Toronto Zoo Family Trees of Toronto Zoo Animals

I love how you managed to find stuff for a Dhole family tree!
I remember seeing them and found them quite lively and nice to watch.
I wish they would bring them back.

Thanks for posting these fun facts about past/present species TZ held.
I look forward to reading new ones when you've posted them.


Dhole

I don't know if this is a full history of the dhole Toronto had but I was scrounging around and did fine some degree of information that has allowed me to do a bit of a tree. Maybe its a full one I'm not sure. I do trust the info I gathered. I just wasn't able to get all the little details I usually do and individuals could be missing...
 
@RNg0905, combination of ways. I started out with the obvious, checking the zoo's forum and I went back to the original threads reading through thread by thread looking for dhole names. All I could remember was Martha. Ungulate named them at one point and said when the litters were and where the adults had come from.

Asian Wild Dog Info [Toronto Zoo]

I used that info and googled each one of Toronto's dhole until I found another Zoochat thread about dholes from this year from EssexWarrior. I know EssexWarrior well enough to trust their work is solid and it was super helpful. I tried to find more but ultimately struck out.

Worldwide Captive Dhole Population

Sometimes googling until you strike a good zoochat article is the best way to do it.

There aren't many more I would expect to get now. I am done what I could find and will post the last few species over the next 3 days. At that point I will run out of species to look for. I have checked all the animals we still have at the zoo. I have checked our running list of former species. Unless someone else comes up with another species not covered here or covered by the former species list when I post the new list in a few says I can't think of anything else to look for. If there are any additional suggestions I will happily look but I think the odds of success at this point will be low. Then again I thought the dhole was going to be impossible.

When I finish up in a few days I'll give a few days for any more requests before posting a guide for the whole project. That way if you want to know where to find say African otters you know you can find them on page 4. It'll be nice to have a nice quick reference guide once the thread stops being active so people know what's here and where to find it easily.
 
Straw Necked Ibis

We had one female from Basel between March 1974 and December 1975 when we sent her to Winnipeg.

Bobcat

The first bobcat arrived in December 1974. He stayed for 3 years before heading off to Mich-Ken Breeding Farms. He had been joined by a female in 1979 but she did not leave with him. She left in 1989 for 2 years before returning, unfortunately she died the day she arrived home. A second male arrived in 1981 to pair with her but he left in 1986 for parts unknown. He was replaced with another male in 1988 and he left in 1989 with the female, however he didnt return until 2004 when he died upon arrival. Part of me thinks they both came home for treatment for something and had to be put down. The last bobcat arrived in 2003 as a rescued orphan from Montana. She was named Montana hung around for 18 months before being placed at Riverview Park and Zoo where she remained until her death in 2020.

Caracal

While not at the zoo opening day in late 1974 Toronto picked up 2 males and a female from somewhere in Wasaga Beach. While one male died in 4 years the other two lived until 1983 and 1985.

The first cub was a male born in 1976 but he didnt make it. The second litter of a male and female only saw the female survive to adulthood. They ultimately produced 8 cubs (4.4) with only two dying.

In 1983 another male was brought in from Rotterdam but survived just a year which was unfortunate because just before his death two females arrived to be his mates from LA. One died in 1986 but the other was with us until transferred to Santa Barbara in 1995. A different male though was brought in from Glasgow in 1985 as his replacement. He left for Jungle Cat World in 1991. Another pair also arrives 1988 but they were dead by 1991. Lastly we picked up Clint and Clive in 1998 from Mountain View Conservation and Breeding Centre for the opening of the savanna and they left in 2010 and 2011 respectively.

Ocelot

I’m not sure they were ever on display but Toronto has been home to two ocelots. The first was a male who arrived in 1973 and stayed for 2 years. No clue where he came from but he went to Mich-Ken Breeding Farms. The second was a female named Sasha who arrived in 1989 from an RCMP seizure and was returned to the RCMP in 1992.
 
TZFan, are you able to do a line on the Seals we had at Toronto Zoo? Or have you done one and I missed it?
I remember seeing them as a child and I recall they were quite lively and fun.
I believe they were in the current penguin exhibit?
 
