from the Belgian Congo, but this is excluded for this particular animal, since the colony was only established in 1885. In any case, the animal only lived in Antwerp for a very short time.
And now the gorillas of which it is a little more certain to which (sub)species they belonged:
In December 1923, a female gorilla arrived named Quahali, also spelt Quahalie. The animal was a gift from American explorer and hunter Ben Burbridge, who personally delivered the animal. The most interesting point is that the animal was captured in the Virunga Mountains. According to the book 'The Chant of Paradise', the animal is said to have come from modern-day Virunga National Park (called Albert National Park when it opened), however, this park was only established in 1925. However, this origin does not yet clarify which subspecies of eastern gorilla the animal belonged to, as both subspecies live in this region, so opinions are divided. The gorilla most likely lived in the Monkey House, opened in 1883. The animal died in 1924, after only a year in captivity.
Ben Burbridge would again donate a gorilla from (Belgian) Congo to the Antwerp Zoo in 1925. He only received permission from the Belgian authorities to capture gorillas if he gave 1 specimen to Antwerp Zoo. This time it was a male gorilla named Marzo. Again, it is unknown whether this is a mountain gorilla or an Eastern lowland gorilla, as this animal also came from the Virunga Mountains. Opinions are also divided on this one, Zootierliste, for example, classifies the animal as a mountain gorilla. The gorilla lived in the Monkey House.
Marzo died after only a few months on Belgian soil. After his death, the animal was sent to the Royal Museum for Central Africa in Tervuren, where it was also labelled as a mountain gorilla.
Eastern gorillas arrived again in 1957. Of 2 gorillas, it is just about certain that they were indeed Eastern lowland gorillas. First, some background information about these 2 gorillas: Both gorillas were obtained through Charles Cordier and were both captured near Walikale (Congo), which makes them almost certainly Eastern lowland gorillas, as there are no mountain gorillas in that region. Below is a list of Eastern gorillas that arrived in 1957:
- Kaisi was the first Eastern lowland gorilla to arrive in 1957, on 25 September 1957. Kaisi was a male and was born in the wild around September 1955. Here is a photo of him: Eastern lowland - Mountain gorilla ? - ZooChat
- On 21 November 1957, a 2nd male gorilla arrived, named Kisubi. The animal was born in the wild around November 1955. Here is a photo of him: Eastern lowland - Mountain gorilla ? - ZooChat
According to Zootierliste, a third male Eastern lowland gorilla arrived at the Antwerp Zoo that year, but this is far from certain, and nothing can be found about it in the studbook. If the animal existed at all, it lived for a very short time, otherwise there would be more information about it.
And now to the gorillas whose Eastern gorilla subspecies is unclear. They are all listed in the studbook as mountain gorillas, but at the time Eastern lowland gorillas were also classified as this. Little is known about all these gorillas, as they only were kept in Antwerp for a short time:
- Lado or Lando arrived on 15 September 1957 (according to the studbook). The animal, which was male, was born in the wild around 1953. The animal died as early as 14 November 1959, more than a year after its arrival.
- Simultaneously with Eastern lowland gorilla Kaisi, male Eastern gorilla Kambuti arrived. The animal was born in the wild. That he arrived at the same time as Kaisi (on 25 September 1957) gives a chance that he came from the region around Walikale, where only Eastern lowland gorillas live. Kambuti died as early as 5 November of the same year.
- Over a month later (on 30 October 1958), Laili arrived, a female gorilla also born in the wild. She died as early as 16 December of the same year.
Where all these animals were housed until the completion of the Great Ape Building (opened in 1958) is unclear, although one of the most likely options is the Monkey Building, which already housed some Western lowland gorillas.
