Gomphothere's Zoo Design Thread

One more thing, are any of the Comoros endemic birds going to be left out, and also, are you going to include both of the Comoros endemic bat species as well as the endemic subspecies?
As for the bats, there are two endemic species and two endemic subspecies in the Comoros, and my plans as of now are to include them all.
I am just finishing up my work on deciding on mammal species and establishing their ranges and habitats as a basis for exhibit design. The birds are next. I am not currently planning on leaving any of the Comoros endemic birds out since none is critically endangered, but I may change my mind as I gather more details.
 
Thanks, by the way, I thought of a couple of ideas you might like to add in the zoo:
1. Paludariums: They are a great way to exhibit aquatic and terrestrial life together. Small reptiles and amphibians could be displayed with small fish in certain parts of the zoo. Personally, I’d enjoy this very much.
2. Free Flight Birds & Open-Topped Tanks: Some aquariums have made areas with open topped tanks and free flight birds. The Tennessee Aquarium is good example of this, they have an exhibit with large open topped tanks, which also housed a few birds that fly around.
3. A Little More Invertebrate Space: As you move into more biodiverse areas, more invertebrate species will be options for exhibition, more space for more invertebrates would certainly be a cool thing. On a related note, butterflies will soon be popping up in upcoming areas. To exhibit them, you would need some space for a large enough area for them to fly around. One idea is that you could make butterfly walkthroughs, as well as housing then with hummingbirds.
4. A Question About Subterranean Mammals: Will you be exhibiting moles, golden moles, and marsupial moles. I do know it has been done with moles and golden moles (though not for as log as moles), I will assume that there is some way you could keep these, especially considering the fact that you are keeping tuco-tucos.
1. Hadn't thought about it, but am familiar with the idea--the Bronx Zoo has one in Jungle World (the Asia building) that at least at some times has had fish and turtles in the water and a snake above. There might also be one in the Congo Gorilla Forest building but I forget. I am just not as familiar with fish as I am with other vertebrates, and the internet available sources often don't provide near as much information for many species as you usually can find for other vertebrates, so it takes more research time to satisfy myself that I'm picking appropriate species.
2. I have something like this as the Mangrove Lagoon Exhibit in the Galapagos, with Green Sea Turtles in the water and an aviary of flamingos, waterfowl, passerines and a few other birds. This requires viewing from more than one level to be effective.
3. My bioregions to date have all been polar, tundra or temperate (and much of temperate South America is actually subpolar or montane), which have more limited invertebrate fauna because of temperatures. A tropical bioregion, like Madagascar, could easily display more invertebrates than vertebrates.
4. Am currently planning on it since I didn't shy away from the tuco-tucos.
 
I have a couple of questions, and also something that I plan on working on that might help you out. Are harp seals going to be in the North Atlantic Aquarium? What section will Bioko be represented in? Where will São Tomé and Principe be represented? One last question, where will the Canary Islands be represented? I would like to inform you that I am going to work on a list of animals from a book that I haven Madagascar fauna, it has a couple of more obscure species, and I figured that since I ask all these questions I may as well give you a little assistance.
 
- Harp seals- yes.
- Bioko: is part of the Cross-Sanaga-Bioko coastal forest ecoregion: Cross–Sanaga–Bioko coastal forests - Wikipedia
Cross-Sanaga-Bioko Coastal Forests | One Earth
Don't know yet, but I expect there would be a Central African coastal forest area that would include this. Ant that might well also include Sao Tome & Principe & Annobon, which are there own ecoregion: São Tomé, Príncipe, and Annobón forests - Wikipedia
São Tomé, Príncipe, and Annobón Forests | One Earth
- The Canary Islands are split between two ecoregions, both of which are part of a group of northwest Africa Mediterranean climate dry woodland and scrub areas. There might actually be an African south Mediterranean woodland dry scrub bioregion encompassing a number of the north African ecoregions that aren't desert.
- And thanks for the help!
 
