Lion Tailed Macaque
This one will be different then the others. I don’t have the ability to trace the tree any fuller than I did 10 years ago and I wasn't tracking the trees back then. I was only interested in information about who lived at the zoo and their information. As such, I can only provide you with the three generations and they have to have lived at the zoo. Even with that lack of information though it is interesting to see some of the things that happened at the zoo.
They set to work on breeding right almost as soon as they arrived. The first group arrives in August 1973 and by January 1974 the first baby arrives. However that breeding was mostly inbreeding so not really contributing to the species in the right way.
In 1985 the zoo dumps their inbred stock and imports Sita and Rama from India. Brand new genetics... oh wait Sita is Rama's mother and we didn't bring in any other males. Surely they won't go back to inbreeding... Oh wait they do. And they make sure they take inbreeding to the next level by increasing the degree to which they are inbred by breeding Rama to his sister/daughter Si Nickel.
It is not until the arrival of Karl that the inbreeding stops but the genetics never truly improves because we don't remove Si Nickel as the breeding female. We only breed an inbreed female resulting in offspring that still have significant inbreeding in their recent past.
While there was still a lion tailed macaque SSP this is why Toronto's young were never tapped for breeding elsewhere and we were forever saddled with them. They were too inbreed to be useful. The zoo killed their own program.
It's a shame the zoo knowing they were going to import Sita and Rama didn't keep Abe to breed with Sita and lend Rama out for breeding elsewhere. Abe was an older male but if he could have bred Sita until his death we would have had more genetically diverse offspring that would have been useful to the population. Some of their daughters could have been kept back to breed with Karl. In turn those offspring would have been useful. They also should have considered maybe passing on Rama and just ask Mysore for another male that wasnt related. Would have been fairly easy since she was wild born and Rama was her only offspring born in captivity. Any other male in the group would have been fine.
Unfortunately the one time the zoo has animals that are not related, Karl and Screamer, nothing ever happens. For some reason Screamer never had offspring despite being with Karl so long.
I think even if I could trace further forward with the trees there would only be a little bit more info to provide. Only Karl and Marki Mark had offspring outside of the zoo. With Marki Mark being inbred I wouldn't be surprised to find his line probably dies out after a generation or two. Karl's would likely be the most wide spread but even then with lion tailed macaques on phase out again it and such a small population its unlike there are many left.
Abe’s Family Tree
Abe (M)
Born: 31 Jan 1969, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Old Lady
Transfer: 24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
29 Oct 1985, Storybook
Died: 6 Oct 2000, Storybook
Offspring: Tina (F)
Marcus (M) INBRED
Little Joe (M)
Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
Little Guy (M) INBED
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Tonto (M)
Tina (F)
Born: 8 Jan 1974, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Granny 2
Transfer: 12 Jul 1988, Ste Marie
Died: 19 Dec 1988, Ste Marie
Marcus (M) INBRED
Born: 9 May 1974, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 21 Jul 1977, Voss
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Little Joe (M)
Born: 28 Apr 1975, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Granny 2
Transfer: 30 Oct 1979, Woodland Park Zoo
27 Sep 1985, Chongqing Zoological Garden
Died: 10 Feb 1997, Chongqing Zoological Garden
Offspring: Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
Little Guy (M) INBRED
Born: 23 Nov 1978, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 12 Jul 1988, Ste Marie
Died: 19 Dec 1988, Ste. Marie
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Born: 16 Mar 1980, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 12 Sep 1983, International Animal Exchange, Inc.
10 Oct 1985, Maryland Zoo
Died: 22 Mar 2004, Maryland Zoo
Offspring: Tonto (M)
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Granny 2's Family Tree
Granny 2 (F)
Born: 1965, WILD
Transfer: 7 Oct 1965, Assiniboine Park Zoo
24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
29 Oct 1985, Storybook
Died: 14 Nov 1989, Storybook
Offspring: Joe/Beelzebub (M)
Betty (F)
Gunner (M)
Tina (F)
Little Joe (M)
Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
For Tina and Little Joe see Abe’s family tree.
