Future of Zoos SA zoos (Speculation)

Theoretically couldn't we get more sun bears the same way we got some of the current/past ones? From private farms in Asia. There could also be a decent number that we're rescued from farms and put in rehab/sanctuaries that surely they could draw from.

Tho I vaguely rember Steve saying that the region was working on it, so there is probably a lot more at play as to what the region wants and what will happen in the future. While sloth bears are a good alternative and the shaggy Coates may make them more interesting to visitors.

Steve mentioned TB as a concern with regards to sourcing them from there. The majority of the region’s rescued bears have come with a legacy of behavioural issues due to their traumatic background, which in some cases can impede breeding.

It’s no coincidence our region’s most successful breeding pair (Bakti and Chomel) were mother raised bears.

I agree with you that Sloth bears would be a good alternative. They’d complement the Sri Lankan leopards, which are also from South Asia; though regrettably, Adelaide Zoo will no longer acquiring leopards.
 
Steve mentioned TB as a concern with regards to sourcing them from there. The majority of the region’s rescued bears have come with a legacy of behavioural issues due to their traumatic background, which in some cases can impede breeding.

It’s no coincidence our region’s most successful breeding pair (Bakti and Chomel) were mother raised bears.

I agree with you that Sloth bears would be a good alternative. They’d complement the Sri Lankan leopards, which are also from South Asia; though regrettably, Adelaide Zoo will no longer acquiring leopards.

If the leopards take of in popularity I can see them acquiring them, but not for a while. Once the Malayan tapir goes they could move the Brazilians in there with a South American monkey species. Which would free up space in other areas of the zoo. They currently have two tapir that could live together in two seperate exhibits. But a project like leopards will come after other larger projects.

TB is an issue but isnt an issue. Most brush tail possums are vectors of TB, so any zoo exhibit that houses species like sun bear or elephant that can contract TB. Can theoretically contract TB.
 
If the leopards take of in popularity I can see them acquiring them, but not for a while. Once the Malayan tapir goes they could move the Brazilians in there with a South American monkey species. Which would free up space in other areas of the zoo. They currently have two tapir that could live together in two seperate exhibits. But a project like leopards will come after other larger projects.

TB is an issue but isnt an issue. Most brush tail possums are vectors of TB, so any zoo exhibit that houses species like sun bear or elephant that can contract TB. Can theoretically contract TB.

Unfortunately the area allocated to the Sri Lankan leopards has now been allocated towards Sumatran tigers. The zoo are planning to have three Sumatran tiger exhibits long term. It’s a shame because there were originally plans to build two Sri Lankan leopard exhibits, one for a male and one for a female. This would have allowed the zoo to breed the species.

TB is nonetheless a serious concern and given Australia’s strict stance on biosecurity, it’s not something they would overlook.
 
Agree with you @Zoofan15 about the region needing another Gorilla holder. If Adelaide really has decided not to go with being open anymore to being one perhaps Monarto might be considered (or Western Plains, Bongo would no longer be the tropical African anomale now that African Forest Buffaloes have all passed away).

Personally think the continuation of Giraffes at Adelaide makes a lot of sense (the area around the Elephant temple is not much more than 1,400 sq m of exhibit space (a bit more if space in the concreted off-display loading site behind was utilised too) so small in terms of a Giraffe and accompanying African ungulate or Ostrich paddock(s) even though would triple the size of the zoo's old current Giraffe paddock. Personally think maybe a small bachelor group of Gorillas would be the best for the site (although I know its a small area, but its a similar size to the main area of Taronga's Chimp' troop, perhaps if was three Gorillas maximum (maybe four) it would be an approvable living space for them).

My runaway pie-in-the-sky mind goes to the notion instead of using it as a space for two exhibits for Sri Lankan Leopards (could say that then Adelaide might perhaps have too much space devoted to big cat species and being light on ungulates or primates in the future).
That would mean the now abandoned habitat concept for them would still go ahead as additional living space for their expanded area for their Sumatran Tigers that ZSA seems passionate about wanting to show their commitment too further.

The other thought was perhaps Brazilian Tapirs in the future, or a planted rainforest space with (new import additions) Mandrills and (pie-in the sky bit again but not entirely ''out of the question'') Okapi and Bongo shared space (but again spatial needs would be greatly pushed to the limit/perhaps even unacceptable).