- Harp seals- yes.
- Bioko: is part of the Cross-Sanaga-Bioko coastal forest ecoregion: Cross–Sanaga–Bioko coastal forests - Wikipedia
Cross-Sanaga-Bioko Coastal Forests | One Earth
Don't know yet, but I expect there would be a Central African coastal forest area that would include this. Ant that might well also include Sao Tome & Principe & Annobon, which are there own ecoregion: São Tomé, Príncipe, and Annobón forests - Wikipedia
São Tomé, Príncipe, and Annobón Forests | One Earth
- The Canary Islands are split between two ecoregions, both of which are part of a group of northwest Africa Mediterranean climate dry woodland and scrub areas. There might actually be an African south Mediterranean woodland dry scrub bioregion encompassing a number of the north African ecoregions that aren't desert.
- And thanks for the help!
No problem, the list may take me longer than I anticipated, but I will get it done ASAP

Another link you might like: Design a Zoo
 
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Will harbor seals be in the North Atlantic Aquarium? Also, the list is in progress.
Two subspecies in the North Atlantic and one (maybe two) in the North Pacific. Also, there is a fresh water population in the Alaska Coast & Islands bioregion. There is another such population in northern Quebec but probably too small (less than 100) to allow taking any for exhibition, even in a fantasy world.
 
Before you read this, I will tell you that I didn't include all the animals listed in this book, as some are much more obvious than others. Some I listed by scientific name, even if they did have common names, just because their common names could lead to some amounts of confusion, and I wanted to keep it as confusion-free as possible. I have questions about a few of the species, those will be in bold, if it is not too much trouble, could you answer them? I also have a few links for you :) Anyway, without further adieu, here it is:


Links: Fauna of Madagascar - Wikipedia, List of birds of Madagascar - Wikipedia, Paroedura - Wikipedia, Oplurus - Wikipedia, List of reptiles in Madagascar - Wikipedia,


Mammals: Andringitra Ring-Tailed Lemur Ecotype (Are there any other lemur species/subspecies you are not including? Other than those you mentioned previously, of course.), Coquerel’s Sifaka, Crowned Lemur, Large-Eared Tenrec, Red Forest Rat A.K.A Island Mouse, Macrotarsomys bastardi, Madagascar Flying Fox, Madagascar Red Trident Bat, Madagascar Mouse Eared Bat, Commerson's Leaf-Nosed Bat, Durrel’s Vontsira, Narrow-Striped Mongoose, Broad-Striped Malagasy Mongoose, Grandidier’s Mongoose, Brown-Tailed Mongoose, Eastern Falanouc, Western Falanouc (I will assume that you are going to include the other malagasy carnivorans), Madagascar Giant Jumping Rat


Birds: Madagascar Crested Ibis, Madagascar Malachite Kingfisher, Madagascar Blue Pigeon, Amber Mountain Rock-Thrush, Madagascar Magpie-Robin, Cuckoo-Roller, Pitta-Like Ground Roller, Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher (What subspecies will you include?), Souimanga Sunbird, Crested Drongo, White-Throated Rail, White-Throated Oxylabes, Spectacled Greenbul, Hook-Billed Vanga, Dark Newtonia (Are you classifying dark newtonias as two species or one species with two subspecies?), Helmeted Vanga, Bernier’s vanga, Red-tailed Vanga, Velvet Asity, Common Sunbird Asity, Yellow-Bellied Sunbird Asity, Short-Legged Ground Roller, Scaly Ground Roller, Rufous-Headed Ground Roller, Blue Coua, Red-Fronted Coua, Red-Breasted Coua, Madagascar Serpent Eagle, Madagascar Red Owl, Nuthatch Vanga, Madagascar Wood Rail, Madagascar Bulbul, Madagascar Pratincole, Dimorphic Egret (What taxonomic classification are you using for these? Also, will you include both morphs?), White-Headed Vanga, Tylas Vanga, Madagascar Long-Eared owl, Cryptic Warbler, Collared Nightjar, Pollen’s Vanga, Brown Mesite, Henst’s Goshawk, Madagascar Flufftail, Slender-Billed Flufftail, Forest Rock-Thrush, Common Jery, Green Jery, White-Breasted Mesite, Madagascar Scops Owl, Madagascar Harrier Hawk, Hook-Billed Vangas, Crested Coua, Coquerel’s Coua, Rufous Vanga, Madagascar Fish Eagle, Red-capped Coua, Sickle-Billed Vanga, Van Dam’s Vanga, Greater Vasa Parrot, Lesser Vasa Parrot, Madagascar/Grey-Headed Lovebird, Chabet’s Vanga, Banded Kestrel, Blue Vanga, White-Browed Owl, Giant Coua, Ashy Cuckoo Shrike, Madagascar Sparrowhawk, Frances’ Sparrowhawk, Long-Tailed Ground Roller, Sub-Desert Mesite, Lafresnaye’s Vanga , Archbold’s Newtonia, Thamnornis Warbler, Sub-Desert Brush Warbler, Olive-capped Coua, Banded Kestrel, Madagascar Plover, Benson’s Rock Thrush, Madagascar Coucal, Madagascar Wagtail, Madagascar Hoopoe, Appert’s Greenbul, Red-Shouldered Vanga, Chabert’s Vanga, Blue Vanga, Crossley’s Babbler, Ward’s Flycatcher, Common Newtonia, Red-Tailed Newtonia, Sakalava Rail (I know these are a rare and recently rediscovered species, are you including them?), Torotoroka Scops Owl


