Melbourne Zoo Future of Melbourne Zoo 2023 (Speculation / Fantasy)

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I’m actually a big fan of Currumbin, mostly due to the natural beauty and the quality of exhibits. It was getting a bit repetitive until the new precinct which has some great exotic animals, capybara being my favourite animal (tied with okapi) was a great addition and improved the appeal to children. I desperately hope Melbourne implement Capybara, and an encounter would be the greatest thing ever created by a human being

Capybara have become really popular across New Zealand’s zoos over the last decade. Wellington Zoo do an encounter where everyone gets given a scratching stick and you can scratch their backs, which they clearly enjoy.

Capybara are the staple of any Australasian zoo creating a South American precinct; though the crown jewel remains the unobtainable Jaguar.
 
Capybara have become really popular across New Zealand’s zoos over the last decade. Wellington Zoo do an encounter where everyone gets given a scratching stick and you can scratch their backs, which they clearly enjoy.

Capybara are the staple of any Australasian zoo creating a South American precinct; though the crown jewel remains the unobtainable Jaguar.
I think I’m moving now
 
I was wondering, do you receive much information about upcoming projects or species? I’m of course not going to ask you for further detail, I was just wondering how far down information gets in the chain

We get info, and it does come down the chain - however there is also a lot of info that we don't get. Even people higher up the chain than volunteers don't get a lot of this info. And that's okay - that's normal in business: things are often revealed to staff on a need to know basis.

One thing that is important to remember is that in zoos things change regularly and sometimes suddenly - so while something may be planned in a certain amount of detail, an unexpected roadblock occurs and all of a sudden the original plan goes out the window - and it's nobody's fault.

Generally the info we receive is info that the zoo is happy for us to discuss. Sometimes if there is some exciting news we are asked not to share it before the zoo makes the official announcement - which is no different from how a football club would do these things.

If there is something that the zoo doesn't want us to discuss they will specifically tell us though.

Some disclosure from me personally: anything I say on this forum is my view - and any info I find out from my volunteering that I share on here is info that I know is for public consumption. If I'm unsure whether something is or isn't, then I won't discuss it - I always err on the side of caution with this stuff.
 
Another example of this is Currumbin. I’ve consistently heard non zoo people friends rave about this park. Not knowing much about it, I once replied “they just have lorikeets and stuff right?” and was told, yes, but there’s more than you’ll ever see in one place.

It's funny that you mention Currumbin - I absolutely love the place! It's just such a beautiful zoo. It's not really about the number of species to me but how they are displayed. I really do think when a zoo is pretty and aesthetically pleasing (with beautiful flora etc) then it is a much nicer place and gives visitors a far better experience - regardless of the number of animals. This is one reason I love Mogo Zoo so much - the setting is just so beautiful.
 
We get info, and it does come down the chain - however there is also a lot of info that we don't get. Even people higher up the chain than volunteers don't get a lot of this info. And that's okay - that's normal in business: things are often revealed to staff on a need to know basis.

One thing that is important to remember is that in zoos things change regularly and sometimes suddenly - so while something may be planned in a certain amount of detail, an unexpected roadblock occurs and all of a sudden the original plan goes out the window - and it's nobody's fault.

Generally the info we receive is info that the zoo is happy for us to discuss. Sometimes if there is some exciting news we are asked not to share it before the zoo makes the official announcement - which is no different from how a football club would do these things.

If there is something that the zoo doesn't want us to discuss they will specifically tell us though.

Some disclosure from me personally: anything I say on this forum is my view - and any info I find out from my volunteering that I share on here is info that I know is for public consumption. If I'm unsure whether something is or isn't, then I won't discuss it - I always err on the side of caution with this stuff.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for letting me know.
 
I’m actually a big fan of Currumbin, mostly due to the natural beauty and the quality of exhibits. It was getting a bit repetitive until the new precinct which has some great exotic animals, capybara being my favourite animal (tied with okapi) was a great addition and improved the appeal to children. I desperately hope Melbourne implement Capybara, and an encounter would be the greatest thing ever created by a human being

I also like what Currumbin have done with the exotics: get A FEW exotic species and display them well - they don't need to get every species under the sun. And if you dig a bit deeper, have a look at the species they do have and what they have in common:
Red Panda
Binturong
Capybara
Cotton Top Tamarin
Ringtailed Lemur
They are all likeable and "enabling" species.

