taun
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I mean't Tywcroos would be the best place in the UK to acquire Agile Gibbons and that they need to update their Gibbon enclosures but this would only happen if they moved some on first.
Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre Golden cheeked gibbons - Nomascus gabriellae
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I mean't Tywcroos would be the best place in the UK to acquire Agile Gibbons and that they need to update their Gibbon enclosures but this would only happen if they moved some on first.
Maybe Kitty could go to Chester and enjoy dive-bombing Budi & Utara.
taun
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Thanks for the update.
From reading this thread- and this is just speculative- I would imagine the 'GC' Gibbons are under a shared ownership of the relevant government or foreign institution(Pingtung rescue centre?) who 'loaned' them to Monkeyworld for conservation/breeding purposes. Therefore its unlikely they would be sent out to other zoos/wildlife parks in this country. Particularly ones which have not had experience keeping gibbons previously.
Sending a few surplus ringtailed lemurs owned by Monkeyworld, to the new Yorkshire Park is very different from parting with any of a rarer/endangered species, particularly if they are held under a loan agreement in the first place which might well stipulate certain conditions as to what should happen to any offspring etc.
Sending a few surplus ringtailed lemurs owned by Monkeyworld, to the new Yorkshire Park is very different from parting with any of a rarer/endangered species, particularly if they are held under a loan agreement in the first place which might well stipulate certain conditions as to what should happen to any offspring etc.
taun
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Sounds about right, with the only Gibbons leaving being those that are being partly released into the wild.
taun
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Its a shame really, because this animals are included in the breeding programs when they will not take part at all
taun
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You didn't quite understand what I was on about there. These animals are registered in the Studbook, yet their genes will not play any part in the European captive population.
Doesn't matter if they breed out there, because with limited individuals, shortage of suitable habitat to release and them being used to humans means that the project my take decades to actually be of value.
Plus, if they go back to Asia, few of us Europeans will be able to see 'em unless we go on holiday to 'Nam. The population we've got (owned by zoos in Europe-I think) is so small that we could really do with keeping the ones from Monkey World and adding them to the wider captive genepool.
I did also wonder about what Monkey World is doing out East-surely not every GCG can be returned to the wild (ie, those too injured or used to captivity), in which case, why not bring them here too?
Just my crazed thoughts/opinions
I did also wonder about what Monkey World is doing out East-surely not every GCG can be returned to the wild (ie, those too injured or used to captivity), in which case, why not bring them here too?
Just my crazed thoughts/opinions
taun
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Plus, if they go back to Asia, few of us Europeans will be able to see 'em unless we go on holiday to 'Nam. The population we've got (owned by zoos in Europe-I think) is so small that we could really do with keeping the ones from Monkey World and adding them to the wider captive genepool.
I did also wonder about what Monkey World is doing out East-surely not every GCG can be returned to the wild (ie, those too injured or used to captivity), in which case, why not bring them here too?
Just my crazed thoughts/opinions
Some of the sub-species could do with the injection of new blood, and the ones at monkey world are very valuable to the EEP and one or two are paired with animals breed in the EEP!
I don`t think the fact that monkey world`s gibbons are on loan and still owned by the Taiwanese (or Vietnamese?) government is the main problem that prevents them from going to other zoos for breeding - if you look at how other breeding programs for species whose individuals are still owned by their country of origin work, the "ownership" is rather symbolic and the zoos that got them on loan can freely decide what to do with them and the offspring. I know that for serveral species, the "owners" don`t have any interest in the animals at all and don`t want them back - because they didn`t have the space to house them properly in the first place which is why the animals were sent abroad..
I`d be very surprised if it were different in the case of the gibbons. I am very sure it`s Monkey world who decides and if they don`t sent gibbons or orang utans to other zoos, it`s because they "ethically" prefer to send them back to the wild. I am not against bringing zoo animals of endangered species back to the wild, but this must be very carefully planned and it must be secured that there is a protected habitat for them, and in case of gibbons and orang utans, there are already way too many orphans in Asia who need to be brought back to the wild!
I`d be very surprised if it were different in the case of the gibbons. I am very sure it`s Monkey world who decides and if they don`t sent gibbons or orang utans to other zoos, it`s because they "ethically" prefer to send them back to the wild. I am not against bringing zoo animals of endangered species back to the wild, but this must be very carefully planned and it must be secured that there is a protected habitat for them, and in case of gibbons and orang utans, there are already way too many orphans in Asia who need to be brought back to the wild!