Reptiles: Madagascar Tree Boa, Calumma boettgeri, Panther Chameleon, Brookesia peyrierasi, Brookesia decaryi, Brookesia stumpfii, Uroplatus sikorae, Uroplatus ebenaui, Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis, Phelsuma lineata dorsivittata, Uroplatus fimbriatus, Uroplatus phantasticus, Uroplatus lineatus, Calumma cucullatum, Zonosaurus madagascariensis, Zonosaurus byrooi, Parson’s Chameleon (Are you including both subspecies?), Brookesia superciliaris, Uroplatus sikorae, Calumma brevicorne, Phelsuma quadriocellata, Boophis sp., Mantidactylus sp., Oustalet’s Chameleon, Uroplatus henkeli, Furcifer minor, Paroedura sp. (Out of the many species, which one are you including? All of them, perhaps?), Madagascar Ground Boa, Brookesia perarmata, Uroplatus guentheri, Paroedura picta, Paroedura bastardi, Oplurus sp. (What species will you be including? Will cuvieri be one of them?), Fish-Scaled gecko (Surely visitors would find the defense mechanism interesting ;)), Madagascan Speckled Hognose Snake, Malagasy Giant Hognose Snake, Blonde Hognose Snake, Madagascar Big-headed Turtle, Nile Crocodile, Fandrefiala, Langaha madagascariensis, Labord’s Chameleon, Phelsuma mutabilis, Dumeril’s Boa, Zonosaurus trilineatus, Androngo trivittatus, Chalarodon madagascariensis, Furcifer verrucosus, Furcifer oustaleti, Calumma nasuta, Brookesia minima, Furcifer willsii, Calumma malthe, Furcifer rhinoceratus, Furcifer antimena, Furcifer bifidus, Brookesia thieli, Paroedura masobe, Uroplatus alluaudi, Zonosaurus laticaudatus, Amphiglossus astrolabi, Amphiglossus sp. (What species will you include?), Stenophis citrinus, Langaha alluaudi, Langaha pseudoalluaudi, Yellow-Bellied Mud Turtle (What subspecies would this be?), East-African Black Mud Turtle/Pan-Hinged Terrapin (ssp. parietalis, the Seychelles subspecies)


Amphibians: Madagascar Tomato Frog, Green-Backed Mantella, Sambava Tomato Frog, Antsouhy Tomato Frog, Golden Mantella, Painted Mantella, Scaphiophryne gottlebei, Scaphiophryne madagascariensis, Mantidactylus corvus, Mantidactylus pulcher, Mantella laevigata, Boophis albilabris, Boophis difficilis, Mantidactylus boulengeri, Heterixalus madagascariensis


Fish (links provided): Native Fish Of Madagascar - WorldAtlas (Will you be having some marine fish of Madagascar?), Freshwater fish of Madagascar


Invertebrates: Borocera cajani, Lixus barbiger, Giraffe-necked weevil, Dinothrombium pandora, Phromnia rosea, Madagascar Hissing Cockroach, Grosphus palpator, Cyligramma disturbans, Chrysiridia rhipheus, Papilio demodocus, Argema mittrei, Nephila madagascariensis, Peucetia madagascariensis, Argiope coquereli, Parectatosoma macquesi


