Great Hoof-Stock/Antelope Enclosures/Collection

Arizona Docent said:
The Phoenix Zoo used to have a great sitatunga exhibit with a stream flowing through it. Now it has chacoan peccary I think?
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This exhibit now holds rheas, not sure where the Chacoan peccaries have gone.

Arizona Docent said:
Reid Park Zoo used to have greater kudu and nyala together. Then for a while we just had the nyala. They were shipped to San Diego Safari Park when we moved the rhino into their yard.
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Back in my youth, the Reid Park Zoo had nilgai and blackbuck in what is now the Grevy's zebra yard.

Arizona Docent said:
As for San Diego Horn and Hoof Mesa, I always thought it would make more sense for them to focus their antelope collection at the Safari Park and smaller animals at the zoo. Of course, the variety of hoofstock at the Safari Park has gone way down too, so it is really a bummer for people like Ungulate Nerd. I was at the Safari Park two days ago and they do not even have zebras in the field anymore. It is just nothing like what it used to be.
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The WAP didn't actually lose too many African species. The only zebra they ever had in field exhibits in recent history were the Hartmann's zebras, and they were precious few.
 
The WAP didn't actually lose too many African species. The only zebra they ever had in field exhibits in recent history were the Hartmann's zebras, and they were precious few.[/QUOTE]

the san diego wild animal park used to have grevys zebras in the field exhibet but no time in recent history, the reason that didint work is because grevys zebras arent solitary like hartmanns mountain zebras and grevys zebras will pick fights in herds and not solitarily
 
I think that Dallas has a good collection of hoof-stock. Also San Antonio.
My favorite are moose which can be seen at Colorado Springs.
 
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Minnesota Zoo
  • American Bison
  • Bactrian Camel
  • Caribou
  • Domestic Cow (Ayrshire, Brown Swiss, Dutch Belted, Guernsey, Holstein, & Jersey)
  • Domestic Goat (Saanen Dairy Goat, Pygmy, & French-Alpine Dairy Goat)
  • Domestic Horse (American Cream Draft Horse & Percheron)
  • Goitered Gazelle
  • Goral
  • Przewalski's Horse
  • Moose
  • Musk Ox
  • Pronghorn
  • Sheep (Shetland)
  • Takin
  • Tapir (Malayan)
  • Visayan Warty Pig
  • Wild Boar


    **They do own two Giraffes that live in a different facility and they only have them at the zoo during summer months.
 
Sorry about not having a hoofstock list... I do have a question, though.

For subspecies of the Dama gazelle- are there 3 subspecies or 2? I know Mhorr gazelles are the ones that are mostly brown, but what's the difference between Addras and Damas (that is if there are 3 subspecies)?
 
As a species, Nanger dama is known as either the Dama or Addra Gazelle. There are "possibly" three recognized subspecies.

Nanger dama dama - The Dama Gazelle (Extinct - If it was truly a subspecies at all)
Nanger dama ruficollis - The Addra or Red-necked Gazelle (Critically Endangered)
Nanger dama mhorr - The Mhorr Gazelle (Extinct in the Wild)
 
Kudu21 said:
As a species, Nanger dama is known as either the Dama or Addra Gazelle. There are "possibly" three recognized subspecies.

Nanger dama dama - The Dama Gazelle (Extinct - If it was truly a subspecies at all)
Nanger dama ruficollis - The Addra or Red-necked Gazelle (Critically Endangered)
Nanger dama mhorr - The Mhorr Gazelle (Extinct in the Wild)
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So if n. d. dama was a recognized subspecies, what were/are the differences that separate it? Is it physical/genetical differences, or distributional differences?

I know (although I'm not an expert on animal classification) that ruficollis and mhorr are separate subspecies because of their distribution (or former distribution, in mhorr's case), ruficollis being the eastern and mhorr the most western subspecies. Does their coloration have anything to do with them being different subspecies? Just curious. :)
 
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I am not sure why your thread came to my e-mail. I don't know the answer, but I didn't want to be rude. I will say that last week, I went to the Dallas zoo and was happy to zebras and impalas together with the elephants.
 
