Fierce Creatures

Zambar

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In some ways stemming off from discussion in the 'Zoos as Playgrounds' thread, I thought it'd be interesting to see how many ZooChatters here had seen this film and what they thought of it. There isn't much interest in zoos within TV and film and they mostly only feature in one or two scenes, so Fierce Creatures is rare in containing a plot entirely revolving around a zoo.

For those who haven't seen it, the film came out in 1997 and starred John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Kline and Michael Palin, and it was regarded as a follow up to A Fish Called Wanda by utilising the same cast and crew. The setting, 'Marwood Zoo', was a combination of a set at Pinewood Studios and location filming was done at two real zoos, Marwell and Jersey. The plot involves a quaint, english zoo being taken over by an American Mega-Company in an attempt to make more money. The new rule from this takeover is that the zoo must send away all their harmless, 'cute' creatures in order to only keep species potentially violent and dangerous, and the benefit of brand advertising to keep the zoo financially stable.

What's interesting is that discussion elsewhere on the board has been about whether the plot was based on a real account, and whether it brings to mind current going-ons, where zoos comerciallise to the point of silliness to keep themselves alive. In fact, Fierce Creatures could be used as a point-hold of any discussion related to anything vaugely 'un zoo-like' being utilised within the places we all know and love.

And then there's also little points of interest, as the film shows a quite a wide understanding of the zoo world and how it all works, the film itself dedicated to the late Gerald Durrell. And in one very breif scene you can see the John Cleese's character's notice board covered in leaflets and clippings from the real zoo world, such as Marwell's 1992 leaflet and a newspaper article about John Aspinall.
 
Indeed; not as good as it's predecessor but a funny and enjoyable film none the less.
 
As I said on the other thread, I just saw (and heard of) this movie for the first time this week. I did not like the movie much, though it was funny in places. I can think of NO zoos that I've seen that are at all like the obscene fictional Marwood Zoo.

One surprising thing is that this horrible zoo's fictional name is very, very close to the actual name of Marwell Zoo. What were the Marwell folks thinking in letting them do this? Since they were allowing filming on their grounds, you'd think they would have some say over the name of the terrible movie zoo. Would Seattle's Woodland Park Zoo allow a similar movie be filmed on their grounds and have the movie call it the "Wooden Park Zoo"?

By the way, they're filming a new movie about zoos here in the States. It's called "The Zookeeper" and starts Kevin James as a keeper with no luck with the ladies. In despair over this, he threatens to quit his longtime keeper job, so the animals of the Zoo then reveal that they indeed can talk, and they want to help this keeper friend of theirs learn some good "mating habits". Many famous stars are contributing animal voices, including Adam Sandler. The movie is being filmed (now) in Boston's Franklin Park Zoo -- giving that zoo a nice financial boost.
 
Terrible idea, terrible film

I never saw it but believe it was a flop at the Box office, indicating that the 'zoo as a comedy source' didn't ignite peoples' imaginations- or was it just the film itself that was bad?
 
I thought it was funny, like mentioned above it was a typical British comedy.
 
I never saw it but believe it was a flop at the Box office, indicating that the 'zoo as a comedy source' didn't ignite peoples' imaginations- or was it just the film itself that was bad?

I think you really need to like that type of humour to enjoy it. Plus the type of humour had become unpopular in the UK.
 
I watched it on YouTube when it was mentioned in the 'Zoos as Playgrounds' thread. I thought it was quite funny too, although bits certainly tried to hard. I also found it interesting that the writer had done their homework, for example, mentioning Willie-B from Atlanta.
 
One surprising thing is that this horrible zoo's fictional name is very, very close to the actual name of Marwell Zoo. What were the Marwell folks thinking in letting them do this? Since they were allowing filming on their grounds, you'd think they would have some say over the name of the terrible movie zoo. Would Seattle's Woodland Park Zoo allow a similar movie be filmed on their grounds and have the movie call it the "Wooden Park Zoo"?

'Marwood' is John Cleese's middle name, and it's probably just coincidence, unless they used it because of the fact it sounded similar to Marwell.
 
From what I remember of it, I liked it (funny, although not hilarious). I haven't seen it in years tho - all I can remember clearly is the scene where Cleese is talking on the phone to someone (the American Mega-Company?) whilst struggling to control some small, fluffy animals (there was definately a lemur in there somewhere) with women's names, so that it sounded like some rather wild orgy to whoever Cleese was on the phone to :rolleyes:
 
Ah yes, "Don't they teach any manners in Argentina?!"
 