Gunner (M)
Born: 14 May 1972, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Betty
Transfer: 16 Feb 1976, Mich-Ken Breeding Farms
Fun fact: Probably inbreed as Goliath was Assiniboine's breeding male so Betty was likely his daughter but I lack the evidence to prove it.
Little Girl's Family Tree
Little Girl (F)
Born: 9 Dec 1966, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Little Lady
Transfer: 24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
Died: 9 Jun 1981, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Marcus (M) INBRED
Little Guy (M) INBRED
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Tonto (M)
For offspring see Abe’s family tree.
Sita’s Family Tree
Sita (F)
Born: 1979, WILD
Transfer: 14 Feb 1984, Trivandru
4 Aug 1984, Mysore Zoo
9 Mar 1986, Toronto Zoo
Died: 15 Nov 1999, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Rama (M)
Rambo (M) INBRED
Roxy (F) INBRED
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Rama (M)
Born: 19 Feb 1984, Trivandru
Father: WILD
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 4 Aug 1984, Mysore Zoo
9 Mar 1986, Toronto Zoo
6 Jun 2002, San Diego Zoo
25 Jul 2002, San Diego Safari Park
6 Jun 2005, San Diego Zoo
Offspring: Rambo (M) INBRED
Roxy (F) INBRED
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Rambo (M) INBRED
Born: 29 Dec 1987, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 27 Nov 1992, Belfast Zoo
Died: 13 Feb 1993, Belfast Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Roxy (F) INBRED
Born: 4 Mar 1989, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 27 Nov 1992, Belfast Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Born: 12 May 1990, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Died: Likely dead prior to 2020, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Fun Fact: Product of mother son pairing.
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Born: 5 Jun 1995, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transfer: 25 Apr 2001, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Offspring: Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Born: 12 Mar 1996, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transfer: 30 May 2014, Safari Niagara
Some Point prior to 2020, Toronto Zoo
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Sitara (F) INBRED
Born: 20 Feb 1999, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transferred: 30 May 2014, Safari Niagara
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Nata (F) INBRED
Born: 2 Jan 2001, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Died: 7 Feb 2002, Toronto Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Guntur (F)
Born: 26 Sep 2002, Toronto Zoo
Father: Karl
Mother: Si-Nikel
Vina (F)
Born: 25 May 2004, Toronto Zoo
Father: Karl
Mother: Si-Nikel
Karl's Family Tree
Karl (M)
Born: 20 Nov 1981, Liberec
Father: Unnamed
Mother: Unnamed
Transfer: 1 Apr 1989, Assiniboine Park Zoo
2 May 2001, Toronto Zoo
Died: 2016, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Mojo (F)
Jojo (F)
Clara (F)
Jackson (M)
Max (M)
Chimy (F)
Melissa (F)
Julia (F)
Civic (F)
Juneau (M)
Marly (F)
Montana (M)
Jupiter (F)
Monty (M)
Morty (M)
Jetta (F)
Joel (M)
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
For Guntur and Vina see Sita’s family tree..
Screamer's Family Tree
Screamer (F)
Born: 15 Nov 1989, Baltimore Zoo
Father: Lenny
Mother: Cafe/Holly
Transfer: 12 Nov 2003, Toronto Zoo
This one will be different then the others. I don’t have the ability to trace the tree any fuller than I did 10 years ago and I wasn't tracking the trees back then. I was only interested in information about who lived at the zoo and their information. As such, I can only provide you with the three generations and they have to have lived at the zoo. Even with that lack of information though it is interesting to see some of the things that happened at the zoo.
They set to work on breeding right almost as soon as they arrived. The first group arrives in August 1973 and by January 1974 the first baby arrives. However that breeding was mostly inbreeding so not really contributing to the species in the right way.