@RNg0905, I have tried and tried and tried to do the African fur seals. All I can come up with is photos and zero info. One of my greatest disappointments in doing that, other than my failure with the lions. I think everyone would love a family tree for the fur seals, if not a history. I wish Ungulate was still here and could just rattle off the info. Ungulate was the greatest.

You are right they were in the current penguin exhibit. They originally tried to do a mixed penguin/fur seal exhibit and the penguins were terrified, rightly so, and hit in their little shelters most of the day. Didnt take long to realize the mistake and the penguins moved off to the pavilion.
 
Aardvark

The only aardvark pair arrived in 1974 just days before opening day. Sadly we sent them to Australia two years later. I wonder what we traded them for. Better have been worth it because I would love to have seen aardvarks.

Southern Tamandua

Two female tamanduas arrived in 1981. One lived until 1989 while the other stuck with us until 1996. They were joined a year later by a male who lived until 1987. Another pair arrived in 1986 but they only stayed until 1992 when they were transferred to Woodland Park. The zoo hit the reset button and brought in a wild born trio that included our beloved Simon in 1994. The one male died within months while the female only survived until 1997 but good old Simon stayed with us until transferred to Sedgwick County Zoo in 2002.

Simon was the father of the only baby tamandua to be born at the zoo in 1995. Sadly the little male didn’t make it through his first day. While he wasnt meant to be a dad in Toronto he did sire 6 more offspring who have since spread his genetics while at Sedgwick.

Hoffman’s Two Toed Sloth

The zoo had picked up a pair of males in 1985. One male died in 1983 while the other was transferred out in 1985.
 
Guereza Colobus

In 1975 the zoo brought in a young female colobus. She left in 1977 for Winnipeg. My guess is we had trouble getting a second one and gave up.

De Brazza’s Monkey

More than 2 years before the zoo opens the zoo imported a group of De Brazza’s from the wild. They picked up 3 females from the wild. All three were dead before the end of 1973 along with 1 male and 6 females that arrived in a 1973 shipment of 2 males and 8 more females. The survivors were joined by a male from Buffalo in early 1974 as well as a male and 5 females from Riverdale the following summer. The Buffalo male also died before the zoo even opened. The zoo clearly struggled hard with keeping them alive. By opening they were down to a pool of 9 from a potential pool of 20. Another male came in as a replacement male in 1984.

Although there would be more deaths in the early days from the adults the first birth occurred in 1975 and despite the baby needing to be hand reared due to being abandoned she lived and was sent to Taronga Zoo at 3 years old along with the second born baby (also female). In the years that followed they were incredibly successful given the horrible start to keeping the species. A total of 27 (6.17. 4) babies were born with just 4 dying. And I think that number of dead would be two less if there hadn't been twins in 1980. Twins are extremely rare so they were likely undersized and too weak to really stand a chance.

Mara

The first 7 (3.4) mara arrived at the zoo in 1973 from Winnipeg. One died the next day but the others did ok. Another 4 males and 1 female came in from parts unknown around the same time. Another 2 males came in 1984 from the Bronx and in 1995 a single from Amsterdam, while in 2004 a female came in from parts unknown.

Their first offspring were born in 1974. It was a mix of failure and success in the first group born that year and its a mix throughout the rest of the time the mara breed like bunnies at the zoo. I think we have our new top prolific mammal. Ultimately the zoo would go 259 for 547 (229.230.88). With the birth rate and death rates under a year old so high I do wonder if they were culling the surplus offspring. Many do die in the first days but there is a large portion that are 1 month to 6 months old. Not all of that can just be bad luck with such incredibly high numbers.

The last mara left the zoo in 2006.
 
African Wild Dog

This one hurts! The zoo imported 5 (2.3) littermates from Oklahoma in July of 1975. By April 1976 4 of the 5 went to Parc Safari and the 5th was dead. No idea where they kept them but I would happily trade off just about any animal at the zoo to get them back.

Bat Eared Fox

Toronto only had 2 foxes. They brought in a pair of sisters from Rotterdam Zoo for opening. The girls stayed on for just 4 years before being shipped back out to LA. Obviously with 2 females there were no pups.