Museum Exhibit Ideas: Horned Crocodile, Elephant Bird, Giant Fossa, Madagascar Hippos, Giant Lemurs, Plesiorycteropus, Recently Extinct Fauna of Madagascar, Mauritius (and the other nearby islands) (Alaotra Little Grebe, Madagascar Pochard, List of African animals extinct in the Holocene - Wikipedia (by using ctrl+f you can find animals from the different islands, the amount of birds is shockingly horrible, many mammals there as well, such as the giant aye-aye, as sad as it is, I still think you may find it interesting)
 
Before you read this, I will tell you that I didn't include all the animals listed in this book, as some are much more obvious than others. Some I listed by scientific name, even if they did have common names, just because their common names could lead to some amounts of confusion, and I wanted to keep it as confusion-free as possible. I have questions about a few of the species, those will be in bold, if it is not too much trouble, could you answer them? I also have a few links for you :) Anyway, without further adieu, here it is:


Links: Fauna of Madagascar - Wikipedia, List of birds of Madagascar - Wikipedia, Paroedura - Wikipedia, Oplurus - Wikipedia, List of reptiles in Madagascar - Wikipedia,


Mammals: Andringitra Ring-Tailed Lemur Ecotype (Are there any other lemur species/subspecies you are not including? Other than those you mentioned previously, of course.), Coquerel’s Sifaka, Crowned Lemur, Large-Eared Tenrec, Red Forest Rat A.K.A Island Mouse, Macrotarsomys bastardi, Madagascar Flying Fox, Madagascar Red Trident Bat, Madagascar Mouse Eared Bat, Commerson's Leaf-Nosed Bat, Durrel’s Vontsira, Narrow-Striped Mongoose, Broad-Striped Malagasy Mongoose, Grandidier’s Mongoose, Brown-Tailed Mongoose, Eastern Falanouc, Western Falanouc (I will assume that you are going to include the other malagasy carnivorans), Madagascar Giant Jumping Rat


Birds: Madagascar Crested Ibis, Madagascar Malachite Kingfisher, Madagascar Blue Pigeon, Amber Mountain Rock-Thrush, Madagascar Magpie-Robin, Cuckoo-Roller, Pitta-Like Ground Roller, Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher (What subspecies will you include?), Souimanga Sunbird, Crested Drongo, White-Throated Rail, White-Throated Oxylabes, Spectacled Greenbul, Hook-Billed Vanga, Dark Newtonia (Are you classifying dark newtonias as two species or one species with two subspecies?), Helmeted Vanga, Bernier’s vanga, Red-tailed Vanga, Velvet Asity, Common Sunbird Asity, Yellow-Bellied Sunbird Asity, Short-Legged Ground Roller, Scaly Ground Roller, Rufous-Headed Ground Roller, Blue Coua, Red-Fronted Coua, Red-Breasted Coua, Madagascar Serpent Eagle, Madagascar Red Owl, Nuthatch Vanga, Madagascar Wood Rail, Madagascar Bulbul, Madagascar Pratincole, Dimorphic Egret (What taxonomic classification are you using for these? Also, will you include both morphs?), White-Headed Vanga, Tylas Vanga, Madagascar Long-Eared owl, Cryptic Warbler, Collared Nightjar, Pollen’s Vanga, Brown Mesite, Henst’s Goshawk, Madagascar Flufftail, Slender-Billed Flufftail, Forest Rock-Thrush, Common Jery, Green Jery, White-Breasted Mesite, Madagascar Scops Owl, Madagascar Harrier Hawk, Hook-Billed Vangas, Crested Coua, Coquerel’s Coua, Rufous Vanga, Madagascar Fish Eagle, Red-capped Coua, Sickle-Billed Vanga, Van Dam’s Vanga, Greater Vasa Parrot, Lesser Vasa Parrot, Madagascar/Grey-Headed Lovebird, Chabet’s Vanga, Banded Kestrel, Blue Vanga, White-Browed Owl, Giant Coua, Ashy Cuckoo Shrike, Madagascar Sparrowhawk, Frances’ Sparrowhawk, Long-Tailed Ground Roller, Sub-Desert Mesite, Lafresnaye’s Vanga , Archbold’s Newtonia, Thamnornis Warbler, Sub-Desert Brush Warbler, Olive-capped Coua, Banded Kestrel, Madagascar Plover, Benson’s Rock Thrush, Madagascar Coucal, Madagascar Wagtail, Madagascar Hoopoe, Appert’s Greenbul, Red-Shouldered Vanga, Chabert’s Vanga, Blue Vanga, Crossley’s Babbler, Ward’s Flycatcher, Common Newtonia, Red-Tailed Newtonia, Sakalava Rail (I know these are a rare and recently rediscovered species, are you including them?), Torotoroka Scops Owl