All in all, I'm not really able to relate to kiang's harsh opinion: although the movie does have weaknesses (like the rather clownesque end, as a result of a late change of the original end, in which both greedy father and son die as a result o animal attacks...), it does entertain me. But what I like even more (and you can see Durrell's influence on John Cleese here) is that it addresses several important aspects of modern zoos, which are debated in this forum again and again. Examples are:

-How to keep a (small) zoo in the black?
-Overboarding commercialism vs. traditional zoo views/modern animal husbandry/conservation
-zoos as animal-human interface
-What to do with surplus animals?
-Criteria for making a zoo species popular/worth being acquired?
-Why to keep exotic animals in a foreign country-just for the entertainment of the idle public? (the Giant Panda puppet!)
-Profit-orientated zoo management vs. zoo staff dedicated to individual animals
etc, etc

This makes this film quite special-at least in my eyes.

Given the cast, the story and the producing team behind it, I'm pretty sure that "The Zoo Keeper" will easily outdo "Fierce Creatures" when it comes to so-called "vulgarity"...

The pretty much unknown homonymous "The Zookeeper" starring Sam Neill might be a better choice.
The Zookeeper (2001)
 
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I saw this with a fellow keeper from Taronga when it was released. We both quite enjoyed it - BUT what we found funniest was the fact that the marketing ploys utilised by characters in the film, although-over-the-top, we thought some marketing people we knew would probably seriously consider some of the ideas. It was just a little too close to the truth. I haven't seen the movie since it came out - I'm going to have to buy the DVD I guess.

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Hix
 
If we were to be completely honest , number one in the list of criteria for species selection in way too many zoos is that they be charismatic. Although the film interprets charismatic creatures as "fierce" , in the real zoo world charismatic can also mean the opposite extreme -"cuddly" (pandas , dolphins & co).The species least likely to be kept are those that are not especially firece/cuddly/enormous/visually spectacular/ etc.So the film basically hits the nail on the head.Nevertheless , there is light at the end of the tunnel.Many zoo visitors are becoming increasingly sophisticated and the more alert zoos are beginning to pay attention.I have seen zoo visitors absorbed in watching vinegar foxes , bar-headed geese & peccaries of all things , and just give a few glances at some of the more "charismatic" species.The film is reasonably funny, although I think they could have risked being more outrageous.
 
BUT what we found funniest was the fact that the marketing ploys utilised by characters in the film, although-over-the-top, we thought some marketing people we knew would probably seriously consider some of the ideas. It was just a little too close to the truth.

I don't think it was "close to the truth" at all -- at least not with any of the 200+ zoos I've seen.

As I've said before, comparing any modern zoo to the fictional zoo in this movie is like comparing your most hated politician to Adolph Hitler. No matter how bad you think Bush (or Obama) is -- he's NOT as bad as Adolf!!!
 
"Fierce Creatures" was an occasionally funny movie that appeared to be haphazardly tossed together like some bizarre salad. Lots of fruity stuff, some dressing, but not a lot of substance.:) It served as an opportunity for the gang from "A Fish Called Wanda" to become reunited, and "Wanda" is a much funnier movie. Kevin Kline even won an Academy Award!
 
I don't think it was "close to the truth" at all -- at least not with any of the 200+ zoos I've seen.

...which once again underlines the limits of the perceptual capacity of the mere zoo layman onlooker.

The digressive Adolph Hitler comparison (what about Mao, Joseph Stalin and various other oppressive dictators of the more recent past?) might only be coherent in the author's very own mind.

Being not successful in the cinema does not mean that the movie necessarily has to be bad: sometimes, this might be a result of bad advertisement (Princess Mononoke in the US), cultural differences or negative attendant circumstances (Carpenter's The Thing).
 
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I don't think it was "close to the truth" at all -- at least not with any of the 200+ zoos I've seen.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear - what was "close to the truth" was the marketing mentality. Kevin Kline's character reminded my friend and I of some people we knew.

Just on a side note, at a major zoo I know of about five years ago, the director sent an email to all department heads stating that as albino/white animals were really popular with the public, the zoo was going to try and acquire as many white animals as possible and if any of the staff knew of white animals in zoos or fauna parks they should make management aware of them. Return emails from others in management quashed the idea fairly quickly.

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Hix
 
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear - what was "close to the truth" was the marketing mentality. Kevin Kline's character reminded my friend and I of some people we knew.

Just on a side note, at a major zoo I know of about five years ago, the director sent an email to all department heads stating that as albino/white animals were really popular with the public, the zoo was going to try and acquire as many white animals as possible and if any of the staff knew of white animals in zoos or fauna parks they should make management aware of them. Return emails from others in management quashed the idea fairly quickly.

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Hix

I have to agree with you Hix. I went to the cinema with a number of other zoo folk, and while the movie isn't an all-time great, there were too many uncomfortable truths for zoo keepers. We all agreed that zoo management might take the plot too seriously and use it as a training video on 'How to run a zoo'.
 
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