Fennec Fox

Another disappointing loss. The zoo got 6 (2.4) of them in 1974 just before the zoo opened. One male died within days but the rest lasted into the 1980’s. 11 (5.6) more are added in 1979 for some reason. Not sure why we needed 16 at once but I’d love to have seen it.

The first litter was born in 1976 but it was unsuccessful. It wasn’t until 1978 the first kit to survive was born. Ultimately 10 were born with only 5 surviving.

In 1986 the group was split up and sent to various new homes.

Persian Onager

Fun fact we hosted a trio of them before they were shipped to Europe. They were here for a single day. Who knew? Well probably none of us because it was one day and they never were on display. If I had to choose I’m happier we have Przewalski’s horse.

Ok gang that brings us to the last of the histories I have been able to dig up. It's been so fun learning about all of these species the last 8 months. I swear if I can ever find a good source of info on the lions a whole history or family tree will 100% be done. That's one that will always be on my radar as my most frustrating gap. Unless anyone else has any other species they can think of that I haven't been able to think of I think we have hit the end of the road for now. Please feel free to offer more ideas. I'm happy to look around. I genuinely enjoy doing the research and I have loved being able to share all I learned with everyone.

As promised I will give several days for any other ideas to come in... hope there are some... before I post the master guide of all that we have covered.
 
Since we have no new species brought up in nearly a week I'm going to assume we can leave this thread alone for awhile until one of us discovers a new species I can look up or I scrounge up a new source of information for one of the species we know existed but I have nothing for right now.

As promised here is your guide. I'm not going to use spoilers to shorten the list so the guide might be easier to stumble across when doing a google search. Sorry it's going to be long.

Family Trees

For those finding this thread after the rest of us the family trees are colour coded by generation. The code and explanation of how I tried to organize things begins on the first page. There is a later update for more of a code for more generations as I discovered longer trees.

Page 1
Southern White Rhino
Greater One Horned Rhino
Masai Giraffe
Sumatran Orangutan
Snow Leopard
Przewalski’s Horse
Western Lowland Gorilla
Amur Tiger
Sumatran Tiger
Grevy's Zebra

Page 2
Polar Bear
African Elephant
Jaguar
Red Panda
Cheetah
White Handed Gibbon
Spider Monkey
Mandrill
White Faced Saki
Patas Monkey

Page 3
Lion Tailed Macaque
Japanese Macaque
Hamadryas Baboon
Golden Lion Tamarin
Pygmy Hippo
River Hippo
Red River Hog
Warthog
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo

Page 4
African Spotted Necked Otter
North American River Otter
Southern Hairy Nosed Wombat
Meerkat
Moose
Komodo Dragon
Greater Kudu
Capybara
Brown Lemur
Tasmanian Devil
Queensland Koala
Prehensile Tailed Porcupine

Page 5
African Crested Porcupine
Malyasian Tapir
Spotted Hyena
Cougar
Marabou Stork
Abyssinian Ground Hornbill
Great Hornbill
Southern Ground Hornbill
Wrinkled Hornbill
Hammerkop
African Black Footed Penguin
Scimitar Horned Oryx
Common Eland
Blue Wildebeest
Bongo
Sitatunga
Wattled Crane
Bolivian Squirrel Monkey
Spectacled Owl
Snowy Owl
Eurasian Eagle Owl

Page 6
Ring Tailed Lemur
White-cheeked Turaco
Red-billed Blue Magpie
Sunbittern
Black Crake
Stellar’s Sea Eagle
Secretary Bird
Linne’s Two Toed Sloth
Laughing Kookaburra
Brush Tailed Bettong
Short Beaked Echidna
Clouded Leopard

Page 7
Canadian Lynx
Giant Panda
Dhole

Histories

The histories were done for species where I couldn't find the names of the individual animals to work out a tree for. What was done instead was a quick look at arrivals of adults, births, deaths of their offspring and a date given for when the species was phased out if it has been. This is the group were there might be the most potential for future family trees.

