Flush with conservation possibilities: building a better toilet

Bill Gates is trying to build a better toilet and sanitation system for the 40% of the people in the world (2 billion + people) who lack basic sanitation facilities. This could be a great boon to wildlife conservation by improving water quality in aquatic habitats that now serve as de facto sewage systems.

Bill Gates: Reinvent the toilet, save the world - latimes.com

Alas, these guys have good intentions, but never seem to consider "where will all these people who survive live? What will they eat? Where will we get the resources to support them and their offspring?".

You say it is a boon to wildlife, but I say that it is a bane. Improved sanitation and vaccination must be done in conjunction with contraception education, I think.
 
Alas, these guys have good intentions, but never seem to consider "where will all these people who survive live? What will they eat? Where will we get the resources to support them and their offspring?".

You say it is a boon to wildlife, but I say that it is a bane. Improved sanitation and vaccination must be done in conjunction with contraception education, I think.

I think that people having basic stability (food security, decent housing with basic sanitation, adequate water) is essential for population stabilization. The best case scenarios that I have seen for stabilizing world population is that it tops out at about 10-12 billion and then enters a phase like Japan and Europe are in now where populations stabilize and perhaps fall somewhat. Giving women access to educational opportunities and family planning resources is critical as you suggest, but so is finding ways to deliver the basic services people need for decent lives, like basic sanitation that does not turn rivers and wetlands into de facto sewage systems.
 
I think that people having basic stability (food security, decent housing with basic sanitation, adequate water) is essential for population stabilization. The best case scenarios that I have seen for stabilizing world population is that it tops out at about 10-12 billion and then enters a phase like Japan and Europe are in now where populations stabilize and perhaps fall somewhat. Giving women access to educational opportunities and family planning resources is critical as you suggest, but so is finding ways to deliver the basic services people need for decent lives, like basic sanitation that does not turn rivers and wetlands into de facto sewage systems.

It's a double-edged sword: improve the water quality in waterways, but the increased population might probably end up clearing said waterways for food/housing.

I feel as though we are past the tipping point, and we are doomed unless the planet loses about 2 billion people tomorrow - one billion of which would have to be Chinese (re: their voracious appetite for resources and exotic food). This of course, is not going to happen, so I think that we are screwed. Enjoy wildlife while you can, because your kids will have to look at tigers and lions in books and in zoos.

I think Westerners often forget that people were quite merrily living in squalor before we decided that we should civilise them. World population was relatively stable, wildlife numbers were relatively stable, until some do-gooder decided "hey, let's improve their sanitation and vaccinate them" without thinking ahead. To me, the problem has never really been sewerage entering the waterways (animals poo in the water), but it has been the massive increase in goo entering the waterways due to increased population and increased access to chemicals.

I can go on and on, but it's dinner time. :D
David, you know my background, and you know that I understand the mentality of 3rd-worlders in a way that the average Westerner does not (we'll keep the "how" between us). I can't see how improving their quality of life will cause them to birth less children. And if educating women does do it, then it might still be too late for the environment. :(
 
I think Westerners often forget that people were quite merrily living in squalor before we decided that we should civilise them. World population was relatively stable, wildlife numbers were relatively stable, until some do-gooder decided "hey, let's improve their sanitation and vaccinate them" without thinking ahead. To me, the problem has never really been sewerage entering the waterways (animals poo in the water), but it has been the massive increase in goo entering the waterways due to increased population and increased access to chemicals.

This view seems a bit cynical, but of course everyone is welcome to their own opinion of what "progress" means and whether it's a good thing.

The general trajectory of economic development and human population growth seems to leave some room for optimism that some aspect of biological diversity will survive the 21st century and beyond. The human population will stabilize at some point this century and evidence suggests that when enough people in a society reach a comfortable level of economic security the growth rate of the population falls into a sustainable groove, or even below replacement levels (where Japan, Russia, and western Europe are now). China is on track to fit this pattern if what I read is correct, and perhaps India, South Asia, and much of South America. It also seems that economic development causes the majority of populations to move to urban areas so we end up with mega-cities with large areas of formerly inhabited agricultural and rural areas depopulated.

There are huge challenges ahead obviously. Energy, food, and water resources are limited and we need to find ways to extend them sustainably. Some people think that we will find ways to do this and some people are skeptical. Apocalypse is possible, but I think that muddling through to something resembling a sustainable future in which there are viable populations of many of the the species we care about living in functional wild ecosystems is possible too. I'm not a utopian dreamer, but I do see some hope for wild giraffe and elephant populations being sustained and that's what keeps me going.
 
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This view seems a bit cynical, but of course everyone is welcome to their own opinion of what "progress" means and whether it's a good thing.

The general trajectory of economic development and human population growth seems to leave some room for optimism that some aspect of biological diversity will survive the 21st century and beyond. The human population will stabilize at some point this century and evidence suggests that when enough people in a society reach a comfortable level of economic security the growth rate of the population falls into a sustainable groove, or even below replacement levels (where Japan, Russia, and western Europe are now). China is on track to fit this pattern if what I read is correct, and perhaps India, South Asia, and much of South America. It also seems that economic development causes the majority of populations to move to urban areas so we end up with mega-cities with large areas of formerly inhabited agricultural and rural areas depopulated.