A what-if thought in the short-term while Adelaide is going through its transition phase before the future works start is while Amani and Mujambi's former home will be another Sumatran Tiger exhibit (both short-term and the site itself as part of their area come renovations). The adjoining 364 sq m fenced and roof covered trio of long enclosures recently used as holding areas for Mujambi etc at times (formerly Persian Leopards til 2010 and Jaguars too prior to that) could be used as a short-term home for a Sri Lankan Leopard if the internal barrier fences were taken down or access points cut into them for full use of all three cages. Even if just as a short term resident of the zoo for a few years if any of the Sri Lankan Leopards in the region were able to be potential residents there (or a further import planned to go to another zoo as part of the Sri Lankan Leopard program in the country, via Adelaide for 2 or 3 years), although do realise again 364 sq m is not the biggest of spaces, the exhibit is tall and can have a lot of climbing opportunity set up in the form of wooden poles and transplanted medium height trees. Just an idea, farfetched perhaps but Adelaide is now in a transition era over the next few years and with it sounding like Lions are not to be until their new very large exhibit is completed in a few years then perhaps a Sri Lankan Leopard would be a viable temporary addition to the zoo that means there is another big cat to be met at the zoo in next few years apart from their awesome Sumatran Tiger family and Serval(s). Would not be a first for Adelaide (their short term female Gorilla residents 2007-2008, and similar to Taronga with Indian Rhinos and Cheetahs, Perth's Chimp trio from Taronga 1998-1999 and Chester the white Tiger over the '95-'96 summer (also courtesy of Taronga), and Melbourne, Auckland and Taronga again with Giant Pandas in '88).

ps - thats fascinating about Asian Lions social groupings in the wild, had no idea. Would be good if there was a chance for our region to once again have two to four zoos at the very least interested in holding them, structured co-operatively around their natural female and cubs grouping and solitary or bachelor duo of males grouping (starting to understand a bit better why the unfortunate death in late 1993 of the Asian Lioness at Taronga by male Kutch happened if their social structuring is very different to their African conspecifics, although perhaps have missed the list of fatalities by male African Lions on African Lionesses in captivity, though assume its normally not an occurrence given they are the social grouped anomale of the wild cats).

All good points @steveroberts .

I think the question Zoos SA needs to ask itself is what will make people visit Adelaide Zoo. Their biggest draw cards over the past decade have undoubtedly been:
1) Giant panda

2) African lion, Sumatran tiger and Sumatran orangutan

3) Giraffe, Mandrill, Hamadryas baboon, Malayan tapir, Australian sea lion

If were to regard the above as tiers, a reasonable assumption would be that Western lowland gorilla would be either halfway between 1) and 2) if a breeding troop; or a 2) if a bachelor troop. Sri Lankan leopard would be a minimum of a 3); though not quite the same level as lions and tigers.

The third tier are the epitome of “enjoying it when you get there” in that the average visitor doesn’t go with the aspiration of seeing them above any other species; but they undeniably enhance the visit.

Adelaide Zoo is planning to 4/5 of what I would consider third tier species. Though I enjoy seeing true, the Brazilian tapir aren’t perceived as exotic as their dichromatic Malayan counterparts; and there’s no monkey species planned to rival Mandrill and Hamadryas baboon. Due to the public criticism of Adelaide’s sea lion pool, their loss from the collection is arguably beneficial.
 
@Zoofan15

Thanks too for explaining more about how Zoos SA sees their facilities trajectories in terms of reasoning and basis in known research proven about what average visitors want to experience with their local zoos and other animal husbandry facilities (and of course the value we all relate to and endorse with all our might, what's best for the animals, + conservation based priority).

With their dated Sea-Lion holding area its understandable the phase out (would like to think they could create a very large new Sea-Lion living space given the species strong local connection to ocean and coasts of the state but the decision is obviously made with best intentions for welfare of Sea-Lions and limited enclosed space of Adelaide Zoo's site grounds of a modest 9 hectares).

Sometimes wonder if Zoos South Australia when finances are at their peak best might ever look into the idea of establishing a modest (but large aquarium tanks and pool-enclosure water volume and square and cubed feet wise) oceanarium in coastal Adelaide with a world class Australian Sea-Lion habitat. Cant speak for Adelaidians and other South Australians but if an oceanarium was feasible and perhaps wanted by a large number of citizens there, it could be a major project that could actually work and be another positive educational and conservational facility popular with people as a place to go and experience in the greater Adelaide area.

Probably another 'pie-in-the-sky' idea, but thought we all float ideas on here (99.9% of them are fantastic and very creatively though out. Pardon the pun with float while talking about a water inhabiting animal facility lol). Remember thinking when (northern Sydney's) Oceanworld Manly finally closed its doors over the summer of '17-'18 and the clear fact that it had stood for 50+ years, however was by then a subsidiary of Sydney Aquarium/SEALIFE, it came to mind that Adelaide did not have a major oceanarium or even a smaller one to personal knowledge. Brisbane by-proxy has Mooloolaba and even SeaWorld within day-visit distance, and Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland and Perth have their SEALIFEs and AQWA respectively (+ Sydney Zoo's aquarium complex for Sydneysiders too).
 
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@Zoofan15

Thanks too for explaining more about how Zoos SA sees their facilities trajectories in terms of reasoning and basis in known research proven about what average visitors want to experience with their local zoos and other animal husbandry facilities (and of course the value we all relate to and endorse with all our might, what's best for the animals, + conservation based priority).

With their dated Sea-Lion holding area its understandable the phase out (would like to think they could create a very large new Sea-Lion living space given the species strong local connection to ocean and coasts of the state but the decision is obviously made with best intentions for welfare of Sea-Lions and limited enclosed space of Adelaide Zoo's site grounds of a modest 9 hectares).