Page 5

Plains Zebra

Page 6
Ocellated River Stingray
White Blotched River Stingray
San Esteban Chuckwalla
Prehensile-tailed skink
Black Tree Monitor
Rio Fuerte Beaded Lizard
Chinese Crocodile Lizard
Fijian Banded Iguana
Red-crested Turaco
Violaceous Turaco
Elegant Crested Tinamou
White Nosed Coatimundi
Asian Short Clawed Otter
Kinkajou
Ringtail
Wolverine
Black Footed Ferret
Rock Hyrax
Brazilian Agouti
Prevost’s Squirrel
Beaver
North American Porcupine
Eastern Black Rhino
Eastern Massassauga Rattlesnake
Jamacian Boa
Burrowing Owl
King Vulture
Black and White Ruffed Lemur
Brown Greater Galago
Senegal Bushbaby
Thick-billed Parrot
Kea
Hyacinth Macaw
Toco Toucan
Bearded Barbet
Green Aracari
Blue-grey Tanager
Silver-Beaked Tanager
Golden-breasted Starling
White-rumped Shama
Hooded Pitta
Bali Myna
Azure-winged magpie
Red-crested Cardinal
White-crested Laughingthrush
Plush-crested Jay
Fairy Bluebird
Tawny Frogmouth
Blue-faced Honeyeater
Pygmy Marmoset
Parma wallaby
Eastern Grey Kangaroo
Western Grey Kangaroo
Common Wallaroo
Bennett’s wallaby

Page 7
Demoiselle Crane
Grey Crowned Crane
Red-legged Seriema
Grey-winged Trumpeter
Crested Wood Partridge
Palawan Peacock Pheasant
Cabot’s Tragopan
Great Argus
Grey-capped Emerald Dove
Jambu Fruit Dove
Luzon Bleeding Heart Dove
Green-naped Pheasant Pigeon
Nicobar Pigeon
Victoria Crowned Pigeon
Egyptian Fruit Bats
Straw Coloured Fruit Bat
Indian Flying Fox
Chimpanzee
Tomistoma
Painted Terrapin
Brown Forest Tortoise
Burmese Star Tortoise
Home’s Hingeback Tortoise
Madagascar Flat-tailed Tortoise
Madagascar Spider Tortoise
Radiated Tortoises
Black-breasted Leaf Turtle
Blanding’s Turtle
Flower-back Box Turtle
Spiny Turtle
Wood Turtle
Panamanian Golden Frog (Atelopus varius)
Panamanian Golden Frog (Atelopus zeteki)
Wyoming Toad
Masked Lapwing
Spur Winged Lapwing
West Indian Whistling Duck
Swan Goose
Trumpeter Swan
Marble Teal
Nubian Ibex
Sable Antelope
Black Duiker
Common Waterbuck
Thomson's Gazelle
Gemsbok
Impala
Nyala
Springbok
Barasingha
Reeve’s Muntjac
Caribbean Flamingo
Greater Flamingo
Great White Pelican
Pink Backed Pelican
Sacred Ibis
African Spoonbill
Saddle Billed Stork
White Stork
Red Billed Hornbill
Von Der Decken’s Hornbill
Blue-crowned Motmot
Blue-bellied Roller
Nile Softshell Turtle

Page 8

Straw Necked Ibis
Bobcat
Caracal
Ocelot
Aardvark
Southern Tamandua
Hoffman’s Two Toed Sloth
Guereza Colobus
De Brazza’s Monkey
Mara
African Wild Dog
Bat Eared Fox
Fennec Fox
Persian Onager

And for those of you counting we have looked at 208 different species in 74 family trees and 134 histories.

Other fun facts...

Earliest Arrivals - Barasingha arriving in 1971. There could be another I missed but most early arrivals arrived in 1973 or early 1974. There are a few at 1972. I could have missed another 1971 arrival.

Worst Adult Survival - Demoiselle crane. Above and beyond any other species this one had an atrocious death rate amongst newly arriving adults. Disgustingly high especially when all of those 79 adult deaths only contributed to 3 chicks!

Most Prolific Species - Black footed ferrets with 465 just broke out as the top species. Maras were close behind with 447 (just 2 back) before this springs 16 pups. They are tops among the mammals, birds and reptiles.

Poorest Offspring Survival - Polar bears (4 for 35), Barasingha (7 for 44), White-crested Laughingthrush (4 for 28). There are a lot who struggled to reach 50% survival and had greater numeric loss and species where an entire litter or clutch die but they have just one or two breeding's for those failures. These are the ones with the worst success over multiple breeding attempts and pairs.

