Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre Falling out of love with Monkey World

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Lemurs said:
Therefore I think it's fair to have mixed feelings about MW, but as parks/zoos go they're still worthier than many or most.
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How? They are about saving an individual the rest of the zoos are about saving species.
 
Yes but monkey world are famous world wide due to the animals they have re housed such as the 88 Capuchin and a obese orangutan as well as monkey business and monkey life the TV shows. These are the main reasons why they are so popular.
 
banham.tiger said:
Yes but monkey world are famous world wide due to the animals they have re housed such as the 88 Capuchin and a obese orangutan as well as monkey business and monkey life the TV shows. These are the main reasons why they are so popular.
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Yes and 2 some of us they are famous for the animals that they were offered but turned down,because there wasn't any money or publicity in it for them,which atleast makes the dump in South Wales a better place,as they took animals that Monkey World turned down!!!!!!!!!!
 
zoogiraffe said:
Yes and 2 some of us they are famous for the animals that they were offered but turned down,because there wasn't any money or publicity in it for them,which atleast makes the dump in South Wales a better place,as they took animals that Monkey World turned down!!!!!!!!!!
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I wondered when you'd pop up with the same anger. Monkey world wasn't founded to rehome chimps from British 'collections' who had bred irresponsibly or just didn't want the animals any more. Its a rescue sent not a dumping ground
 
monkeyarmy said:
I wondered when you'd pop up with the same anger. Monkey world wasn't founded to rehome chimps from British 'collections' who had bred irresponsibly or just didn't want the animals any more. Its a rescue sent not a dumping ground
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Didn't they have that Chimp from a British Circus?

Dumping ground? Those Chimps were in a Zoo that had closed and were to be shot.
 
Yes Trudi was rescued because Mary Chipperfield was filmed on several occasions beating and abusing trudi. So she was rescued because she was abused by a disgusting pathetic excuse for a human being not just because she was in a zoo
 
monkeyarmy said:
there's a whole act called the children act that sets out their rights
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This is not a thing.

monkeyarmy said:
Absolutely there are a few keepers who keep their 'pet' primates very well but the amount that end up in sanctuaries with physical and psychological damage would suggest they are in the minority.
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You've got this one backwards. There are thousands of monkeys kept in private homes, yet only a few of them end up in rescue. The reason for this is that most keepers are very responsible people.
In fact so responsible that it is now near impossible for some numpty to get any at all, most marmoset breeders keep their young until they have carried siblings and are reaching sexual maturity and will only allow them to go to an established group or as an unrelated pair to found a group.
You see many people coming to exotic pet sites looking for a 'baby monkey' and they are quickly shot down.
Many are much better than in zoos. Once you go further to the larger or rarer primates the hoops you are jumping through get even higher.
 
Sorry to disappoint but there is Children Act 2004

No you have it the wrong way round if and are nieve if you think it is hard to buy a marmoset or any other small monkey. I'm interested in what hoops you feel there are? The DWA is there mainly to protect humans with a small piece on welfare and certainly does not asses ability to care for a primate or any other animal. The DWA is also weak and not fit for purpose as standards etc vary council to council
 
"Falling Out Of Love With Monkey World" would make an awesome title for a country western song.
 
Lemurs said:
Ha, how many zoos can you honestly say are there for the animals rather than people?
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I realize that this is an old argument, but expecting a zoo to be "for the animals rather than for people" is like expecting the newspaper to be for wrapping fish rather than reading. Perhaps you are conflating animal rescue organizations with zoos? Zoos are, and always have been, for people. That is what they are created for: from LZS to WCS (and all the letters in between)
 
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You say it's better to save individuals than species? Let's see.
The following is a list of species that would be extinct without zoos and their population numbers.
California condor 425
Whooping crane 437
Black footed ferret 1,200
Arabian oryx 7,000
Kihansi spray toad Several thousand
American bison 500,000
And these are just a few, well-known conservation efforts. These animals wouldn't be here now if zoos saved individuals, not species.

~ Thaumatibis
 
monkeyarmy said:
No you have it the wrong way round if and are nieve if you think it is hard to buy a marmoset or any other small monkey. I'm interested in what hoops you feel there are? The DWA is there mainly to protect humans with a small piece on welfare and certainly does not asses ability to care for a primate or any other animal. The DWA is also weak and not fit for purpose as standards etc vary council to council
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The spelling is 'Naive'. DWA does not apply to marmosets in any way so not sure what you're on about there.
By all means, go try to buy one. Better yet try for a squirrel monkey, you will be in for a shock!
 
Devi said:
The spelling is 'Naive'. DWA does not apply to marmosets in any way so not sure what you're on about there.
By all means, go try to buy one. Better yet try for a squirrel monkey, you will be in for a shock!
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No you're right it doesn't and i never said it did. You said for bigger rarer species you have to jump through more hoops, I simply asked you what these were. The main one I'm aware of is the DWA but I await your response to what other hoops there are

I don't wish to buy a marmoset but have seen selling on fb groups and local pet shops. I have also heard time and time again from owners who were given poor advice by breeders. If everything was rosey in the primate pet trade there wouldn't be waiting lists at sanctuaries for marmosets that need rehoming.
 
monkeyarmy said:
No you're right it doesn't and i never said it did. You said for bigger rarer species you have to jump through more hoops, I simply asked you what these were. The main one I'm aware of is the DWA but I await your response to what other hoops there are

I don't wish to buy a marmoset but have seen selling on fb groups and local pet shops. I have also heard time and time again from owners who were given poor advice by breeders. If everything was rosey in the primate pet trade there wouldn't be waiting lists at sanctuaries for marmosets that need rehoming.
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The hoops as I explained in my first post are in obtaining the animal, those who have spent decades setting up a successful breeding program are not giving them away on street corners.
The ones for sale on facebook are often scams, what local pet shops have you seen them in and what is their sale policy? The ones I know are incredibly strict.
Equally, if you know of owners who are struggling to keep their primates why have you not reported these to the RSPCA?
 
taun said:
Without people they would not exist, same with your beloved zoo Monkey World. :rolleyes:
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No, that'd be Howletts. Somewhere that has lots of off-show animals, releases many back into the wild and has a large project in Madagascar. That's the kind of zoo that is about 'saving species'.
 
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