Sometimes wonder if Zoos South Australia when finances are at their peak best might ever look into the idea of establishing a modest (but large aquarium tanks and pool-enclosure water volume and square and cubed feet wise) oceanarium in coastal Adelaide with a world class Australian Sea-Lion habitat. Cant speak for Adelaidians and other South Australians but if an oceanarium was feasible and perhaps wanted by a large number of citizens there, it could be a major project that could actually work and be another positive educational and conservational facility popular with people as a place to go and experience in the greater Adelaide area.

Probably another 'pie-in-the-sky' idea, but thought we all float ideas on here (99.9% of them are fantastic and very creatively though out. Pardon the pun with float while talking about a water inhabiting animal facility lol). Remember thinking when (northern Sydney's) Oceanworld Manly finally closed its doors over the summer of '17-'18 and the clear fact that it had stood for 50+ years, however was by then a subsidiary of Sydney Aquarium/SEALIFE, it came to mind that Adelaide did not have a major oceanarium or even a smaller one to personal knowledge. Brisbane by-proxy has Mooloolaba and even SeaWorld within day-visit distance, and Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland and Perth have their SEALIFEs and AQWA respectively (+ Sydney Zoo's aquarium complex for Sydneysiders too).

It will be sad to see Adelaide Zoo phase out sea lions, but we can all agreed their exhibit is outdated and no longer fit for purpose. Auckland Zoo found themselves in a similar dilemma as they neared the end of the 1990’s. Their sea lion pool (originally built in 1922) to house New Zealand fur seals) was barely adequate for waterfowl; let alone their colony of California sea lions. They upgraded to a state of the art exhibit with underwater viewing, which only now has reached the stage where renewal is required. The zoo have unfortunately made the decision to phase out the exhibit; with the cost of replacing the supporting infrastructure (i.e. pumps and filtration) otherwise required to ensure its continued function. Unlike Melbourne, which opened a comparable exhibit to Auckland’s in 2009; Adelaide Zoo opted not to renew their pinniped accomodation and clearly have no plans to do so.

On that note, I think your idea of Zoos SA adding an aquarium to their portfolio is an excellent idea. It’s clear an aquarium in Adelaide would fill a void in the tourism market given there isn’t one at present; and if it could incorporate pinnipeds, as is done at Mooloolaba, all the better. Aquariums (albeit small ones) used to be common in zoos, but many have phased them out. Auckland Zoo used to have an aquarium; as did Taronga Zoo, but both Auckland and Sydney have major aquariums within the city and due to space limitations, would be unable to replicate anything on that scale.

It’s no coincidence that all the region’s main aquariums are all harbourside based. One of the many challenges here would be securing land within Adelaide that’s adjacent to the Southern Ocean.
 
@Zoofan15 , where does it state on the masterplan about Malayan Tapir, just wondering, could you attach the masterplan

It's the Adelaide Zoo masterplan ammendum from 2023 - see page 9;

https://www.zoossa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/AZ_masterplan_addendum_2023.pdf

Like I said, I’d be taking the inclusion of Dusky langur and Malayan tapir in Adelaide’s masterplan with a pinch of salt as neither population is viable and the latter certainly isn’t a focus species within the region (there’s nothing to suggest the langurs are either).

The masterplan also features sun bears, which aren’t a realistic addition in the current state.

https://www.zoossa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/AZ_masterplan_addendum_2023.pdf
 
id love to see them import a 2:2 grouping of duskies and start again. If they are to be getting Francois they would have to import at this point. I dont think Taronga have the numbers.
Unless an import is in the works and this is why Taronga have halted breeding.

Either way the exhibit is a great exhibit, hopefully a langur species will be utilised for it once the old ones die out.
With the ageing remaining female Malayan Tapir, it's possible they'll look at replacing her with Brazilian Tapir. That would give the opportunity to pair them with a South American primate species. Spider Monkey (a species Adelaide does not currently have) would be ideal. But I wouldn't be surprised if they went with a group of Squirrel Monkeys. At least they could throw Capybara/Mara into the mix as well.

Another option for the exhibit is to go the African Rainforest direction and utilise the exhibit as a mixed species enclosure for Pygmy Hippo and Black and White Colobus. Adelaide's masterplan notably doesn't include a designated 'African Rainforest' zone.
 
With the ageing remaining female Malayan Tapir, it's possible they'll look at replacing her with Brazilian Tapir. That would give the opportunity to pair them with a South American primate species. Spider Monkey (a species Adelaide does not currently have) would be ideal. But I wouldn't be surprised if they went with a group of Squirrel Monkeys. At least they could throw Capybara/Mara into the mix as well.

Another option for the exhibit is to go the African Rainforest direction and utilise the exhibit as a mixed species enclosure for Pygmy Hippo and Black and White Colobus. Adelaide's masterplan notably doesn't include a designated 'African Rainforest' zone.

Black-handed spider monkey are a robust primate species that pairs well with Brazilian tapir. It would come as no surprise to see them join the tapir in the current Malayan tapir exhibit long term.

Adelaide has three tapir across three exhibits, so of all the holders, I’d expect them to breed and retain at least one offspring into adulthood regardless of the interest that emerges from new holders, which would enable offspring to transfer out/new breeding recommendations to be given.
 
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