Reptiles: Madagascar Tree Boa, Calumma boettgeri, Panther Chameleon, Brookesia peyrierasi, Brookesia decaryi, Brookesia stumpfii, Uroplatus sikorae, Uroplatus ebenaui, Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis, Phelsuma lineata dorsivittata, Uroplatus fimbriatus, Uroplatus phantasticus, Uroplatus lineatus, Calumma cucullatum, Zonosaurus madagascariensis, Zonosaurus byrooi, Parson’s Chameleon (Are you including both subspecies?), Brookesia superciliaris, Uroplatus sikorae, Calumma brevicorne, Phelsuma quadriocellata, Boophis sp., Mantidactylus sp., Oustalet’s Chameleon, Uroplatus henkeli, Furcifer minor, Paroedura sp. (Out of the many species, which one are you including? All of them, perhaps?), Madagascar Ground Boa, Brookesia perarmata, Uroplatus guentheri, Paroedura picta, Paroedura bastardi, Oplurus sp. (What species will you be including? Will cuvieri be one of them?), Fish-Scaled gecko (Surely visitors would find the defense mechanism interesting ;)), Madagascan Speckled Hognose Snake, Malagasy Giant Hognose Snake, Blonde Hognose Snake, Madagascar Big-headed Turtle, Nile Crocodile, Fandrefiala, Langaha madagascariensis, Labord’s Chameleon, Phelsuma mutabilis, Dumeril’s Boa, Zonosaurus trilineatus, Androngo trivittatus, Chalarodon madagascariensis, Furcifer verrucosus, Furcifer oustaleti, Calumma nasuta, Brookesia minima, Furcifer willsii, Calumma malthe, Furcifer rhinoceratus, Furcifer antimena, Furcifer bifidus, Brookesia thieli, Paroedura masobe, Uroplatus alluaudi, Zonosaurus laticaudatus, Amphiglossus astrolabi, Amphiglossus sp. (What species will you include?), Stenophis citrinus, Langaha alluaudi, Langaha pseudoalluaudi, Yellow-Bellied Mud Turtle (What subspecies would this be?), East-African Black Mud Turtle/Pan-Hinged Terrapin (ssp. parietalis, the Seychelles subspecies)


Amphibians: Madagascar Tomato Frog, Green-Backed Mantella, Sambava Tomato Frog, Antsouhy Tomato Frog, Golden Mantella, Painted Mantella, Scaphiophryne gottlebei, Scaphiophryne madagascariensis, Mantidactylus corvus, Mantidactylus pulcher, Mantella laevigata, Boophis albilabris, Boophis difficilis, Mantidactylus boulengeri, Heterixalus madagascariensis


Fish (links provided): Native Fish Of Madagascar - WorldAtlas (Will you be having some marine fish of Madagascar?), Freshwater fish of Madagascar


Invertebrates: Borocera cajani, Lixus barbiger, Giraffe-necked weevil, Dinothrombium pandora, Phromnia rosea, Madagascar Hissing Cockroach, Grosphus palpator, Cyligramma disturbans, Chrysiridia rhipheus, Papilio demodocus, Argema mittrei, Nephila madagascariensis, Peucetia madagascariensis, Argiope coquereli, Parectatosoma macquesi


Museum Exhibit Ideas: Horned Crocodile, Elephant Bird, Giant Fossa, Madagascar Hippos, Giant Lemurs, Plesiorycteropus, Recently Extinct Fauna of Madagascar, Mauritius (and the other nearby islands) (Alaotra Little Grebe, Madagascar Pochard, List of African animals extinct in the Holocene - Wikipedia (by using ctrl+f you can find animals from the different islands, the amount of birds is shockingly horrible, many mammals there as well, such as the giant aye-aye, as sad as it is, I still think you may find it interesting)
Are there any species in this list you won’t include?
 
