They had the pair that did not breed together then received the 2 new males one of which was paired with Ivy . When I visited Blackpool last year I asked a keeper how the pairing was going and was told signs looked good . Just as with the Gorillas a change of male had the desired effect . Next they need to sort out the Orangs .
Blackpool Zoo Gorilla pregnancy
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They had the pair that did not breed together then received the 2 new males one of which was paired with Ivy . When I visited Blackpool last year I asked a keeper how the pairing was going and was told signs looked good . Just as with the Gorillas a change of male had the desired effect . Next they need to sort out the Orangs .
Thanks for the explanation about the gibbons.
Re. the Orangutans, the remaining male 'Raman' who came from St Petersburg as a small infant is rather underdeveloped and may be sickly(he was when he came). I believe he was also handraised from very young, though in Orangs it doesn't seem to impair their breeding chances to anything like the level it does in Gorillas.
The main problem is that the adult female 'Victoria' probably intimidates him(if they are in fact kept together- Gentle Lemur?). She really needs to be sent elsewhere e.g. Chester for mating so she can have another baby while giving Raman a longer period to mature.
zoogiraffe
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Blackpool also have 2 Pileated Gibbons in the Monkey House so would guess that these are the other 2 males on ISIS.
I looked them up on ISIS and Pileateds are pretty thin on the ground in Zoos generally. In the Uk there is only Blackpool and Twycross plus a pair at Paignton. There is a scattering in European zoos plus a few in America but its hardly a strong zoo population.
When I was at Blackpool two weeks ago, the old female orang Vicky was with her younger daughter outside, the other two were inside for the day. I only got a glimpse of the male (the inside orang enclosures have poor viewing) but he seemed to be developing cheek pads and growing more muscular than I remember from last year.
I saw the baby pileated gibbon and I'm sure the staff will have been able to sex it. The pair are in the small monkey house near the elephants, in the next section to the de Brazza's. The housing is far from ideal, but the pair seem to be getting on very well and the mother is doing a good job.
Alan
I saw the baby pileated gibbon and I'm sure the staff will have been able to sex it. The pair are in the small monkey house near the elephants, in the next section to the de Brazza's. The housing is far from ideal, but the pair seem to be getting on very well and the mother is doing a good job.
Alan
gentle lemur;323106 I only got a glimpse of the male (the inside orang enclosures have poor viewing) but he seemed to be developing cheek pads and growing more muscular than I remember from last year. I saw the baby pileated gibbon and I'm sure the staff will have been able to sex it. [/QUOTE said:
I do hope a change-over in the orang utan group is due soon. If not, a transfer of the female to Chester as suggested for re-breeding.
Great news that the pileated gibbon breeding has started NOW!
Great news that the pileated gibbon breeding has started NOW!
The oldest female 'Victoria' was born at Blackpool (she is named after the hospital there), her mother is Azimat who is now at Dudley. Victoria's two daughters are 'Cherie' (after Tony Blair's wife) and the younger 'Summer.' Without looking at a studbook I can't remember just how old 'Cherie' is now but she's probably more than old enough for breeding too.
Gigit
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Gigit
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Paignton's pair, Ipon and Giava, are thought to be about 33 years old. I don't think they've had any successful births.
They have had a couple of babies in the past but these have died , probably too old now . Is Ipon the male that previously bred at Twycross ?
Are you serious?
Cherie is 13 now. Ramon is 12 in November.
Yep..
Born when Blair came to power. They also had a previous male(father of Cherie & Summer) they called 'Zowie'rolleyes:!!) though later his name was changed to 'Homer' which is probably how he's listed in the studbook.'Victoria' was named after the Hospital if I remember correctly because she was taken there when she was born and they 'saved' her.
Some years later her younger sister 'Hayley', the male 'Zowie/Homer' and a female gorilla 'Lomie' all died within a 48 hour period- there was a big hoohah over that though in fact the deaths were entirely unrelated- just fluke conincidences.
If the male 'Raman' is not breeding now then they perhaps need to exchange him as that's two mature females they have not breeding while the third 'Summer', is eight now so she should really start breeding soon too..
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johnstoni
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The RSCC also hold this species now.
For years Blackpool had a non-breeding pair on one of the islands, alongside a pair of spider monkeys. I assume this is where the large colobus group is now held. It is good to see they have attempted to get and breeding pair which has finally paid off. I wonder where the other males will go, or if a second pair will be created at Blackpool if a female becomes available.
Paignton's male died in 2005, so I would assume the current male may indeed have come from Twycross. As the Twycross male had bred before, this would explain the two births at paignton in 2006 and 2008, however the advanced age of Paignton's female may have contributed to these not surviving?
As mentioned elsewhere on this forum, the male at Paignton that died in 2005 was the ex-pet 'Cosmo' from Penscynor, who was a tame animal, I suspect partially hand-reared as an imported infant in the 1960's. The owners often kept him on a leash. It would not come as a surprise if he didn't mate successfully once at Paignton given his early years. I don't know when he left Penscynor - he was featured in their guidebook as late at 1986, but I didn't see him or any signs for this species when I visited Penscynor that year.
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johnstoni
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Do you know what each animal died of?
I would be very interested in details of the new pair Of Pileated Gibbons at RSCC . Quite possible that they are wild-caught and came from a Far East Rescue Centre .
I saw 'Cosmo' many times over the years at Penscynor , at first on a leash in one of the trees , later on a tiny island . I think he was sent to Paignton some time before the closure of Penscynor , and that he was on his own for some time there . I am not surprised that he did not breed .
Sorry, it was a 72 hour period, not 48..
Female Orangutan 'Hayley'- possible ectopic pregnancy or ruptured bowel.
Male Orangutan 'Homer' possible Air sacculitis, air sac full of pus, but a blood clot was also found in his heart. Initially the zoo said he 'died of a broken heart' after the death of the female-highly unlikely!!
Female Gorilla 'Lomie'- kidney failure/tumour on kidney. Had been in poor health for some while.
The male Orangutan 'Homer' was the only purebred offspring of the original Bornean male 'Joe' at Dudley, with an ex London female 'Kate.' So the two younger females at Blackpool(Cherie & Summer) are Joe's granddaughters.
Was just on zooborns and it says that the baby gorilla born 7th may is a BOY!
Oh dear, yet another male...
For Blackpool Zoo: a true watershed!
Here is hoping something is brewing too with both other female gorillas ...
I was at the zoo at the weekend and there was much mating between the male and one of the females. Despite looking at the mugshots I couldn't work out which female it was. (Not Maliki obviously).