Longest Family Tree - Red Panda (that I was able to follow all the way down by name)

Single Animal Species - Green water dragon, Straw necked Ibis, Topi, Serval, South American tapir, Thick-billed parrot, Red billed hornbill, Kinkajou, Guereza colobus, Asian small clawed otter, and Rio Fuerte beaded lizard.

Phased Out Species - The link is just easier. Former Toronto Zoo Animals [Toronto Zoo]

Longest Term Resident - Orang, Puppe, arriving in September of 1973 and thankfully she is still with us today. Longest term male is gorilla, Charles arriving in September of 1974 and also thankfully still kicking. They are the last official members of the 1974 club. The Aldabara I think arrived in 1975 or 1976 but I could be wrong. They haven't been continuous residents though.

I'm sure I could route out other stats for you but its hard remembering everything we have covered since we started 8 months ago.
 
Elephant

I could also pump out the elephants pretty easily too. Also because this is a short list if I can find their obituaries I'll include the links. I also found this cool article some of you might enjoy.
Historicist: Elephant Escapades

Tantor’s Family Tree
Tantor (M)

Born: 1969, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
30 Jul 1974, Toronto Zoo
Died: 2 Aug 1989, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Thika (F)
Tumpe (F)
Toronto (M)
T.W. (F)

Fun Fact: The whole elephant program ground to a halt when he died during an operation on his tusk. For some reason I will never understand the zoo did not get a new bull. They had so many breeding age females (3 of whom were proven) it seems silly to have just given up so easily. All that genetic potential that the North American population could desperately use just wasted.

Thika (F)
Born: 18 Oct 1980, Toronto Zoo
Father: Tantor
Mother: Tequilla
Transfer: 17 Oct 2013, PAWS
Fun Fact: She was the zoo’s first calf and the first African elephant born in Canada. The zoo had been working really hard on AI with her her in the late 1990’s and very early 2000’s. Sadly nothing worked thus ensuring none of the herd’s genetics would live on.

Tumpe (F)
Born: 25 Aug 1983, Toronto Zoo
Father: Tantor
Mother: Tequila
Transfer: 6 Jun 1986, Greater Vancouver Zoo
26 Sep 2002, Riverbanks Zoological Park
18 Oct 2007, Disney's Animal Kingdom
Died: 17 Mar 2009, Disney's Animal Kingdom
Fun Fact: She is the only calf to have left Toronto. Sadly too many years were wasted on her being in Vancouver where she wasnt with a bull.

Toronto (M)
Born: 28 Jun 1984, Toronto Zoo
Father: Tantor
Mother: Toka
Died: 5 May 1994, Toronto Zoo

T. W. (F)
Born: 13 Sep 1984, Toronto Zoo
Father: Tantor
Mother: Tessa
Died: 15 Sep 1984, Toronto Zoo

Tessa’s Family Tree
Tessa (F)

Born: 1969, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
30 Jul 1974, Toronto Zoo
Died: 13 6 2009, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: T.W (F)
https://www.torontozoo.com/pdfs/TessaReleaseJune14th.pdf

For T.W. see Tantor's family tree

Tara’s Family Tree
Tara (F)

Born: 1969, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
30 Jul 1974, Toronto Zoo
Died: 30 Nov 2009, Toronto Zoo
https://www.torontozoo.com/pdfs/Tara Release Final 091130.pdf

Tequila’s Family Tree

Tequila (F)

Born: 1970, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
30 Jul 1974, Toronto Zoo
Died: 2 Aug 2008, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Thika (F)
Tumpe (F)

https://www.torontozoo.com/pdfs/TorontoZoo20080903_Tequila.pdf

For Thika and Tumpe see Tantor's family tree.

Toka’s Family Tree
Toka (F)

Born: 1970, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc.
4 Aug 1974, Toronto Zoo
17 Oct 2013, PAWS
Offspring: Toronto (M)

For Toronto see Tantor's family tree.