In 1985 the zoo dumps their inbred stock and imports Sita and Rama from India. Brand new genetics... oh wait Sita is Rama's mother and we didn't bring in any other males. Surely they won't go back to inbreeding... Oh wait they do. And they make sure they take inbreeding to the next level by increasing the degree to which they are inbred by breeding Rama to his sister/daughter Si Nickel.
It is not until the arrival of Karl that the inbreeding stops but the genetics never truly improves because we don't remove Si Nickel as the breeding female. We only breed an inbreed female resulting in offspring that still have significant inbreeding in their recent past.
While there was still a lion tailed macaque SSP this is why Toronto's young were never tapped for breeding elsewhere and we were forever saddled with them. They were too inbreed to be useful. The zoo killed their own program.
It's a shame the zoo knowing they were going to import Sita and Rama didn't keep Abe to breed with Sita and lend Rama out for breeding elsewhere. Abe was an older male but if he could have bred Sita until his death we would have had more genetically diverse offspring that would have been useful to the population. Some of their daughters could have been kept back to breed with Karl. In turn those offspring would have been useful. They also should have considered maybe passing on Rama and just ask Mysore for another male that wasnt related. Would have been fairly easy since she was wild born and Rama was her only offspring born in captivity. Any other male in the group would have been fine.
Unfortunately the one time the zoo has animals that are not related, Karl and Screamer, nothing ever happens. For some reason Screamer never had offspring despite being with Karl so long.
I think even if I could trace further forward with the trees there would only be a little bit more info to provide. Only Karl and Marki Mark had offspring outside of the zoo. With Marki Mark being inbred I wouldn't be surprised to find his line probably dies out after a generation or two. Karl's would likely be the most wide spread but even then with lion tailed macaques on phase out again it and such a small population its unlike there are many left.
Abe’s Family Tree
Abe (M)
Born: 31 Jan 1969, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Old Lady
Transfer: 24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
29 Oct 1985, Storybook
Died: 6 Oct 2000, Storybook
Offspring: Tina (F)
Marcus (M) INBRED
Little Joe (M)
Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
Little Guy (M) INBED
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Tonto (M)
Tina (F)
Born: 8 Jan 1974, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Granny 2
Transfer: 12 Jul 1988, Ste Marie
Died: 19 Dec 1988, Ste Marie
Marcus (M) INBRED
Born: 9 May 1974, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 21 Jul 1977, Voss
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Little Joe (M)
Born: 28 Apr 1975, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Granny 2
Transfer: 30 Oct 1979, Woodland Park Zoo
27 Sep 1985, Chongqing Zoological Garden
Died: 10 Feb 1997, Chongqing Zoological Garden
Offspring: Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
Little Guy (M) INBRED
Born: 23 Nov 1978, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 12 Jul 1988, Ste Marie
Died: 19 Dec 1988, Ste. Marie
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Born: 16 Mar 1980, Toronto Zoo
Father: Abe
Mother: Little Girl
Transfer: 12 Sep 1983, International Animal Exchange, Inc.
10 Oct 1985, Maryland Zoo
Died: 22 Mar 2004, Maryland Zoo
Offspring: Tonto (M)
Fun Fact: Product of brother sister pairing
Granny 2's Family Tree
Granny 2 (F)
Born: 1965, WILD
Transfer: 7 Oct 1965, Assiniboine Park Zoo
24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
29 Oct 1985, Storybook
Died: 14 Nov 1989, Storybook
Offspring: Joe/Beelzebub (M)
Betty (F)
Gunner (M)
Tina (F)
Little Joe (M)
Little (F)
Brie (F)
Lazarus (M)
Sita (F)
Jack (M)
Eddie (M)
Tina Turner (F)
Adam (M)
Daniel (M)
For Tina and Little Joe see Abe’s family tree.
Gunner (M)
Born: 14 May 1972, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Betty
Transfer: 16 Feb 1976, Mich-Ken Breeding Farms
Fun fact: Probably inbreed as Goliath was Assiniboine's breeding male so Betty was likely his daughter but I lack the evidence to prove it.