AnaheimZoo said:
So if n. d. dama was a recognized subspecies, what were/are the differences that separate it? Is it physical/genetical differences, or distributional differences?
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You need both. By default, subspecies can't be sympatric (occur together, except at the very borders of their distribution where they may meet) and subspecies have to differ from each other beyond having different distributions (e.g., have been shown to differ genetically or in appearance).

N. d. dama, the nominal subspecies, is certainly a valid subspecies. If ANY other subspecies is recognised the nominate is ALWAYS valid. The question is if N. d. dama and the very similar N. d. mhorr are separate subspecies or just variations of one subspecies. If only one, the valid name is N. d. dama and the name N. d. mhorr becomes a synonym. N. d. mhorr is said to have a thicker red line on the thighs and a bit more red on the lower flanks than N. d. dama but these differences, if consistent and not just a cline/individual variations, are small. If all three races are recognised as valid it is N. d. mhorr in the west (Morocco to Senegal), N. d. dama in the center (Mali to Chad) and N. d. ruficollis in the east (Chad and perhaps Sudan). If N. d. dama and N. d. mhorr are found to be synonymous, it is N. d. dama in the west and center and N. d. ruficollis in the east. In recent years few biologists have worked in the south Sahara/Sahel and it is a huge region where it is easy to miss a few gazelles but it appears that tiny wild populations remain in Mali (N. d. dama), Niger (N. d. dama) and Chad (N. d. ruficollis). Wild populations may survive in other countries but at present this is unconfirmed. A few countries in the region have semi-wild groups that are the result of reintroductions.

Scroll down for photos of wild N. d. dama in Niger Rapport-missionASS02-09b
 
condor said:
You need both. By default, subspecies can't be sympatric (occur together, except at the very borders of their distribution where they may meet) and subspecies have to differ from each other beyond having different distributions (e.g., have been shown to differ genetically or in appearance).

N. d. dama, the nominal subspecies, is certainly a valid subspecies. If ANY other subspecies is recognised the nominate is ALWAYS valid. The question is if N. d. dama and the very similar N. d. mhorr are separate subspecies or just variations of one subspecies. If only one, the valid name is N. d. dama and the name N. d. mhorr becomes a synonym. N. d. mhorr is said to have a thicker red line on the thighs and a bit more red on the lower flanks than N. d. dama but these differences, if consistent and not just a cline/individual variations, are small. If all three races are recognised as valid it is N. d. mhorr in the west (Morocco to Senegal), N. d. dama in the center (Mali to Chad) and N. d. ruficollis in the east (Chad and perhaps Sudan). If N. d. dama and N. d. mhorr are found to be synonymous, it is N. d. dama in the west and center and N. d. ruficollis in the east. In recent years few biologists have worked in the south Sahara/Sahel and it is a huge region where it is easy to miss a few gazelles but it appears that tiny wild populations remain in Mali (N. d. dama), Niger (N. d. dama) and Chad (N. d. ruficollis). Wild populations may survive in other countries but at present this is unconfirmed. A few countries in the region have semi-wild groups that are the result of reintroductions.

Scroll down for photos of wild N. d. dama in Niger Rapport-missionASS02-09b
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Thank you for explaining this better than I did. It would have helped had I put, "if it's even a subspecies at all," by the right subspecies! I thought I had it next to N.d.mhorr, but apparently I didn't. I attempted to use my iPhone to post that, so it figures that something messed up. I really can't stand browsing the Internet on my phone.
 
condor said:
You need both. By default, subspecies can't be sympatric (occur together, except at the very borders of their distribution where they may meet) and subspecies have to differ from each other beyond having different distributions (e.g., have been shown to differ genetically or in appearance).