On this Great Ape Building, I would like to elaborate a little further, as it is the only building where with certainty Eastern lowland gorillas lived/lived. The Great Apes Building was designed by architect René Grosemans in 1958 and opened a year later. For its time, the building was very modern. It housed the great apes, which were previously housed in small enclosures in the Monkey Building. Here, the monkeys no longer lived in enclosed outdoor enclosures but on an 'island', separated from visitors by a wide moat. The building was built on half of a lawn in front of the then more than 100-year-old Birds of Prey aviaries. This was not an easy decision, however, as this was still 1 of the original lawns. However, there was no other option, as the building had to be oriented to take advantage of the sunlight. The building was made as unobtrusive and sober as possible, for example, appropriate planting was installed. The indoor cages were insulated with adjustable ventilation, heating and humidity. For the glass, they followed the example of the Brookfield Zoo and chose two-layered glass with high resistance to shield the animals from cold and noise. The visitor area was equipped with didactic showcases. On the side of the Bird of Prey aviaries, a shallow bird cage was built, housing mainly cockatoos. Here is a plan of the building, numbers 6 were the outdoor enclosures. The inside still looks more or less the same today: Plan Ape-house - ZooChat
The building had long been planned. A similar building was already inscribed on the 1937 park map. According to those plans, the outdoor enclosures for the gorillas were meant to be much larger and also divided in two parts. For this, the right wing of the Birds of Prey building would have to be demolished; ironically, it was precisely the left wing that would later disappear.
But back to the Eastern (lowland) gorillas:
On 30 October 1958, Eastern gorillas of an unknown subspecies arrived again, both female. Here an overview:
- Louli was born in the wild around 1954. She died on 13 April 1960.
- Simultaneously with Louli arrived Laili, also spelt as Layla. She was born in the wild, her year of birth is unknown. She died as early as 16 December the same year.
In 1962, 2 more female gorillas came to enrich the group. Below is a summary with a brief description of the 2 gorillas.
- Pega was captured near Walikale, which most likely makes her an Eastern lowland gorilla. There is some ambiguity about Pega's arrival date. According to the studbook, the animal arrived on 12 July, while according to the Image Bank of the KMDA it was 17 December, but it is certain that she arrived at the Antwerp Zoo in 1962.
- Less is known about Pilipili and she therefore only stayed at the Antwerp zoo for barely a year. According to the studbook, she arrived on 12 July 1962. Little is also known about her origin, although the most likely option is that, like Pega, she came from Walikale, where she would have been born around 1957.
The 2 gorillas were housed together with the other (male) Eastern lowland gorillas in the still brand new Great Apes building.
On 25 April 1963, another female gorilla arrived, named Quivu. Like most Eastern lowland gorillas at the Antwerp Zoo, Quivu was also captured near Walikale, where she was born between 1959 and 1961. Quivu was kept at Zoo Hannover for 1 day before she went to Antwerps Great Ape Building. That Quivu was called an Eastern lowland gorilla even by the Antwerp Zoo itself, and not a mountain gorilla, only makes it more plausible that she was indeed an Eastern lowland gorilla.
On 15 May of that same year, Pilipili, who arrived a year earlier, left for the Bronx Zoo, where she died 8 years later as the penultimate living Eastern lowland gorilla in the Americas.
According to the 1979 gorilla studbook, a gorilla was born on 7 September 1967. The young animal's parents were mother Pega and father Kisubi. For both animals, this was their first young. However, the little animal was born too early and thus died almost immediately. According to the same studbook, the young animal was a mountain gorilla, but there is no evidence for this as both parents came from the region around Walikale, where there are no mountain gorillas. Strangely, this prematurely born gorilla was not mentioned in the 2014 stubook.
In 1968, Visoke arrived, a female caught in the wild of Rwanda. Her name may indicate that she was captured on or near the Visoke volcano in Rwanda, not far from the Congo border. According to 1 source, the animal was a male, but this seems rather erroneous. The exact arrival date is again unknown, the KMDA Image Bank gives 12 February, the studbook 27 February 1968. In March 1968, she would have been 20 months old, which would mean she should have been born around July 1966. Visoke died on 3 March 1969, more than a year after her arrival. The interesting point about Visoke is that the only reason she is mentioned in this post about Eastern lowland gorillas is the studbook, where she is referred to as being of this species, however, all other clues point to her being a mountain gorilla, as the Antwerp Zoo itself referred to her. The fact that she was caught in Rwanda, where only mountain gorillas are found, is actually proof enough that she belonged to the latter species, and this does not give all the evidence for being of this subspecies. If you can refute or add to these claims, I would greatly appreciate it, as this is quite remarkable.
I will post the next part of this post as soon as possible, but not all information fits into 1 post.