They haven't got every available exotic species but they have got the right ones for them. The species they have suit the place.
 
I also like what Currumbin have done with the exotics: get A FEW exotic species and display them well - they don't need to get every species under the sun. And if you dig a bit deeper, have a look at the species they do have and what they have in common:
Red Panda
Binturong
Capybara
Cotton Top Tamarin
Ringtailed Lemur
They are all likeable and "enabling" species.

They haven't got every available exotic species but they have got the right ones for them. The species they have suit the place.
Completely agree, whoever is running the place made some great choices. I wonder if they will go further with exotics or not(not saying they need to)
 
It's funny that you mention Currumbin - I absolutely love the place! It's just such a beautiful zoo. It's not really about the number of species to me but how they are displayed. I really do think when a zoo is pretty and aesthetically pleasing (with beautiful flora etc) then it is a much nicer place and gives visitors a far better experience - regardless of the number of animals. This is one reason I love Mogo Zoo so much - the setting is just so beautiful.

The setting is indeed so import to a zoo. As a fan of zoological history and architecture, Auckland and Wellington are a treasure trove of history with the remnants of a few pieces of architecture between them compared to Hamilton and Orana, who lack this.

Similarly, Melbourne has a rich history and several notable historical features and buildings which are an asset to the zoo and make it a more attractive place to visit in my mind.
 
Completely agree, whoever is running the place made some great choices. I wonder if they will go further with exotics or not(not saying they need to)

I have no idea if they will - but I'm glad they have what they have. I think sometimes all of us here on this forum (myself included) are guilty of focusing a bit much on what all of the zoos don't have and not enough on what they do have. And I really like what Currumbin have.
 
I agree @Grant Rhino
What Melbourne does have
I will tell you my favourite exibits

Western Lowland Gorrila-timeless and one of the best in Australia
Pygmy Hippo- great exibit with a cool underwater viewing area
Asian small clawed otter- this exhibit is large and has underwater viewing
H Baboons- good exibit with a decent sized tribe
Coati- even thought the are probably going to be phased out there exibit is one of the best
Snow leopard- the exibits are both great but my favourite is the first one.
Tasmanian devil- the exibit is big with plenty
Siamang and orangutan- while the exibit is on the small side it is still one of the most practical exibits for keepers and has some cool additions like a small indoor climbing area, the siamang exibit is great and a good size and cool tech for the orangutan to interact with, hopefully we will see an arboreal platform to the lake island or elephant exibit in the future
Plus Melbourne didn’t phase out colobus monkeys, this could be,a start of,requiring some of our favourite species
I will do a follow up of what Melbourne doesn’t have and my least favourite exibit
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Somewhat related but the recommendation of deer doesn’t really sit well with me to be honest. I’d personally rather see anything other than an invasive species in Australia feature in zoos. I roll my eyes every time I see any of the invasive hoovestock features in zoo collections. That maybe a controversial take but I’d rather see literally anything else than an invasive displayed in our zoos.
 
Somewhat related but the recommendation of deer doesn’t really sit well with me to be honest. I’d personally rather see anything other than an invasive species in Australia feature in zoos. I roll my eyes every time I see any of the invasive hoovestock features in zoo collections. That maybe a controversial take but I’d rather see literally anything else than an invasive displayed in our zoos.
That’s fair enough, and I would agree with you if the deer were on their own, but they are not. The purpose of them in those exhibits is to simulate their natural environment and compliment the Indian Rhino
 
That’s fair enough, and I would agree with you if the deer were on their own, but they are not. The purpose of them in those exhibits is to simulate their natural environment and compliment the Indian Rhino

I agree. At the end of the day Melbourne Zoo have to be realistic about what they can import. Cost effectiveness is always a consideration.

Australia has six feral deer species: European fallow deer, Red deer, Indian hog deer, Chital, Javan rusa and Sambar. Three of these are native to India; and a fourth is native to South East Asia. Might as well use those that can be used in mixed species exhibits as a supporting act to the main species (e.g. Indian rhinoceros).
 