Little Girl's Family Tree
Little Girl (F)
Born: 9 Dec 1966, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Father: Goliath
Mother: Little Lady
Transfer: 24 Aug 1973, Toronto Zoo
Died: 9 Jun 1981, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Marcus (M) INBRED
Little Guy (M) INBRED
Travis/Puck (M) INBRED
Tonto (M)
For offspring see Abe’s family tree.
Sita’s Family Tree
Sita (F)
Born: 1979, WILD
Transfer: 14 Feb 1984, Trivandru
4 Aug 1984, Mysore Zoo
9 Mar 1986, Toronto Zoo
Died: 15 Nov 1999, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Rama (M)
Rambo (M) INBRED
Roxy (F) INBRED
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Rama (M)
Born: 19 Feb 1984, Trivandru
Father: WILD
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 4 Aug 1984, Mysore Zoo
9 Mar 1986, Toronto Zoo
6 Jun 2002, San Diego Zoo
25 Jul 2002, San Diego Safari Park
6 Jun 2005, San Diego Zoo
Offspring: Rambo (M) INBRED
Roxy (F) INBRED
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Rambo (M) INBRED
Born: 29 Dec 1987, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 27 Nov 1992, Belfast Zoo
Died: 13 Feb 1993, Belfast Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Roxy (F) INBRED
Born: 4 Mar 1989, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Transfer: 27 Nov 1992, Belfast Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Si-Nikel (F) INBRED
Born: 12 May 1990, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Sita
Died: Likely dead prior to 2020, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Sitara (F) INBRED
Nata (F) INBRED
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
Fun Fact: Product of mother son pairing.
Marki-Mark (M) INBRED
Born: 5 Jun 1995, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transfer: 25 Apr 2001, Assiniboine Park Zoo
Offspring: Jasper (M)
Kizzie (F)
Nemo (M)
Jordan (M)
Nagpur (M)
Lena (F)
Kobe (M)
Naya (F)
Jammu (F)
Kangpur (M)
Linz (F)
Novone (F)
Neil (F)
Kashmere (M)
Joy (F)
Kalvin (M)
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Dave-Nickel (M) INBRED
Born: 12 Mar 1996, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transfer: 30 May 2014, Safari Niagara
Some Point prior to 2020, Toronto Zoo
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Sitara (F) INBRED
Born: 20 Feb 1999, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Transferred: 30 May 2014, Safari Niagara
Fun Fact: Product of father daughter/sister pairing.
Nata (F) INBRED
Born: 2 Jan 2001, Toronto Zoo
Father: Rama
Mother: Si-Nikel
Died: 7 Feb 2002, Toronto Zoo
Fun fact: Product of a mother son pairing.
Guntur (F)
Born: 26 Sep 2002, Toronto Zoo
Father: Karl
Mother: Si-Nikel
Vina (F)
Born: 25 May 2004, Toronto Zoo
Father: Karl
Mother: Si-Nikel
Karl's Family Tree
Karl (M)
Born: 20 Nov 1981, Liberec
Father: Unnamed
Mother: Unnamed
Transfer: 1 Apr 1989, Assiniboine Park Zoo
2 May 2001, Toronto Zoo
Died: 2016, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Mojo (F)
Jojo (F)
Clara (F)
Jackson (M)
Max (M)
Chimy (F)
Melissa (F)
Julia (F)
Civic (F)
Juneau (M)
Marly (F)
Montana (M)
Jupiter (F)
Monty (M)
Morty (M)
Jetta (F)
Joel (M)
Guntur (M)
Vina (F)
For Guntur and Vina see Sita’s family tree..
Screamer's Family Tree
Screamer (F)
Born: 15 Nov 1989, Baltimore Zoo
Father: Lenny
Mother: Cafe/Holly
Transfer: 12 Nov 2003, Toronto Zoo