N. d. dama, the nominal subspecies, is certainly a valid subspecies. If ANY other subspecies is recognised the nominate is ALWAYS valid. The question is if N. d. dama and the very similar N. d. mhorr are separate subspecies or just variations of one subspecies. If only one, the valid name is N. d. dama and the name N. d. mhorr becomes a synonym. N. d. mhorr is said to have a thicker red line on the thighs and a bit more red on the lower flanks than N. d. dama but these differences, if consistent and not just a cline/individual variations, are small. If all three races are recognised as valid it is N. d. mhorr in the west (Morocco to Senegal), N. d. dama in the center (Mali to Chad) and N. d. ruficollis in the east (Chad and perhaps Sudan). If N. d. dama and N. d. mhorr are found to be synonymous, it is N. d. dama in the west and center and N. d. ruficollis in the east. In recent years few biologists have worked in the south Sahara/Sahel and it is a huge region where it is easy to miss a few gazelles but it appears that tiny wild populations remain in Mali (N. d. dama), Niger (N. d. dama) and Chad (N. d. ruficollis). Wild populations may survive in other countries but at present this is unconfirmed. A few countries in the region have semi-wild groups that are the result of reintroductions.
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Thank you so much for the information, condor. I was really quite confused about that, and when Wikipedia and ultimateungulate don't have much info on the subspecies, then I'm pretty much lost unless I ask someone on this forum. :D
 
Also, condor and/or Kudu21, do N. d. dama and N. d. ruficollis have as drastic color-pattern differences between them as ruficollis and mhorr do? Mhorr gazelles are almost entirely brown, while ruficollis are also known as red-necked, even though the reddish-brown sometimes goes past the shoulder. What color pattern does N. d. dama have?
 
have a look at the link in condor's post, it has some photos of wild N. d. dama
 
jedibiscuits said:
African wild ass
Grevy's zebra
Kiang
Przewalski's wild horse
Onager
White rhino
Black rhino
Greater one-horned rhino
Addax
Impala
Barbary sheep
Springbok
Blackbuck
Gaur
Banteng
Nilgai
Markhor
Nubian ibex (Savanna Safari Africa only)
Black duiker
Yellow-backed duiker
Blue wildebeest
Bontebok/blesbok
Red-fronted gazelle
Thomson's gazelle
Slender-horned gazelle
Goitered gazelle
Roan antelope
Sable antelope
Waterbuck
Kob
Lechwe
Nile lechwe
Gerenuk
Kirk's dik dik
Dama gazelle
Grant's gazelle
Soemmerring's gazelle
Scimitar-horned oryx
Beisa oryx
Gemsbok
Arabian oryx
Mouflon/urial
Steenbok
African buffalo
Giant eland
Common eland
Nyala
Bongo
Sitatunga
Greater kudu
Barbary red deer
Chital
Hog deer
Sika
Pere David's deer
Mule deer (wild)
White-lipped deer
Barasingha
Brow-antlered deer
Sambar deer
Giraffe
Okapi
Warthog
Red river hog

(Asian animals and some others can only be seen on special tours... if you have any particular interests let me know and i can tell you how to see them.)
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Where are the bongos? Also, how do you know this?
 
@ jedibiscuits what happened to the

Chinese water deer
Calamian deer
Tufted deer
Central chinese goral
Japanese serow
Topi
European bison
Javan rusa
Alati wapiti
Himalayan tahr
Siberian ibex
Oribi
British red deer
Central european red deer
Sunda wild boar
Kafue lechwe
malayan tapir

and other hoofstock that got phased out, but if these species still remain at the park how can i get a chance to see them or interact with them

and about the urials is it only transcapsian or do they still have afghan also
and about the blesbok/bontebok they are two different species
and what other ungulate species does the wild animal park no longer have but used to house ?
 
Lisbon´s list is also very good, if you are interested:

Grevy's Zebra
Southern White Rhinoceros
Indian Rhinoceros
Lowland Tapir
Collared Peccary
Western Pygmy Hippopotamus
Common Hippopotamus
Llama
Bactrian Camel
Dromedary Camel
Axis Deer
Reeve's Muntjac
Canadian Wapiti
Myanmar Brow-Antlered Deer
Angolan Giraffe
Okapi
Cape Buffalo
Indian Gaur
Congo Buffalo
American Bison
Addax
Arabian Oryx
Black Sable Antelope
Black-Faced Impala
Cape Eland
Eastern Bongo
Gemsbok
Scimitar-horned oryx
Greater Kudu
Kafue Flats Lechwe
Lowland Nyala
Red Lechwe
Southern Mountain Reedbuck
Western Sitatunga
Blackbuck
Arrui
Black Wildebeest
Blue Wildebeest
Eastern White-Beared Wildebeest
Cape Hartebeest
Bontebok
Ellipsen Waterbuck
Yak
 
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