I meant Nosy Be above. Also, forgot to mention loggerhead, hawksbill, olive ridley, green, and leatherback sea turtles.
 
I was thinking a little bit and I came up with a few suggestions you might find interesting:

1. Artificial rain: I know you do artificial snow, so why not artificial rain? This could add some enrichment and naturalism (is that a even a word?) to the exhibits. For walkthrough areas, you could do it in non-visitor hours.
2. Multiple tanks per ecoregion: Instead of doing a tank/alcove per aquatic ecoregion, you could instead do multiple for each, so that certain species that may not be able to be housed with other could be exhibited.
3. Butterfly walkthrough: For certain areas you could add butterfly/moth walkthroughs, Madagascar for instance. These don’t have to be exclusively butterfly/moth areas, though, you could always add other compatible invertebrates, and in certain areas, hummingbirds.
 
Dang. There's a lot here to process, and I'm still recovering from the holidays, hehe. Let me check your list of species against mine first. Nose Be and Nosy Komba will both be included. Haven't decided yet about the sea turtles, but leaning towards leaving them for the aquaria.
 
Here is my tentative list of native mammals too rare to exhibit:

Masoala/Eastern Fork-marked Lemur Phaner furcifer EN not found in the wild since 2004

Lesser Iron-gray Dwarf Lemur Cheirogaleus minusculus known from only a single museum specimen

Lesser Yellow Bat Scotophilus borbonicus Known from Madagasgar and Réunion but not seen since 1868 probably extinct, but status as species not certain.

Northern/Sahafary Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur septentrionalis CR only 50-70 est. individuals remaining

Perrier's Sifaka Propithecus perrieri CR Est. population ~125 mature individuals

Silky Sifaka Propithecus candidus CR estimated population of fewer than 250 individuals

Ellerman's Tufted-tailed Rat Eliurus ellermani Known only from two specimens and taxonomic validity is in question.

White-tipped Tufted-tailed Rat Eliurus penicillatus EN known from only two specimens over 100+years apart 1895/6

Petter's Big-footed Mouse Macrotarsomys petteri known from only a single specimen in 2003

Paulian’s Trident Bat Paratriaenops pauliani only three records since 1911

Seychelles Sheath-tailed Bat Coleura seychellensis CR subsps. nominate (NW Mahé Is. & Praslin Is.) & silhouettae (Silhouette Is.) 50-100 mature individuals
 
I was thinking a little bit and I came up with a few suggestions you might find interesting:

1. Artificial rain: I know you do artificial snow, so why not artificial rain? This could add some enrichment and naturalism (is that a even a word?) to the exhibits. For walkthrough areas, you could do it in non-visitor hours.
2. Multiple tanks per ecoregion: Instead of doing a tank/alcove per aquatic ecoregion, you could instead do multiple for each, so that certain species that may not be able to be housed with other could be exhibited.
3. Butterfly walkthrough: For certain areas you could add butterfly/moth walkthroughs, Madagascar for instance. These don’t have to be exclusively butterfly/moth areas, though, you could always add other compatible invertebrates, and in certain areas, hummingbirds.
What do you think about these ideas? Also, what about the questions in the list? Also, do you have any plans with the Andringitra ring-tailed lemur ecotype? No need to rush a reply, I think we’re all taking a well needed break (sadly this is the evening of my last day of break)
 
Re: Mammals on your list: all will be included except the Andringitra regional population of the Ring-tailed Lemur. See the discussion in Wikipedia stating that the consistent conclusion is that they are within the normal range of species variation.
 
Re: Mammals on your list: all will be included except the Andringitra regional population of the Ring-tailed Lemur. See the discussion in Wikipedia stating that the consistent conclusion is that they are within the normal range of species variation.
Cool, I hope you consider the exhibit ideas I proposed.
 
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