Patsy’s Family Tree
Patsy (F)

Born: 1967, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
1 Nov 1974, Toronto Zoo
Died: 24 Jul 2006, Toronto Zoo
Fun Fact: Patsy was the matriarch until her death.
Toronto Zoo | Press Releases

Iringa's Family Tree

Iringa (F)

Born: 1969, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc.
1 Nov 1974, Toronto Zoo
17 Oct 2013, PAWS
Died: Jul 2015, PAWS

Juanita’s Family Tree
Juanita (F)

Born: 1969, Mozambique (WILD)
Transfer: 1974, Fred Zeehandelaar Inc
1 Nov 1974, Toronto Zoo
29 Jun 1982, Steele and Tata Elephant Ranch
Jul 1982, Bill Neville
21 Jul 1984, Wildlife Safari
2 Jun 1997, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
2 Sep 2008, Columbus Zoo
1 Dec 2010, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
Died: 16 Jul 2012, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
Fun Fact: The only member of the original herd to leave. She is reported to have killed 3 handlers in her life.
African Elephant Dies at Metroparks Zoo | fox8.com
Two proven breeding bulls that they could have used at the time would be Peter would died in 1987 and Chico born in 1969 and died in 2012
 
Thank you Akula for letting me know I goofed and missed posting the babirusa. I had done it when I did the other pigs but somehow failed to post it. This is why I encourage you to ask.

Babirusa

Our first babirusas were actually Bucky and Olive arriving on the same day in 2011. Muna was their first and only offspring. As we know there will be no more piglets due to Olive's rear leg issues so this will likely be all we have for the foreseeable future.

Bucky (M)
Born: 21 Dec 2007, St. Louis Zoo
Father: Bandana
Mother: Lucy
Transfer: 6 Apr 2011, Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Muna (F)
Asmara (F)
Berani (M)


Muna (F)
Born:3 Apr 2012, Toronto Zoo
Father: Bucky
Mother: Olive
Transfer: 22 Jun 2017, Micanopy Zoological Preserve
19 Apr 2018, San Diego Safari Park
Offspring: Asmara (F)
Berani (M)


Asmara (F)
Born: 25 May 2019, San Diego Safari Park
Father: Jethro
Mother: Muna

Berani (M)
Born: 25 May 2019, San Diego Safari Park
Father: Jethro
Mother: Muna

Olive (F)
Born: 15 May 2009, Audubon Zoo
Father: Hank
Mother: Guava
Transfer: 6 Apr 2011 Toronto Zoo
Offspring: Muna (F)
Asmara (F)
Berani (M)
 
You wont. I couldn't find the info on either species. I really hope one day I can do the lions but I have been trying for that one for years. I desperately wanted to do lions. For them I can name the current pride, their 4 boys (Hank, Harrison, Oliver and Gus), previous pride (Nokonda, Rowdy, Jerrho, Lindy and their older brother Simba who may still be alive at Parc Safari) and the visiting group of white lions (Tandi, Kolwa and Kanya, might be a little off on the names). The ostriches also proved tricky. Best I can do is list the current ones and add Jock and Miss Ellie. Cannot get anything else about them.

If you dont see a species odds are I tried and failed to find anything.
 
All of this information is astonishing, thank you so much for all of the effort you have put into this!!!
Out of curiosity- how do you find all of this information? Is there specific sites or databases that have information?
 
Thank you! This has been my baby. If I hadnt broken up the info over several documents my guess is my master doc would be about 1000 pages give or take. I have been carefully tracking the gorillas, orangs, and giraffes for years. Some friends asked me if I could do both kinds of tigers, rhinos, snow leopards (which I hadn't gone as in depth with). I had a solid base for many of them because years ago I tried to track every named animal that had been at the zoo. Basically I spent 8 months researching everything I could from various sources all over the web.
 
Great question @ProjectGames, I am just an average person who might have a small... ok enormous obsession and high drive to learn things about the zoo. I most definitely do not work at the zoo or in the zoo community. Missed a calling there for sure.
 
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@TZFan Do you have histories about the African Penguin in Toronto Zoo, like when did the Zoo start to keep African Penguin, approximately how many offsprings the Zoo has bred.
 
@StellarChaser all of those answers are located on page 5. I covered the arrival and if I didnt total up chicks it would be pretty easy to add up the chicks.
 
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