There are huge challenges ahead obviously. Energy, food, and water resources are limited and we need to find ways to extend them sustainably. Some people think that we will find ways to do this and some people are skeptical. Apocalypse is possible, but I think that muddling through to something resembling a sustainable future in which there are viable populations of many of the the species we care about living in functional wild ecosystems is possible too. I'm not a utopian dreamer, but I do see some hope for wild giraffe and elephant populations being sustained and that's what keeps me going.

The world needs cynics. :D I hope you don't suggest in subsequent posts that every country should adopt democracy, even if we have to force it on them, and only if it the people vote for a party we approve. ;)

"Progress" often comes with a price in developing countries: change your name and change your religion, because a lot of work is done by missionaries. Many of these missionaries do not preach contraception, and we all know what that does to human populations: go forth and multiply. David, I think that not only am I entitled to an opinion, but I am entitled to be cynical, because I have seen "progression" at the hands of Westerners: there is always a huge price to pay.

These days, progress comes in the form of Chinese freebies and loans for infrastructure projects. I am sure that you have seen this across Africa, but it is happening in SE Asia, South America, and the Caribbean as well. (There is a documentary every month here in Australia about this new form of colonialism.) The Chinese give with one hand, and take a developing country's resources with the other. Corrupt officials are easily paid off to ensure that large tracks of land are used to grow food for China, that the fish is plundered on an industrial scale, and that hardwoods are cut.

Your post is theoretically sound, but there are a few things that you overlooked. For example, although people will move out of the countryside and into the city, these mega-cities are forced to expand laterally. This means that surrounding countryside/forests (and even said abandoned farmlands) are gobbled up. I agree that population should stabilise, and even drop, but by then, most of our planet might look like a scene from a sci-fi movie where the planet's entire surface is one continuous mega-city. Indeed, I have read that this has already happened in Japan, where large cities once separated by many kilometres, have now expanded and overlapped.

You touched on the consumption of these increasing mega-cities (re: water, food, energy), but made only a passing comment on us finding these consumables in a sustainable manner. You may remember the 1973 oil embargo (which was an "oil boom" for many developing countries with oil, by the way) when the energy crisis prompted research into sustainable energy. 40 years later, and I still drive a car fuelled by petrol. We just aren't progressing fast enough in that respect. Water tables are falling, rivers are dammed (and damned), and we keep clearing forests and oceans to feed us. Yes, we may stabilise in a few decades, but by then the world might be barren - except for some giraffes and elephants. :D No rhinos, no tuna, no sharks, no polar bears, no tigers. I agree that having viable populations of animals is possible - but it will be a scientist that decides on the (small) viable number (300?), that will be a tiny fraction of the species's population 50 years before. But, don't despair, because at least we have 12 billion people. :D I think Agent Smith described us best in 'The Matrix': we are like viruses that consume and multiply.

Pulling it back to the toilet: MIT has a lab that does this kind of thing (called the 'D-Lab'). They go into the field and ask about the most pressing problems, and then get the best designers and engineers in the world to work on them. This link will give you an idea of some of their projects: D-Lab | Development through Dialogue, Design and Dissemination
Not surprisingly, there aren't (m)any conservation/wildlife projects.

Time for breakfast. :D
 
Perhaps we need both perspectives nanoboy: clear-eyed reality checks and (hopefully) informed optimism that we can make choices that will stop the world from becoming a biodiversity-less wasteland.

Predicting the future is fun, but notoriously difficult. Regarding fossil-fuel burning cars, check out "Revenge of the Electric Cars", a documentary and sequel to "Who Killed The Electric Car?" It has some very prominent auto industry executives forecasting what the automobile industry is going to evolve into in the next couple decades and it isn't based on the internal combustion engine.

As for megacities expanding and wiping out natural areas, that will inevitably happen. We can hope that the urban planners (to the extent they exist) will learn some lessons from the past and try to do what they can to keep natural ecosystems around. It's happening in parts of California.
 
I've always thought modern toilet technology was inadequate. Why do they need to run on water anyway?
 
Perhaps we need both perspectives nanoboy: clear-eyed reality checks and (hopefully) informed optimism that we can make choices that will stop the world from becoming a biodiversity-less wasteland.

Predicting the future is fun, but notoriously difficult. Regarding fossil-fuel burning cars, check out "Revenge of the Electric Cars", a documentary and sequel to "Who Killed The Electric Car?" It has some very prominent auto industry executives forecasting what the automobile industry is going to evolve into in the next couple decades and it isn't based on the internal combustion engine.

As for megacities expanding and wiping out natural areas, that will inevitably happen. We can hope that the urban planners (to the extent they exist) will learn some lessons from the past and try to do what they can to keep natural ecosystems around. It's happening in parts of California.

Yes, that is a fair point: we need optimists to try to bring about change, and we need pessimists to ask relevant questions and give reminders about past mistakes.

I have been watching documentaries on cold fusion and fuel cells (and other forms of alternative energy) for the last 20 years. I am all too familiar with the predictions that scientists have been making, yet the only affordable alternative has been a hybrid vehicle that itself is unaffordable to most people. This is probably one field that I am on top of (I don't know much about animals, as you can tell) and I am not holding my breath. But, you did say "couple decades", so in 40 years there must be some improvement. I'll need to wear a gas mask outside before that though. :D

I hope that urban planners build vertically rather than laterally. I look at Melbourne: everyone wants a plot of land with a backyard. Bye bye forests. :(
 
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