Somewhat related but the recommendation of deer doesn’t really sit well with me to be honest. I’d personally rather see anything other than an invasive species in Australia feature in zoos. I roll my eyes every time I see any of the invasive hoovestock features in zoo collections. That maybe a controversial take but I’d rather see literally anything else than an invasive displayed in our zoos.

This is an important point - and I agree with you for the most part. I suspect that this is also part of the reason that Zoos Victoria don't display deer species - but I don't know that for sure.

That said (as others have also pointed out), deer can work as a supporting act to something big like Indian rhino.

The other point I would make is that each individual species should be looked at on a case by case basis - I don't think they can all be put under the same umbrella. For example elk would take up far too much room, but axis deer or hog deer in with another bigger species isn't a problem to my mind.

Another point on smaller hoofstock (deer, antelope, bovines etc) is whether the public actually sees them as "zoo animals". I've come up with a formula to decide which side of the fence these species sit on:

Formula: Do you know at least 5 people who would knowingly eat this species?

My answers:

No: Elephant, rhino, hippo, giraffe, okapi, zebra, tapir

Yes: All other species of ungulate including bison, all deer species, all antelope species, all wild bovine species, all equine species other than zebras.

Obviously there is no way in the world that I personally would eat addax, oryx, Prezwalski horse etc - but there are a lot of people out there who would.

To me this completely puts these species out of the "enabling" criteria - and I think that criteria has a bit more weight than some of the other criteria (at least in my point of view anyway).

The "deer question" is a seriously important one though - and I'm glad you have mentioned it.
 
Melbourne won't reacquire Maned Wolves. As we've previously talked about, they don't fit at least two categories.
This is a bit late I know, but I was wondering if Melbourne would consider Striped Hyena as an alternative to Dingo, providing some education about how they are different to the spotted species. I cannot see them on the live import list, but I recently heard they have been held in Australia before. Does this mean they were taken off the list? Anyway I see them as recovery as there population is decreasing, with a maximum of only 14,000 left in the wild, and an Enabler because they are hyenas, but would provide a contrast to the standard hyena
 
This is a bit late I know, but I was wondering if Melbourne would consider Striped Hyena as an alternative to Dingo, providing some education about how they are different to the spotted species. I cannot see them on the live import list, but I recently heard they have been held in Australia before. Does this mean they were taken off the list? Anyway I see them as recovery as there population is decreasing, with a maximum of only 14,000 left in the wild, and an Enabler because they are hyenas, but would provide a contrast to the standard hyena
Do you really believe it would be worth one zoo importing Striped Hyena while all the other zoos with Hyena have the Spotted?, There would be no breeding options if the one zoo has them with others with none, its pointless! What would happen when the said animals passed away? import more?
 
Do you really believe it would be worth one zoo importing Striped Hyena while all the other zoos with Hyena have the Spotted?, There would be no breeding options if the one zoo has them with others with none, its pointless! What would happen when the said animals passed away? import more?
I must highlight all my stuff is speculative and wishful thinking. I was hoping Australia could focus on them as a region when they get closer to extinction. I’m not wanting them now, but in the next decade or so when their population is still on decline I was hoping we could do something similar to the sun bear(with more success of course). They are such an interesting and underrepresented animal
 
This is a bit late I know, but I was wondering if Melbourne would consider Striped Hyena as an alternative to Dingo, providing some education about how they are different to the spotted species. I cannot see them on the live import list, but I recently heard they have been held in Australia before. Does this mean they were taken off the list? Anyway I see them as recovery as there population is decreasing, with a maximum of only 14,000 left in the wild, and an Enabler because they are hyenas, but would provide a contrast to the standard hyena

In some ways I don't mind the idea, but are they are mostly nocturnal. I've seen them in a number of zoos overseas and they are usually asleep.
 
Do you really believe it would be worth one zoo importing Striped Hyena while all the other zoos with Hyena have the Spotted?, There would be no breeding options if the one zoo has them with others with none, its pointless! What would happen when the said animals passed away? import more?

How is that any different to Melbourne being the only breeder of snow leopards in the region?

If MZ brought in a pair of striped hyena and bred them, then sent the offspring to Tasmania Zoo and Wellington Zoo it would be virtually the same wouldn't it?

Is it really any different to Darling Downs bringing in Sri Lankan leopards before anyone else in the region had them?

That said, I don't believe striped hyena are the right fit anyway.
 
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