Edinburgh Zoo Giant pandas coming to Edinburgh zoo?

that timescale was what i believed was always the plan - this was never seen as a short term project - the aim has always been to have them in place for the centenary of the Zoo in 2013
 
does anyone know where the pandas are likely to be housed? Presumably it will be a major development should it go ahead? Any rumour/facts about what would give-way for these guys??
 
The pncilled in most likely is a redevelopment of Whitson Wood where the goral are at the moment. Whatever and where a panda enclosure would look like and be, the sun bear enclosure following on from Budongo and living links gives some idea as to the standard that will be aimed for in any new enclosure!
 
Pandas head for Scotland - but it's not in black and white yet - Scotsman.com News
11 December 2010

EDINBURGH Zoo is preparing for Scotland's first ever pair of giant pandas to arrive in September. The rare bears will be the first to be homed in the UK for 30 years.

Negotiations to bring a couple of the endangered animals to Scotland have been ongoing for some time. Zoo officials now believe they will be housing the bears by next autumn.

Final paperwork is still to be completed and can only be signed by either the president or prime minister of China.

Because the animals can only be a gift from the country, a diplomatic ceremony must be arranged between the Chinese and UK governments. However, the zoo is making preparations for the bears this autumn.

Iain Valentine, director of animals, education and conservation at Edinburgh Zoo, has been working on acquiring giant pandas for four years. Mr Valentine, who previously worked at zoos in Blackpool and Ecuador, described the creatures as an "enduring fossil". He added: "To have giant pandas puts us in the premier league of zoos."

Just four zoos in America, two in Europe and one each in Australia, Japan and Thailand have the creatures. The UK has not had a giant panda since London sent theirs for breeding in the 1980s.

The pair of pandas will be the most northerly giant pandas to have been kept, but Mr Valentine is confident Scotland will provide a good environment as the bears have a thick coat designed for cold conditions.

Outgoing chief executive of the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland (RZSS), David Windmill, said: "We think on the basis of the information we have the it could be September next year."

RZSS president John Spence, said: "We are preparing the zoo for their arrival in September, but it could be March 2012. If it's the following March then it's March, but we will be ready in September."

Acquiring giant pandas from China requires careful diplomacy and politics. In September, First Minister Alex Salmond wrote to Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi regarding the subject of loaning the bears. Prime Minister David Cameron is understood to have discussed the plan while on a visit to the country this year. A spokesman for the zoo said the board did not want to comment on whether attendance of the Nobel Peace prize by Brits would affect the deal.

The zoo has plans to create a ten-acre bamboo plantation to feed the bears who could be at the zoo for a decade. It is hoped the pandas would help attract tourists, who do not tend to visit the zoo.

Mr Valentine said Adelaide Zoo in Australia had seen visitor numbers soar from 400,000 annually to a million in just a year
 
Giant pandas are almost becoming ubiquitous in world zoos, aren't they? They're in 14 zoos outside the People's Republic of China now, with Edinburgh, River Safari and Toronto all set to join the club in the next couple of years. Oakland keeps working on it, but doesn't seem to be getting closer.

I wonder how many zoos can hold them before the mystique for international tourists begins to wear off and the Chinese Government's golden goose is cooked?
 
I would love to see them be treated as a 'normal' animal with international breeding programmes independent of the Chinese, I think it would be good for the species and good for the zoo-going public.
 
Giant pandas are almost becoming ubiquitous in world zoos, aren't they? They're in 14 zoos outside the People's Republic of China now, with Edinburgh, River Safari and Toronto all set to join the club in the next couple of years. Oakland keeps working on it, but doesn't seem to be getting closer.

I wonder how many zoos can hold them before the mystique for international tourists begins to wear off and the Chinese Government's golden goose is cooked?

I agree with what you have said, I think if they do cook the their golden goose with their Panda's then Golden Monkeys will then be the order of the day ;)
 
I agree with what you have said, I think if they do cook the their golden goose with their Panda's then Golden Monkeys will then be the order of the day ;)

I guarantee you that golden monkeys will never have 1% of the cachet that giant pandas have, for the simple reason that for 99% of people one type of monkey is the same as any other.*











Disclaimer: if Disney or Pixar decide to make a movie about golden monkeys, all bets are off.
 
I guarantee you that golden monkeys will never have 1% of the cachet that giant pandas have, for the simple reason that for 99% of people one type of monkey is the same as any other.*


I was joking :D & yes I agree to most people monkeys are monkeys ;)
 
I was joking :D & yes I agree to most people monkeys are monkeys ;)

Fair enough. :)

And believe it or not, I missed that giant pandas will be returning to Ueno Zoo in Japan next year. And of course Wellington are after pandas.
 
Hmmm thats odd if there have not been any pandas in the UK since the 80's how come I've got photo's of pandas at ZSL in the early 90's :rolleyes:
was in Ann ann and Bao Bao, it would have been about 1993 -94 time I was a trainee keeper at penscynor wildlife park at the time, I was only earning £27 a week and I still went off on a mission to see them :)

I wonder how many keepers will be forming an orderly que to work with them at Edinburgh :)
 
I think the article must be referring to Chia Chia who left the Zoo for Mexico for breeding in 1988. It does seems strange they have apparently overlooked Ming Ming (at London from 1991 to 1994 and now back in China) and Bao Bao (at London from 1991 to 1993 for a failed breeding attempt with Ming Ming before going back to Berlin).
 

'Only two zoos in Europe'? Unless I've missed something (and Zootierliste would suggest not), Vienna, Madrid and Berlin makes three.

Why is it so hard for press releases to get these things right? These are high-profile animals in big, capital city zoos - it's not like trying to find how many weird little zoos have Engelbert's Slightly-greenish Cave Mouse*.




*May not be an actual animal.
 
'Only two zoos in Europe'? Unless I've missed something (and Zootierliste would suggest not), Vienna, Madrid and Berlin makes three.

Why is it so hard for press releases to get these things right? These are high-profile animals in big, capital city zoos - it's not like trying to find how many weird little zoos have Engelbert's Slightly-greenish Cave Mouse*.




*May not be an actual animal.

They also missed the fact that there are giant pandas in two zoos in Mexico, two rather than one in Japan and also in Taiwan.

Also - I'm sure that Pilzen Zoo has Engelbert's Slightly-greenish Cave Mice. Although ISIS claims they have the Slightly-reddish subspecies instead.
 
Also - I'm sure that Pilzen Zoo has Engelbert's Slightly-greenish Cave Mice. Although ISIS claims they have the Slightly-reddish subspecies instead.

Knowing Plzen, they've probably got both!
 
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