We do own gorilla Shalia's first born son Suliaman. There is a good chance we will own the second. We wouldn't if she was still in Milwaukee especially if she was still breeding with Cassius. Now that she lives in Atlanta and is breeding with Willie B Jr I think it will reset who gets ownership and it is customary for mother's owner to own the first born, father's owns the second born and if they are both on loan to another zoo that other zoo would get third born. In this case Willie B Jr is owned by Atlanta so ownership will rotate back and forth between Toronto and Atlanta. If we don't own Shalia's second born (because sometimes deals differ from the norm) we would definitely own the third. In the end though ownership isn't a big deal other than it gives the owning zoo the right to say yes or no to transfers of that animal and to possibly use them to get a deal for another animal which is more often done in overseas trades. The example of that one I can think of is when Toronto got snow leopard Ena. We traded the zoo in Japan a male snow leopard we owned who was born and living in Winnipeg.