Adelaide Zoo Giant Pandas for Adelaide

I would like to see them atleast once in my life but i would much prefer to see gorilla's or gibbons
 
panda bears (yes, join my movement to correctly reattach the "bear" at the end) are very cute, there is no denying that. but they are relatively sleepy animals and actually don't hold a huge amount of interest for me. i find watching elephants or apes much more fascinating.

definately worth checking out, but i've seen them before so you won't catch me jumping on a plane to adelaide in two years time..

i think its a case of once you've seen before you sorta loose interest in all the fuss. and this seems to be reflected in zoo attendences with other zoos overseas with pandas. it picks up again when a baby is born, but over 10 years it far from balances itself out...

its a 100% a prestige thing.
 
even if the panda bears (:p) dont attract the long term visitor increase that the zoo predicts it would still be a cool thing for the zoo to say its the only one in Australia to get pandas (so far!). sort of like a badge of honour or a bragging card at zoo functions:p
 
yeah, until taronga nd melbourne zoos point out that at least they have ye old zoo staples - giraffes, gorillas and elephants!!! ;)
 
patrick said:
i've been quietly expecting this for some time.... though the supprise comes in that it was adelaide and not melbourne or taronga zoos. bigger profile zoos (especially taronga) in bigger cities with more international and domestic tourists.

the silly thing is, if they are still commanding the $10 million price tag - i'm guessing these animals will gobble up an aweful lot of money and resources from adelaide zoo that could have otherwise be better spent on program species in the region.

the big question is - will it boost tourism to adelaide so much that they pay their way?
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Don’t worry about it mate, I understand that the Director and CEO of ZSA are very savvy managers and wouldn’t have compromised the zoo in any way, It’s a great achievement.
 
thanks 'mate',

but did you realise there are others cities in the world with much higher populations than adelaide that are finding in increasingly difficult to afford the price-tag associated with renting pandas for their zoos. and that includes the world's most famous zoo, san diego....

so rather than be patronising, how bout you explain why you think the panda-renting scheme at adealide will be any more profitable than any other zoo in the world currently under a similar agreement?
 
1. adelaide isnt paying

i beleive think with all other panda imports, that there will be a major initial boost in numbers of visitors to the zoo, followed by a normal level of attendenece.

no doubt adelaide will make money out of souviners, etc, especially animal sponsership, but as pat u say, the vibe and hive about pandas will not last 10 years, more so i beleive 10 months.
 
Surely their not going to keep the Panda Bears purley for the boost in zoo visitors but more for the conservation benifit on the species:p
 
patrick said:
thanks 'mate',

but did you realise there are others cities in the world with much higher populations than adelaide that are finding in increasingly difficult to afford the price-tag associated with renting pandas for their zoos. and that includes the world's most famous zoo, san diego....

so rather than be patronising, how bout you explain why you think the panda-renting scheme at adealide will be any more profitable than any other zoo in the world currently under a similar agreement?
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Hi Patrick,
Sorry I didn’t mean to be rude, just joined and didn’t realize the "rules". It seems that the Feds are paying, which enables the zoo to focus on what it does best, conservation. This is serious conservation collaboration with AZ and Wolong Centre. AZ wouldn’t have entered into this if they had to pay a fee of any kind. No Australian Zoo could afford that. The Thai, Austrian and Japanese governments paid the fees for their countries Pandas....... or so the story goes. More revenue means they can work with more native species programs which they are heavily involved with. They have just brought in 14 pouch young of Black-flanked Rock-wallaby, SA’s most endangered mammal.

Oldy
 
I can assure you, seeing photos or film of Giant Pandas is more interesting than the real thing... unlwess you happen to be around at feeding time. Otherwise its mostly sleep,sleep, sleep.

But I know zoo-goers the World over always want to see any high profile species for themselves 'in the flesh' and I'm no different...
 
Oldy said:
They have just brought in 14 pouch young of Black-flanked Rock-wallaby, SA’s most endangered mammal.

Oldy
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And gosh is the baby that is being handraised cute like a really really dark tammar.
 
i dont think its much of a surprise that A credible zoo at least experienced with bears got the giant pandas granted to them. as i said about the gold coast dream, its a big jump from wallabies and echidnas to dealing with one of the worlds most endangered and exotic animals.
now we just have to wait and see if it happens, and hope it turns out. just a zoobeat behavioural things or two...taronga and melbourne rivalry always seems to equal glyn and pat having a state of origin type battle, critics of dubbo zoo always result in zooboy defending dubbo, outlandish and stupid comments are always tempered by zoopro, all discussions inevitably end back at elephants (see i jst said elephant on a giant panda thread) and so far every time we talk about giant pandas it get nasty.
peace out peoples haha
 
if i was A GIANT PANDA id rather live in south australia so i didnt have to wear fake tan and get fake boobs to fit in on the gold coast
 
How does a thead about one of the cutiest animals turn nasty?

I hope they get them, but it would be much better if the chinese government would review the loan agreement (a lower cost) or just for zoo's that already have them like san diego so they keep their proud tradition.
 
glyn said:
just a zoobeat behavioural things or two...
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ha ha. ain't that the truth.

like most of us i found it very unlikely that currumbin were ever to get their pandas, especially now that adelaide has already secured themselves some.
i find it hilarious that they unashamedly turn to paying out on adelaide and saying people would rather go to the gold coast. in all my life i have not met one single person who hasn't said the gold coast is a major s***hole!!!

and currumbin is a private business too! i just think they were way kidding themselves...

i don't much care if the zoo or the federal government pays the money, its an aweful lot for simply a bit of prestige.

personally, i'm much more concerned with the state of the rainforest in indonesia than i am with preserving the panda. because the panda already has a huge profile. their is also obviously a massive initiative WITHIN china to breed captive pandas. therfore the problem to me is that teh panda needs more habitat, and thats up to the chinese government to take care of.

does anyone else think it seems odd that people rent pandas of the chinese government in the name of conservation when it is the government themselves that are in charge of conserving it?

now i'm not saying the that the chinese should start giving away pandas to zoos again either, that's of even littler benefit, but (and feel free to correct me here) isn't the giant panda at one of those points now where the only thing holding it back is lack of habitat?
 
patrick said:
and currumbin is a private business too! i just think they were way kidding themselves...
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Just remember adelaide isnt government, nor is it private, its a board run zoo - and as far as i am concerned that makes it a private zoo - even if no ones makes a profit!

Would you be saying that if mogo were to get them, a zoo with lots of experince in carnivores aswell?
 
As f I know the remaining Panda habitat is actually overcrowed with the animals. So Pat you are right, what they really need is more habitat. Nor do the Chinese govt\. seem to have trouble breeding their captiove bears.
This would be great oppurtunity to showcase some of the other animals that live in the Pandas habitat. After all there must be something else living in those forsts and I could probably guarentee that many of them are endangered as well.
 
yes as ben said adelaide is private, so is currumbin, the big difference is that currumbin would have been paying it all it self, were as adlaide is reciving govt help! adealdie is paying from what i see is it as is keeping costs, and eeding, not exhibit, and not tyhe loan fees, currumbin would have been paying those!
 
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